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Date: 15 May 2007 10:05:24
From: Chris Nelson
Subject: Shifting problems
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So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
only has problems under load.
It has very few miles on it as the previous owner only used it a
couple of times, so I believe it has nothing to do with wear. It has a
mixed set of drivetrain components, which may have something to do
with it.
SRAM 850 11-32 8 Speed Cog
SRAM MRX 8-Speed Twist Shift
Shimano 8 Speed Chain - IG
Shimano Deore 9-speed derailleur
I've lube and cleaned it a bazillion times and I ready to start
replacing stuff in order to get it to shift better, but I'm unsure of
the order that I should replace stuff and what to replace it to.
Chris
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Date: 17 May 2007 18:08:17
From: Chris Nelson
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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On May 17, 12:42 am, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> Chris Nelson wrote:
> > On May 15, 7:21 pm, Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> >> On 15 May 2007 10:05:24 -0700, Chris Nelson wrote:
>
> >>> So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
> >>> some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
> >>> chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
> >>> a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
> >>> on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
> >>> far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
> >>> only has problems under load.
> >> IME a bike which shifts perfectly on the stand but badly under load
> >> has an over-worn chain and/or cluster. Try replacing the chain, but
> >> you'll probably also have to replace the cluster.
>
> >> --
> >> Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
>
> > I just ordered an SRAM PC-68 8SP CHAIN, maybe that will go better with
> > the cog that's on there. Everything else seems to be in order(thanks
> > everyone for the input). If that doesn't do it, I'm thinking of going
> > to all 9-speed stuff instead of the mix that's on there now. This
> > would also allow me to upgrade to higher level components such as XT.
> > The rear hub that is on there is a no name. If it takes an 8-speed
> > cog, should it be able to take a 9-speed cog? Or might I run into a
> > problem there?
>
> Your present equipment can be nine speed, changing only the shifter,
> chain and cassette ( hub and both gear changers are all nine compatible)
> if that turns you on. I suspect from your description there are setup or
> alignment issues, not the number of cogs, at the root of your gear train
> problems.
>
> --
> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
I guess what is bothering me is that the derailleur is a 9 speed, but
the chain, cog and shifter is 8 speed.
I went through your list of stuff to check, and everything seems to be
in order, so I'll have to wait on that new chain and give that a shot.
Chris
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Date: 16 May 2007 21:31:07
From: JeffWills
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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On May 16, 1:42 pm, Chris Nelson <smilin...@hotmail.com > wrote:
If it takes an 8-speed
> cog, should it be able to take a 9-speed cog? Or might I run into a
> problem there?
>
> Chris-
No problem. 8-speed and 9-speed cassettes fit on the same hub without
modification. I'm planning the same conversion soon.
Jeff
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Date: 16 May 2007 14:42:54
From: Chris Nelson
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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On May 15, 7:21 pm, Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au > wrote:
> On 15 May 2007 10:05:24 -0700, Chris Nelson wrote:
>
> > So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
> > some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
> > chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
> > a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
> > on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
> > far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
> > only has problems under load.
>
> IME a bike which shifts perfectly on the stand but badly under load
> has an over-worn chain and/or cluster. Try replacing the chain, but
> you'll probably also have to replace the cluster.
>
> --
> Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
I just ordered an SRAM PC-68 8SP CHAIN, maybe that will go better with
the cog that's on there. Everything else seems to be in order(thanks
everyone for the input). If that doesn't do it, I'm thinking of going
to all 9-speed stuff instead of the mix that's on there now. This
would also allow me to upgrade to higher level components such as XT.
The rear hub that is on there is a no name. If it takes an 8-speed
cog, should it be able to take a 9-speed cog? Or might I run into a
problem there?
Chris
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Date: 16 May 2007 23:42:37
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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Chris Nelson wrote:
> On May 15, 7:21 pm, Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>> On 15 May 2007 10:05:24 -0700, Chris Nelson wrote:
>>
>>> So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
>>> some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
>>> chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
>>> a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
>>> on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
>>> far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
>>> only has problems under load.
>> IME a bike which shifts perfectly on the stand but badly under load
>> has an over-worn chain and/or cluster. Try replacing the chain, but
>> you'll probably also have to replace the cluster.
>>
>> --
>> Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
>
> I just ordered an SRAM PC-68 8SP CHAIN, maybe that will go better with
> the cog that's on there. Everything else seems to be in order(thanks
> everyone for the input). If that doesn't do it, I'm thinking of going
> to all 9-speed stuff instead of the mix that's on there now. This
> would also allow me to upgrade to higher level components such as XT.
> The rear hub that is on there is a no name. If it takes an 8-speed
> cog, should it be able to take a 9-speed cog? Or might I run into a
> problem there?
Your present equipment can be nine speed, changing only the shifter,
chain and cassette ( hub and both gear changers are all nine compatible)
if that turns you on. I suspect from your description there are setup or
alignment issues, not the number of cogs, at the root of your gear train
problems.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 16 May 2007 11:57:55
From: Chris Nelson
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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On May 15, 7:21 pm, Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au > wrote:
> On 15 May 2007 10:05:24 -0700, Chris Nelson wrote:
>
> > So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
> > some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
> > chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
> > a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
> > on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
> > far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
> > only has problems under load.
>
> IME a bike which shifts perfectly on the stand but badly under load
> has an over-worn chain and/or cluster. Try replacing the chain, but
> you'll probably also have to replace the cluster.
>
> --
> Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
I ordered a new chain, its an 8-speed SRAM chain so it may fit the cog
better. Derailleur looks straight, cable is nice a smooth. I guess its
OK that the derailleur is a 9-speed?
If the chain doesn't work out, I'm ready to just get all new 9-speed
MTB stuff, this way I can get higher quality XT level. The hub is a
noname. If the hub fits an 8-speed cog, will it also fit a 9-speed
cog, or will I have a problem there?
Chris
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Date: 16 May 2007 00:25:12
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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In article
<1179248724.508198.163640@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com >,
Chris Nelson <smilin321@hotmail.com > wrote:
> So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
> some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
> chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
> a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
> on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
> far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
> only has problems under load.
>
> It has very few miles on it as the previous owner only used it a
> couple of times, so I believe it has nothing to do with wear. It has a
> mixed set of drivetrain components, which may have something to do
> with it.
>
> SRAM 850 11-32 8 Speed Cog
> SRAM MRX 8-Speed Twist Shift
> Shimano 8 Speed Chain - IG
> Shimano Deore 9-speed derailleur
>
> I've lube and cleaned it a bazillion times and I ready to start
> replacing stuff in order to get it to shift better, but I'm unsure of
> the order that I should replace stuff and what to replace it to.
If it were friction shifting, then you would simply shift and
ride. Since it is indexed shifting, the indexing is out of
registration. QED
You say it is not this and not that, but maybe it really is one of
the things you dismiss. Desperate times, desperate measures. Clean
all the cable points; pull the cable if necessary. Do the shifters
work properly? Is there any shift between a pair of cogwheels that
works properly, or are all of them equally balky?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 May 2007 20:11:32
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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Chris Nelson wrote:
> So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
> some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
> chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
> a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
> on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
> far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
> only has problems under load.
>
> It has very few miles on it as the previous owner only used it a
> couple of times, so I believe it has nothing to do with wear. It has a
> mixed set of drivetrain components, which may have something to do
> with it.
>
> SRAM 850 11-32 8 Speed Cog
> SRAM MRX 8-Speed Twist Shift
> Shimano 8 Speed Chain - IG
> Shimano Deore 9-speed derailleur
>
> I've lube and cleaned it a bazillion times and I ready to start
> replacing stuff in order to get it to shift better, but I'm unsure of
> the order that I should replace stuff and what to replace it to.
Review basic derailleur/ gear train setup. Here's the FAQ:
http://draco.acs.uci.edu/rbfaq/FAQ/index.html
Get you head behind the rear changer. Is it vertical and parallel to the
chainrings? Is the derailleur itself bent or damaged? Pulley screws
tight? Is the chain sufficiently long to shift big-big? Any obvious
damage such as loose wheel bearings or excessive play in the cassette?
Loose lockring? If you think it is all properly set up and undamaged:
Slack or detach gear wire. Set outer limit (H) and inner limit (L)
screws by shifting smartly with your thumb. If you do not have any other
provision as an assistant to stand on the off side, hold the front brake
tight and lift at the saddle.
Once the derailleur limits are set, ensure the gear wire moves freely
and that there are no kinks, frays or other damage (plastic ferrules?)
to the wire or casing. Attach the gear wire such that it is just taut in
high gear. Turn the adjuster(s) so it runs quietly in a middle gear.
Take care to avoid an 'error of one' where the first click does nothing,
second click is first shift, etc.
Those things cover a few common issues; there may be others.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 16 May 2007 08:51:53
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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On 15 May 2007 10:05:24 -0700, Chris Nelson wrote:
> So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
> some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
> chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
> a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
> on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
> far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
> only has problems under load.
IME a bike which shifts perfectly on the stand but badly under load
has an over-worn chain and/or cluster. Try replacing the chain, but
you'll probably also have to replace the cluster.
--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
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Date: 15 May 2007 15:51:25
From: Jay - BFri Commuter
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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"Chris Nelson" <smilin321@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1179248724.508198.163640@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
> some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
> chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
> a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
> on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
> far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
> only has problems under load.
>
> It has very few miles on it as the previous owner only used it a
> couple of times, so I believe it has nothing to do with wear. It has a
> mixed set of drivetrain components, which may have something to do
> with it.
>
> SRAM 850 11-32 8 Speed Cog
> SRAM MRX 8-Speed Twist Shift
> Shimano 8 Speed Chain - IG
> Shimano Deore 9-speed derailleur
>
> I've lube and cleaned it a bazillion times and I ready to start
> replacing stuff in order to get it to shift better, but I'm unsure of
> the order that I should replace stuff and what to replace it to.
>
> Chris
>
Chris,
Everyone in RBT knows more than I do about bikes, so keep that in mind;
Your drive train is very similar to my current bike. I am using a Shimano
11-28 8-speed cassette, which is working great with that shifter.
Since you don't know for sure about the bike history, I would measure the
chain for stretch. (Do previous owners ever tell the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?)
Perhaps the derailleur hanger is bent.
Could also be inner wire friction inside the cable housing.
J.
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Date: 15 May 2007 11:28:26
From: Chris Nelson
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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On May 15, 1:19 pm, "Bill Sornson" <a...@ask.me > wrote:
> Chris Nelson wrote:
> > So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
> > some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
> > chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
> > a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
> > on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
> > far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
> > only has problems under load.
>
> > It has very few miles on it as the previous owner only used it a
> > couple of times, so I believe it has nothing to do with wear. It has a
> > mixed set of drivetrain components, which may have something to do
> > with it.
>
> > SRAM 850 11-32 8 Speed Cog
> > SRAM MRX 8-Speed Twist Shift
> > Shimano 8 Speed Chain - IG
> > Shimano Deore 9-speed derailleur
>
> > I've lube and cleaned it a bazillion times and I ready to start
> > replacing stuff in order to get it to shift better, but I'm unsure of
> > the order that I should replace stuff and what to replace it to.
>
> Sounds like simple cable tension. Turn the barrel adjuster counter
> clockwise a bit?- Hide quoted text -
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I've adusted that lots, there is no g-spot.
Chris
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Date: 15 May 2007 10:19:02
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Shifting problems
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Chris Nelson wrote:
> So I picked up a used tandem (Trek T900) and its a hoot but it has
> some rear shifting problems. More specifically, when shifting the
> chain momentarily sits on top of the cogs before settling in, creating
> a temporary cadence increase. Once shifted, it runs fine. It happens
> on up and downshifts, and I believe to have it adjusted correctly as
> far as indexing, because it shifts flawlessly in the workstand. It
> only has problems under load.
>
> It has very few miles on it as the previous owner only used it a
> couple of times, so I believe it has nothing to do with wear. It has a
> mixed set of drivetrain components, which may have something to do
> with it.
>
> SRAM 850 11-32 8 Speed Cog
> SRAM MRX 8-Speed Twist Shift
> Shimano 8 Speed Chain - IG
> Shimano Deore 9-speed derailleur
>
> I've lube and cleaned it a bazillion times and I ready to start
> replacing stuff in order to get it to shift better, but I'm unsure of
> the order that I should replace stuff and what to replace it to.
Sounds like simple cable tension. Turn the barrel adjuster counter
clockwise a bit?
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