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Date: 25 Sep 2007 11:43:54
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Subject: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
$30
Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
utility?
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 18:00:10
From: Duncan Smith
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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On Sep 27, 5:30 pm, bbe...@telemark.slac.stanford.edu (Booker Bense)
wrote:
> In article <1190876509.999829.276...@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com>,
> Duncan Smith <DSmith1...@googlemail.com> wrote:
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> >> OK but this softshell is a jacket for upper body
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> >> The price is excellent at Costco
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> >Then it would let in water, and unless you want to get wet would be
> >better off with a Gore-Tex hard shell.
>
> That has not been my experience at all. Any goretex shell I've
> tried simply does not breathe well enough to prevent me getting
> soaked in my own sweat. If I ride in the rain I'm going to get
> wet, in a soft shell I'm wet, but warm and comfortable. In a
> goretex shell, I'm uncomfortably hot on the uphills and freezing
> on the down hills.
>
> If it's an absolute downpour, then goretex is probably the least
> worst solution. If it's an all day off/on rain, then softshells
> work much better for me. Plus a softshell is usable when it
> isn't raining, for me goretex jackets aren't.
>
> _ Booker C. Bense
I was thinking of winter use when it's close to or below zero, so the
sweating hopefully is less of an issue. Perhaps I'll try a softshell
when it's a tad warmer and see how it goes..
Regards,
Duncan
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 07:01:49
From: Duncan Smith
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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> OK but this softshell is a jacket for upper body
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> The price is excellent at Costco
Then it would let in water, and unless you want to get wet would be
better off with a Gore-Tex hard shell.
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Date: 27 Sep 2007 16:30:33
From: Booker Bense
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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In article <1190876509.999829.276890@22g2000hsm.googlegroups.com >,
Duncan Smith <DSmith1974@googlemail.com > wrote:
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>> OK but this softshell is a jacket for upper body
>>
>> The price is excellent at Costco
>
>Then it would let in water, and unless you want to get wet would be
>better off with a Gore-Tex hard shell.
>
That has not been my experience at all. Any goretex shell I've
tried simply does not breathe well enough to prevent me getting
soaked in my own sweat. If I ride in the rain I'm going to get
wet, in a soft shell I'm wet, but warm and comfortable. In a
goretex shell, I'm uncomfortably hot on the uphills and freezing
on the down hills.
If it's an absolute downpour, then goretex is probably the least
worst solution. If it's an all day off/on rain, then softshells
work much better for me. Plus a softshell is usable when it
isn't raining, for me goretex jackets aren't.
_ Booker C. Bense
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 21:21:45
From: vey
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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me@privacy.net wrote:
> Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
> $30
>
> Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
> thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
> utility?
I myself have found that hardshells survive a 2 mile bumpy basket ride
better than softshells. All the hardshells survived.
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 19:32:22
From: Booker Bense
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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In article <hjeif3592usna3q227a0ga4cnt6mvq41q9@4ax.com >,
<me@privacy.net > wrote:
>Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
>$30
>
>Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
>thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
>utility?
I like mine a lot. I wear a Cloudveil lightweight
jacket in all weathers. It won't keep you dry, but
I've never been dry in any jacket. Waterproof
breathables have never worked well for me, I get
soaked in sweat when active and chilled when I
stop/descend.
I am warm and comfortable in a much wider range of
weather with a softshell than any goretex jacket.
Softshell gets thrown around a lot these days and
there is quite a difference in the various fabrics
called softshell. I like Schoeller dynamic.
_ Booker C. Bense
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 15:21:26
From:
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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>Softshell gets thrown around a lot these days and
>there is quite a difference in the various fabrics
>called softshell. I like Schoeller dynamic.
Ok well this one at Costco is a Black Diamond brand.
Price was abt $30
So maybe its not a great one but will try it anyway
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 13:30:36
From:
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 11:43:54 -0500, me@privacy.net wrote:
>Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
>$30
>
>Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
>thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
>utility?
Dear M,
Hardshells are unquestionably safer than softshells.
A typical hardshell next to an 18" ruler:
http://i13.tinypic.com/53sdipy.jpg
A typical softshell:
http://gf.state.wy.us/fish/AAC/images/herpefauna2.jpg
I kept both as pets for several years and found that the hardshells
tamed down within a day, accepting handling with admirable calmness.
In contrast, the softshells _never_ accepted handling, invariably
doing their best to bite you.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 18:20:12
From: Duncan Smith
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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>
> Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
> thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
> utility?
A softshell can be good for rainpants to go over your normal bib/
tights. Benefits over a hardshell can be stretchy maneuverability
(important on the legs) and wicking/breathable properties - also
lighter and quick drying. Don't know that I'd fancy a softshell for
the upper body though, just the legs to keep the steady drip of water
out of the boots, etc.
If you do get a softshell, you can help maintain (and even improve)
the base level of waterproofness by washing them with some Nikwax
(for e.g.) softshell treatment.
Regards,
Duncan
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 14:12:23
From:
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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>Don't know that I'd fancy a softshell for
>the upper body though, just the legs to keep the steady drip of water
>out of the boots, etc.
OK but this softshell is a jacket for upper body
The price is excellent at Costco
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 10:30:07
From: Nate Knutson
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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On Sep 25, 9:43 am, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
> $30
>
> Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
> thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
> utility?
It depends completely on where you are and what kind of riding you do.
For people whose riding and/or climate means they only have to deal
with wimpy rain at most, they probably are better in general.
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 14:11:15
From:
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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>> Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
>> thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
>> utility?
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>It depends completely on where you are and what kind of riding you do.
Am in north Missouri
Typical 4 season climate.... cold winters and hot/humid
summers
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 17:20:24
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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On Sep 25, 11:47 am, "joseph.santanie...@gmail.com"
<joseph.santanie...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 25, 6:43 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>
> > Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
> > $30
>
> > Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
> > thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
> > utility?
>
> Umm. What are you talking about?
>
http://www.wisdomking.com/product125155c220071.html
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 23:19:15
From: Dan Becker
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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In article <1190740824.326888.193450@y42g2000hsy.googlegroups.com >,
landotter <landotter@gmail.com > wrote:
> http://www.wisdomking.com/product125155c220071.html
That poor model. The ignominy of it all.... And she isn't trying to
hide it one bit.
Dan
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 09:57:44
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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me@privacy.net wrote:
> Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
> $30
>
> Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
> thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
> utility?
Dipped in butter?
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 09:47:18
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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On Sep 25, 6:43 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
> Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
> $30
>
> Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
> thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
> utility?
Umm. What are you talking about?
Joseph
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Date: 01 Oct 2007 19:36:09
From: Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Global Warming Edition ®
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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<joseph.santaniello@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1190738838.663887.3970@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 25, 6:43 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>> Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
>> $30
>>
>> Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
>> thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
>> utility?
>
> Umm. What are you talking about?
>
> Joseph
>
Tacos, obviously.
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 20:04:14
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sep 25, 6:43 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>> Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
>> $30
>>
>> Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
>> thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
>> utility?
>
> Umm. What are you talking about?
Crabs.
--
David L. Johnson
Some people used to claim that, if enough monkeys sat in front of
enough typewriters and typed long enough, eventually one of them would
reproduce the collected works of Shakespeare. The internet has
proven this not to be the case.
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Date: 25 Sep 2007 16:12:30
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Softshells or hardshells for cycling?
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> On Sep 25, 6:43 pm, m...@privacy.net wrote:
>> Costco has the Black Diamond softshell on sale for abt
>> $30
>> Have never owned a softshell and wonder if its good
>> thing for cycling or if hardshells still better
>> utility?
joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote:
> Umm. What are you talking about?
Soft shell crabs are late in May as I recall.
Helmets in LBS are $30, nice BMX 'hard' type or 'road' type, major
brands. Based on that, I'd expect X-Mart oughta be $3.99 or so for a
copy with a fake CPSC label ....
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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