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Date: 24 Jul 2007 01:29:00
From: Fitz
Subject: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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Greetings!
I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
"new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
Thanks to all of you!
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Date: 25 Jul 2007 13:36:53
From: NickP
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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Get a Willow triplizer chainring and use it on your existing crank.
http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/chainrings/130.html#willow. And I'd see how
it goes with the existing BB before bothering to get a longer one. I have an
XTR 950 series crank on a touring bike and it works fine with the 109.5mm
Octalink BB that is intended for a double.
"Fitz" <itzfitz@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1185240540.324500.304830@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Greetings!
>
> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>
> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 16:30:29
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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On Jul 24, 7:57 am, Booker C. Bense <bbense+rec.bicycles.tech.Jul.
24...@telemark.slac.stanford.edu > wrote:
> In article <46a6007c$0$32115$426a7...@news.free.fr>,
>
> Sandy <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
> >Dans le message denews:1185280346.866809.6360@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
>
> >Just reading, with no Shimano experience, but why do they bother to make a
> >lever for two rings? It seems they could get away with just one lever, the
> >triple, and let stop screws handle the gaps. No?
>
> Maybe they could, but they don't. My limited experience with STI
> front shifting is that the whole thing is very sensitive to
> slight changes. The stop screw solution may tweak the balance.
>
> _ Booker C. Bense
Except yoiu can use a 77/7803 and 65/6603 on a double just fine and
dandy.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 16:29:37
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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On Jul 24, 7:37 am, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:1185280346.866809.6360@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.co=
m,
> Qui si parla Campagnolo <pe...@vecchios.com> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et puis a d=
=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
> > On Jul 23, 7:29 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Greetings!
>
> >> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>
> >> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
> >> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
> >> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
> >> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
> >> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
> >> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
>
> >> Thanks to all of you!
>
> > Whether or not you are getting screwed, make sure your left STI is
> > triple compatible..thery made a double only version. Should say so on
> > the left STI lever. BUT but a 6503 crank, FD, RD and 105 118mm BB, go
> > ride.
>
> Just reading, with no Shimano experience, but why do they bother to make a
> lever for two rings? It seems they could get away with just one lever, t=
he
> triple, and let stop screws handle the gaps. No?
I've wondered that for a while..Still they make 7800 and 6600 for
doubles only..more racey, I guess but as Sheldon once told me and it's
true, of course, shift a triple, shift a double..
> --
> Bonne route !
>
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 13:16:45
From:
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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On Jul 23, 9:29 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>
> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
>
> Thanks to all of you!
I bought an Ultegra Triple nine speed Octalink and couldn't find a
BB6500 68 x 118.5 so I went with a 105 BB (BB5500 I believe.)
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 12:32:26
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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On Jul 23, 7:29 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>
> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
>
> Thanks to all of you!
Whether or not you are getting screwed, make sure your left STI is
triple compatible..thery made a double only version. Should say so on
the left STI lever. BUT but a 6503 crank, FD, RD and 105 118mm BB, go
ride.
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 15:37:00
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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Dans le message de news:1185280346.866809.6360@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
Qui si parla Campagnolo <peter@vecchios.com > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On Jul 23, 7:29 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Greetings!
>>
>> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>>
>> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
>> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
>> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
>> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
>> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
>> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
>>
>> Thanks to all of you!
>
> Whether or not you are getting screwed, make sure your left STI is
> triple compatible..thery made a double only version. Should say so on
> the left STI lever. BUT but a 6503 crank, FD, RD and 105 118mm BB, go
> ride.
Just reading, with no Shimano experience, but why do they bother to make a
lever for two rings? It seems they could get away with just one lever, the
triple, and let stop screws handle the gaps. No?
--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 13:57:49
From: Booker C. Bense
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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In article <46a6007c$0$32115$426a74cc@news.free.fr >,
Sandy <leurre@frree.fr > wrote:
>Dans le message de news:1185280346.866809.6360@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com,
>
>Just reading, with no Shimano experience, but why do they bother to make a
>lever for two rings? It seems they could get away with just one lever, the
>triple, and let stop screws handle the gaps. No?
>
Maybe they could, but they don't. My limited experience with STI
front shifting is that the whole thing is very sensitive to
slight changes. The stop screw solution may tweak the balance.
_ Booker C. Bense
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 00:44:51
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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Fitz wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>
> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
Screwed??
There are a wealth of triple cranks from the truly miserable at $29 to
some pretty nice equipment at $100 to $200. Sugino XD Pro, Campagnolo
Centaur, etc etc.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 21:53:21
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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Fitz wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>
> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
>
> Thanks to all of you!
>
stop being a victim.
the remedy is quite simple:
1. get ass on bike.
2. do the miles.
3. don't need triple.
d-a triples are ridiculous.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 21:30:32
From: JeffWills
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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On Jul 23, 5:29 pm, Fitz <itzf...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Greetings!
>
> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>
> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
>
> Thanks to all of you!
Convert your Dura-Ace crankset to a triple with a TA Tripleizer
chainring (http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/chainrings.asp and scroll
down most of the way). OTOH, that one chainring costs as much as the
"on sale" Ultegra crank.
You'll have to get a longer BB, but a 105 will fit and it's still
available in an English triple.
Jeff
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:40:21
From: JG
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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Yeah, it's pretty annoying. They seem to be following the Japanese
car manufactures strategy - keep inserting new groups in at the
bottom, while bumping up the existing groups every 3 years to silly
levels.
You can buy a Shimano 105 triple BB and since they are basically use
and dispose, you might as well.
You probably want a new front derailleur, as they are engineered to
match the chainring options, and you may need more chain wrap in the
back. I don't know about brifters because I run barcons.
You might also want to look at Campy, as they have decided to split
their triple out and keep using standard square taper BB's. They look
pretty nice, and you can mix and match unless Shimano has managed to
"improve" the front shifter out of compatibility...
If you are racing you probably want to look at a compact, otherwise
the middle ring makes the front shift a little less noisome and you
can get a bit more range while keeping the jumps reasonable.
JG
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Date: 24 Jul 2007 05:46:25
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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In article
<1185248421.773979.207990@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com >
,
JG <jchg@cox.net > wrote:
> Yeah, it's pretty annoying. They seem to be following the Japanese
> car manufactures strategy - keep inserting new groups in at the
> bottom, while bumping up the existing groups every 3 years to silly
> levels.
>
> You can buy a Shimano 105 triple BB and since they are basically use
> and dispose, you might as well.
>
> You probably want a new front derailleur, as they are engineered to
> match the chainring options, and you may need more chain wrap in the
> back. I don't know about brifters because I run barcons.
>
> You might also want to look at Campy, as they have decided to split
> their triple out and keep using standard square taper BB's. They look
> pretty nice, and you can mix and match unless Shimano has managed to
> "improve" the front shifter out of compatibility...
>
> If you are racing you probably want to look at a compact, otherwise
> the middle ring makes the front shift a little less noisome and you
> can get a bit more range while keeping the jumps reasonable.
Probably `noisome' does not mean what you think it means.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:57:20
From: BobT
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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"Fitz" <itzfitz@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1185240540.324500.304830@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Greetings!
>
> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>
> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
>
> Thanks to all of you!
>
Did you think that you could convert from double to triple chainrings
without buying a new crankset and bottom bracket? Depending on your setup,
you will probably also need new front and rear derailleurs and a new front
shifter.
If you had Campagnolo, SRAM, or anybody else's double setup, would it be
cheaper to change from a double to triple drive train? Check out the Record
triple crank prices.
There are many suppliers of bottom brackets and cranksets. If you want to
buy a Shimano octalink crankset from Nashbar, Harris Cyclery (and probably
many others) has the Shimano 118.5 spindle octalink bottom brackets.
BobT
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 20:59:25
From: Carl Sundquist
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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"BobT" <RobertLeeTaylorCUT@THISSuddenLink.net > wrote in message
news:46a55c5f$0$8834$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net...
> "Fitz" <itzfitz@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1185240540.324500.304830@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>> Greetings!
>>
>> I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>>
>> I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
>> Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
>> an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
>> BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
>> "new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
>> bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
>>
>> Thanks to all of you!
>>
> Did you think that you could convert from double to triple chainrings
> without buying a new crankset and bottom bracket? Depending on your
> setup, you will probably also need new front and rear derailleurs and a
> new front shifter.
>
> If you had Campagnolo, SRAM, or anybody else's double setup, would it be
> cheaper to change from a double to triple drive train? Check out the
> Record triple crank prices.
>
> There are many suppliers of bottom brackets and cranksets. If you want to
> buy a Shimano octalink crankset from Nashbar, Harris Cyclery (and probably
> many others) has the Shimano 118.5 spindle octalink bottom brackets.
>
Consider a compact crank.
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Date: 23 Jul 2007 21:38:58
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: Shimano Triple Crankset - Your Advice Is Appreciated!
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On Tue, 24 Jul 2007 01:29:00 -0000, Fitz <itzfitz@gmail.com > wrote:
>Greetings!
>
>I'm pissed. I am the only one who feels screwed over as a consumer?
>
>I want to convert my Dura-Ace double to an Ultegra triple. However,
>Shimano (and it's built-in obsolescence) is forcing me to buy either
>an "old" triple (Nashbar has one for $75.00 but no longer offer the
>BB6500 68 x 118.5 bottom bracket); OR pony up over $260.00 for the
>"new" crankset and an additional $35.00 for the proprietary bottom
>bracket cups). What are my options for a triple conversion?
I dont' understand how they are screwing you. You want to buy
something you don't have, and have choices of what to buy. Where's
the screwing?
--
JT
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