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Date: 06 Aug 2007 08:23:25
From: VeloJon
Subject: Spoke count
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I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be reasonable?
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 12:02:31
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 3:04 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote: > > On Aug 6, 9:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > >> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > >> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > >> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > >> Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > >> pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > >> reasonable? > > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote: > > > Sure..I have done that for special event wheels on a guy about your > > weight. if true 'bladed, may have to slot the hubs. > > > I used 24-2 cross fron, Revolution spokes on a DT hub and Velocity > > Aerohead rim. Rear was 28-3 cross, DT hub, 14/15 right side and > > Revolutions left side...on a Velocity Aerohead OC rim. Weighed about > > 1475 grams..about $750. If you are going to use oval spokes, like > > Aerospeeds from DT, remember these are really thin and may not be OK > > for the right side rear..OK for the front and left side rear tho. > > Pricey too.. > > Do you believe aero spokes on a rear wheel, behind turbulence of legs > and bike, do anything much? > -- > Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org > Open every day since 1 April, 1971 No of course not but the guy was asking about bladed type spokes and ovals for non slotted hubs. I haven't built but maybe 2 or 3 rear wheels with bladed spokes this year. Never with oval. Too expensive, too thin, for what ya get.
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Date: 08 Aug 2007 01:56:29
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 8:19 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman" <sunsetss0...@invailid.com > wrote: > Andrew Muzi wrote: > >> On Aug 6, 9:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > >>> Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > >>> pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > >>> reasonable? > > > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote: > >> Sure..I have done that for special event wheels on a guy about your > >> weight. if true 'bladed, may have to slot the hubs. > > >> I used 24-2 cross fron, Revolution spokes on a DT hub and Velocity > >> Aerohead rim. Rear was 28-3 cross, DT hub, 14/15 right side and > >> Revolutions left side...on a Velocity Aerohead OC rim. Weighed about > >> 1475 grams..about $750. If you are going to use oval spokes, like > >> Aerospeeds from DT, remember these are really thin and may not be OK > >> for the right side rear..OK for the front and left side rear tho. > >> Pricey too.. > > > Do you believe aero spokes on a rear wheel, behind turbulence of legs > > and bike, do anything much? > > Heck, just buy a cheap roll of clear packing tape and cover the spokes > to make a disc wheel! > > I once road with a guy who did exactly that. > > -- > Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia > The weather is here, wish you were beautiful > > -- > Posted via a free Usenet account fromhttp://www.teranews.com- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - cover the spokes with 8 spaced sections dayglo poster paper with air space be tween so the color pulses as you ride. good for ATL!
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 21:35:23
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 5:04 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote: > > On Aug 6, 9:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > >> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > >> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > >> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > >> Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > >> pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > >> reasonable? > > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote: > > > Sure..I have done that for special event wheels on a guy about your > > weight. if true 'bladed, may have to slot the hubs. > > > I used 24-2 cross fron, Revolution spokes on a DT hub and Velocity > > Aerohead rim. Rear was 28-3 cross, DT hub, 14/15 right side and > > Revolutions left side...on a Velocity Aerohead OC rim. Weighed about > > 1475 grams..about $750. If you are going to use oval spokes, like > > Aerospeeds from DT, remember these are really thin and may not be OK > > for the right side rear..OK for the front and left side rear tho. > > Pricey too.. > > Do you believe aero spokes on a rear wheel, behind turbulence of legs > and bike, do anything much? > -- > Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org > Open every day since 1 April, 1971 sure! creates less turbulence. in fact, ifn yawl cycle in sidewinds then the spokes are mounted...
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 21:25:26
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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HOLY SMELTER 72 spokes? per wheel? while not in the act of acquiring exotic cycle parts, my recent purchase of 2! $11 triple cranksets and a $15 rear deray notwithstanding, I savor the occasional viewing of $600 wheelsets insitu. They wait. they pose. they puff. I say. wow. lookit that. I count uno dos tres....whatzit? whatever they're doin', boulevard, serious mitty workouts, GP fanatsy, I never find, asking questions of it, a hands on this is an owner built and/or maintained wheelset! butbutbut when I spoke of it with the LBS, the LBS slaps his head and sez ah Madrone or MF or ...
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 19:17:35
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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datakoll aka gene daniels wrote: > HOLY SMELTER 72 spokes? per wheel? Hey, I have two (2) bicycles with 36-spoke ISO 305-mm (12-inch) wheels! Ain't no squirrel fittin' in there no how. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 12:41:45
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 8:44 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Aug 7, 1:10 pm, Ozark Bicycle > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote: > > On Aug 7, 11:07 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 7, 7:22 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" > > > > <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 6, 11:44 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > > > > > >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > > > > > >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > > > > > >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > > > > > >>> Aerohead > > > > > > landotter wrote: > > > > > >> Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > > > > > >> can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > > > > > >> will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > > > > > >> a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > > > > > >> 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. > > > > > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > > > > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > > > > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > > > > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > > > > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > > > > > in Atlanta. > > > > > > I wonder? > > > > > > -- > > > > > Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org > > > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971 > > > > > We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes > > > > indeed..the new 'cruiser'... > > > > Setting up a bike with a bar saddle relationship that puts your ass up > > > in the air like a horny baboon should prove to be an effective way to > > > "cruise" some parts of town, for sure.- > > > Should they call the bike 'Midnight Cowboy'? ;-) > > Are you thinking what I'm thinking?...Leather fringe top tube pad for > the deluxe "Voight" model. Dude, don't give anybody any ideas! Joseph
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 12:23:04
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 1:44 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Aug 7, 1:10 pm, Ozark Bicycle > > > > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote: > > On Aug 7, 11:07 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 7, 7:22 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" > > > > <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 6, 11:44 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > > > > > > >> On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > > > > > >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > > > > > >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > > > > > >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > > > > > >>> Aerohead > > > > > > landotter wrote: > > > > > >> Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > > > > > >> can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > > > > > >> will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > > > > > >> a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > > > > > >> 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. > > > > > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > > > > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > > > > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > > > > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > > > > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > > > > > in Atlanta. > > > > > > I wonder? > > > > > > -- > > > > > Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org > > > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971 > > > > > We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes > > > > indeed..the new 'cruiser'... > > > > Setting up a bike with a bar saddle relationship that puts your ass up > > > in the air like a horny baboon should prove to be an effective way to > > > "cruise" some parts of town, for sure.- > > > Should they call the bike 'Midnight Cowboy'? ;-) > > Are you thinking what I'm thinking?...Leather fringe top tube pad for > the deluxe "Voight" model.- Bingo!
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 19:18:47
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 1:45 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote: > In article > <1186506989.535733.223...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> > , > > > > landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Aug 7, 12:13 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote: > > > In article > > > <1186489328.796101.55...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > > "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" > > > > > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > > > > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > > > > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > > > > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > > > > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > > > > > in Atlanta. > > > > > > I wonder? > > > > > We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes > > > > indeed..the new 'cruiser'... > > > > Now we know that contrary to appearances the wheels will last. > > > They're still incomplete without organ music and a monkey > > Do you have a license for that minkey? http://minkeynet.net/
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 18:44:59
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 1:10 pm, Ozark Bicycle <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote: > On Aug 7, 11:07 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 7, 7:22 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" > > > <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote: > > > On Aug 6, 11:44 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > > > > > >> On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > > >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > > > > >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > > > > >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > > > > >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > > > > >>> Aerohead > > > > > landotter wrote: > > > > >> Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > > > > >> can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > > > > >> will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > > > > >> a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > > > > >> 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. > > > > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > > > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > > > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > > > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > > > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > > > > in Atlanta. > > > > > I wonder? > > > > > -- > > > > Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org > > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971 > > > > We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes > > > indeed..the new 'cruiser'... > > > Setting up a bike with a bar saddle relationship that puts your ass up > > in the air like a horny baboon should prove to be an effective way to > > "cruise" some parts of town, for sure.- > > Should they call the bike 'Midnight Cowboy'? ;-) Are you thinking what I'm thinking?...Leather fringe top tube pad for the deluxe "Voight" model.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 11:10:56
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 11:07 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote: > On Aug 7, 7:22 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" > > > > > > <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote: > > On Aug 6, 11:44 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > > > > >> On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > > > >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > > > >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > > > >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > > > >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > > > >>> Aerohead > > > > landotter wrote: > > > >> Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > > > >> can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > > > >> will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > > > >> a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > > > >> 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. > > > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > > > in Atlanta. > > > > I wonder? > > > > -- > > > Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org > > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971 > > > We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes > > indeed..the new 'cruiser'... > > Setting up a bike with a bar saddle relationship that puts your ass up > in the air like a horny baboon should prove to be an effective way to > "cruise" some parts of town, for sure.- Should they call the bike 'Midnight Cowboy'? ;-)
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 17:16:29
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 12:13 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote: > In article > <1186489328.796101.55...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" > > > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > > > in Atlanta. > > > > I wonder? > > > We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes > > indeed..the new 'cruiser'... > > Now we know that contrary to appearances the wheels will last. > They're still incomplete without organ music and a monkey
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 11:45:50
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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In article <1186506989.535733.223850@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com > , landotter <landotter@gmail.com > wrote: > On Aug 7, 12:13 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote: > > In article > > <1186489328.796101.55...@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, > > "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" > > > > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > > > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > > > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > > > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > > > > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > > > > in Atlanta. > > > > > > I wonder? > > > > > We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes > > > indeed..the new 'cruiser'... > > > > Now we know that contrary to appearances the wheels will last. > > > They're still incomplete without organ music and a monkey Do you have a license for that minkey? -- Michael Press
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 16:07:22
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 7:22 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com > wrote: > On Aug 6, 11:44 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > > > > > >> On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > > >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > > >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > > >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > > >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > > >>> Aerohead > > > landotter wrote: > > >> Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > > >> can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > > >> will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > > >> a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > > >> 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. > > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > > in Atlanta. > > > I wonder? > > > -- > > Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org > > Open every day since 1 April, 1971 > > We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes > indeed..the new 'cruiser'... Setting up a bike with a bar saddle relationship that puts your ass up in the air like a horny baboon should prove to be an effective way to "cruise" some parts of town, for sure.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 19:12:28
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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landotter? wrote: > > Setting up a bike with a bar saddle relationship that puts your ass up > in the air like a horny baboon should prove to be an effective way to > "cruise" some parts of town, for sure. The only thing the people behind me see is the back of my head (or my Magic Foam Hat [TM] when I choose to wear it). :) It does take some getting used to to ride in a group when you can not tell when the riders in front are pedaling or not. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 12:45:40
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 7, 6:42 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote: > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote: > > > > > On Aug 6, 8:56 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote: > >> VeloJon wrote: > >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > >>> Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > >>> pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > >>> reasonable? > >> of course. look at the spoke counts on mavic cosmos wheels, mavic > >> ksyrium wheels, shimano wheels, etc. avoid super-skinny spokes and all > >> will be well. do not over-tension. > > > But also look at the weights of these rims. Not Aerohead light..no > > such thing as a free lunch. > > dude, the mavic cosmos rim is just like the open pro. it's 24 spoke. > it handles my lardy ass no problem. thank you. dude, compared to an Aerohead the ones mentioned are all heavier...
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 06:20:40
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote: > On Aug 7, 6:42 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote: >> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote: >> >> >> >>> On Aug 6, 8:56 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote: >>>> VeloJon wrote: >>>>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- >>>>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with >>>>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light >>>>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity >>>>> Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without >>>>> pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be >>>>> reasonable? >>>> of course. look at the spoke counts on mavic cosmos wheels, mavic >>>> ksyrium wheels, shimano wheels, etc. avoid super-skinny spokes and all >>>> will be well. do not over-tension. >>> But also look at the weights of these rims. Not Aerohead light..no >>> such thing as a free lunch. >> dude, the mavic cosmos rim is just like the open pro. it's 24 spoke. >> it handles my lardy ass no problem. thank you. > > dude, compared to an Aerohead the ones mentioned are all heavier... > so they can handle fewer spokes.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 12:24:20
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 6, 11:50 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote: > VeloJon wrote: > > I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > > cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > > fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > > racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > > Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > > pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > > reasonable? > > I wasted a chunk of Monday replacing six spokes in a crashed Eurus > (7+14) rear, ending with a hop midway between spoke groups. I had a rear that the customer threw the RD into the spokes on a Eurus..$154 in spokes and 3 hours to relace...Rdiculous!! Why I added 'Tullio' and 1901-1983 to my Campagnolo tattoo...Valentino has gone round the bend with gadgets. > > OTOH I rode my ancient 32h front with a broken spoke for ten days until > I had time to repair it - brake didn't rub but the noise of a flailing > spoke was annoying. > > 48 spokes may be overkill but 32 is a fine and durable spoke count for > medium weight (150lb) riders IMHO. Yes, you can build down to 24 or even > 16 with available components but why??? > -- > Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org > Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 12:22:08
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 6, 11:44 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote: > >> On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > >>> Aerohead > > landotter wrote: > >> Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > >> can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > >> will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > >> a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > >> 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > in Atlanta. > > I wonder? > > -- > Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org > Open every day since 1 April, 1971 We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes indeed..the new 'cruiser'...
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 10:13:54
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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In article <1186489328.796101.55790@i13g2000prf.googlegroups.com >, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote: > On Aug 6, 11:44 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote: > > >> On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > > >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > > >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > > >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > > >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > > >>> Aerohead > > > landotter wrote: > > >> Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > > >> can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > > >> will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > > >> a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > > >> 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. > > Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > > > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > >http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > > > > Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer > > in Atlanta. > > > > I wonder? > > We did some pink, white and even a brown set...circus bikes > indeed..the new 'cruiser'... Now we know that contrary to appearances the wheels will last. -- Michael Press
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 12:21:22
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 6, 8:56 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote: > VeloJon wrote: > > I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > > cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > > fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > > racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > > Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > > pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > > reasonable? > > of course. look at the spoke counts on mavic cosmos wheels, mavic > ksyrium wheels, shimano wheels, etc. avoid super-skinny spokes and all > will be well. do not over-tension. But also look at the weights of these rims. Not Aerohead light..no such thing as a free lunch.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 05:42:18
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote: > On Aug 6, 8:56 pm, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote: >> VeloJon wrote: >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity >>> Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without >>> pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be >>> reasonable? >> of course. look at the spoke counts on mavic cosmos wheels, mavic >> ksyrium wheels, shimano wheels, etc. avoid super-skinny spokes and all >> will be well. do not over-tension. > > But also look at the weights of these rims. Not Aerohead light..no > such thing as a free lunch. > dude, the mavic cosmos rim is just like the open pro. it's 24 spoke. it handles my lardy ass no problem. thank you.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 12:19:26
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 6, 9:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net > wrote: > I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > reasonable? Sure..I have done that for special event wheels on a guy about your weight. if true 'bladed, may have to slot the hubs. I used 24-2 cross fron, Revolution spokes on a DT hub and Velocity Aerohead rim. Rear was 28-3 cross, DT hub, 14/15 right side and Revolutions left side...on a Velocity Aerohead OC rim. Weighed about 1475 grams..about $750. If you are going to use oval spokes, like Aerospeeds from DT, remember these are really thin and may not be OK for the right side rear..OK for the front and left side rear tho. Pricey too..
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 16:04:13
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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> On Aug 6, 9:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: >> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- >> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with >> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light >> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity >> Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without >> pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be >> reasonable? > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote: > Sure..I have done that for special event wheels on a guy about your > weight. if true 'bladed, may have to slot the hubs. > > I used 24-2 cross fron, Revolution spokes on a DT hub and Velocity > Aerohead rim. Rear was 28-3 cross, DT hub, 14/15 right side and > Revolutions left side...on a Velocity Aerohead OC rim. Weighed about > 1475 grams..about $750. If you are going to use oval spokes, like > Aerospeeds from DT, remember these are really thin and may not be OK > for the right side rear..OK for the front and left side rear tho. > Pricey too.. Do you believe aero spokes on a rear wheel, behind turbulence of legs and bike, do anything much? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 19:19:34
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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Andrew Muzi wrote: >> On Aug 6, 9:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity >>> Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without >>> pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be >>> reasonable? >> > Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote: >> Sure..I have done that for special event wheels on a guy about your >> weight. if true 'bladed, may have to slot the hubs. >> >> I used 24-2 cross fron, Revolution spokes on a DT hub and Velocity >> Aerohead rim. Rear was 28-3 cross, DT hub, 14/15 right side and >> Revolutions left side...on a Velocity Aerohead OC rim. Weighed about >> 1475 grams..about $750. If you are going to use oval spokes, like >> Aerospeeds from DT, remember these are really thin and may not be OK >> for the right side rear..OK for the front and left side rear tho. >> Pricey too.. > > Do you believe aero spokes on a rear wheel, behind turbulence of legs > and bike, do anything much? Heck, just buy a cheap roll of clear packing tape and cover the spokes to make a disc wheel! I once road with a guy who did exactly that. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 07:01:40
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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VeloJon wrote: > > I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > racing use, just some extra bling. You know, for bling it's hard to beat 72 spoke wheels. I had a special run of 72 hole Velocity Deep-Vs made for me, and one of my friends laced up a pair with DT Revolution 15/17ga spokes, 3 leading 3 trailing pattern. Two whole boxes of spokes! We modified a SRAM Spectro 7 gearhub with drum brake and an American Classic disc front hub with 36 holes per flange. He put them on his 63cm pink Colnago. He weighed about 135 lbs, so he could probably have gotten by with fewer than 72 spokes per wheel. Chalo
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 23:10:53
From: Ron Ruff
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 6, 9:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net > wrote: > With a basic rim like a Velocity > Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > reasonable? Plenty of Nio30s (same profile as Deep V but 120g lighter) with CX- Rays (very light oval spoke) holding up 160 lb riders with only 18f and 24r... me included. They aren't babied either. With a shallow and light rim like the Aerohead you'd want 24f and 28r I think.
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 00:50:39
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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VeloJon wrote: > I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > reasonable? I wasted a chunk of Monday replacing six spokes in a crashed Eurus (7+14) rear, ending with a hop midway between spoke groups. OTOH I rode my ancient 32h front with a broken spoke for ten days until I had time to repair it - brake didn't rub but the noise of a flailing spoke was annoying. 48 spokes may be overkill but 32 is a fine and durable spoke count for medium weight (150lb) riders IMHO. Yes, you can build down to 24 or even 16 with available components but why??? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 19:56:31
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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VeloJon wrote: > I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > reasonable? > of course. look at the spoke counts on mavic cosmos wheels, mavic ksyrium wheels, shimano wheels, etc. avoid super-skinny spokes and all will be well. do not over-tension.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 19:38:56
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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VeloJon aka Jon Prestley wrote: > I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > pushing the envelope? Citroën Monospoke wheel-set is what you want: <http://sheldonbrown.com/nanodrive/bianchi-quarter.jpg >. -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 17:52:33
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 6, 11:33 am, Paul Myron Hobson <phob...@gatech.edu > wrote: > > On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > >> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > >> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > >> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > >> Aerohead > landotter wrote: > > Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > > can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > > will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > > a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > > 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg > I think I saw at least two of the bikes when I visited this spring. Thing is, the fewer spokes, the deeper/stronger the rim needs to be. Stick with silver or black. A look around shows the DA28s only available in 32 drillings. Still, a set of those can be built up with some Revolutions or Laser spokes on your choice of hubs for cheap, and should be stupid strong. My spreadsheet gives 1750g as a guessed weight with brass nips and Ultegra hubs. $250 to build or so if you get hubs on sale. Basic black keeps you looking like less of a douchebag--of which Atlanta has a frightening amount. Sure their hangout isn't called "The Rubber Rose" in homage to the Robbins book?
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 18:56:52
From: Paul Myron Hobson
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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> On Aug 6, 11:33 am, Paul Myron Hobson <phob...@gatech.edu> wrote: >> I can't help but have a strong distaste >> for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just >> about ubiquitous in Atlanta: >> http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg landotter wrote: > I think I saw at least two of the bikes when I visited this spring. > Thing is, the fewer spokes, the deeper/stronger the rim needs to be. Yeah. A couple of those goons have Aerospoke plastic wheels on the front...of their 6-inch wide riser barred track bikes...in the city...in Atlanta...[thud] \\paul
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 10:36:57
From: RS
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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At your weight that should be fine. Would also depend on the spokes, don't use 14/17. Good quality 14/15 Sapim or DT should be fine. In article <1186413805.676744.28970@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com >, jprestley@comcast.net says... > > >I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- >cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with >fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light >racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity >Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without >pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be >reasonable? >
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 09:41:51
From: Nate Knutson
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 6, 8:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net > wrote: > I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > Aerohead or Mavic OP, what is the lowest spoke count I can use without > pushing the envelope? I am 150 lbs. Would 24 front/ 28 rear be > reasonable? Are there 24h open pros? 24/28 would work; I don't know if sacrificing a bit of durability for such a small gain is reasonable. Velocity does pump out lots of 24h Aerohead wheels, as 24/32 is what their Aerohead-based wheelset uses.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 16:12:54
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net > wrote: > I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > Aerohead Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress.
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 12:33:59
From: Paul Myron Hobson
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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> On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: >> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- >> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with >> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light >> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity >> Aerohead landotter wrote: > Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg \\paul
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Date: 07 Aug 2007 00:44:12
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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>> On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: >>> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- >>> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with >>> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light >>> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity >>> Aerohead > landotter wrote: >> Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V >> can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts >> will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes >> a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and >> 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg Gee - we built both orange and green fixie Deep V wheels for a customer in Atlanta. I wonder? -- Andrew Muzi www.yellowjersey.org Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 19:36:02
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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Paul Myron Hobson wrote: > ... > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg That is EVIL! -- Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia The weather is here, wish you were beautiful -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 06 Aug 2007 11:32:28
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Spoke count
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In article <f97ihn$qld$1@news-int2.gatech.edu >, Paul Myron Hobson <phobson@gatech.edu > wrote: > > On Aug 6, 10:23 am, VeloJon <jprest...@comcast.net> wrote: > >> I've built several sets of "traditional" road wheels, e.g. 32-spoke 3- > >> cross patterns that have held up well. Now I want to try a set with > >> fewer spokes using bladed spokes, and not looking for super-light > >> racing use, just some extra bling. With a basic rim like a Velocity > >> Aerohead > > landotter wrote: > > Haven't seen the Aerohead drilled fewer than 28, however the Deep-V > > can go as low as 16! Deep Vs with 24 rear and 18 Front or therebouts > > will look flashy enough to impress at the coffeeshop. Alex also makes > > a Deep section rim for very little money, the D-28. $35 and > > 16,20,24,28 or 32 drillings. Only black, so no funky colors to impress. > > While this is all well and good, I can't help but have a strong distaste > for DeepV's now that clown bikes are just about ubiquitous in Atlanta: > > http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1207/1014320740_cbab4bf261_o.jpg Faux rivets? -- Michael Press
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