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Date: 29 May 2007 19:57:04
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Subject: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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I am looking to buy a new derailleur. Could anyone recommended which
one of these would be a better choice, a Sram X.9 or a Shimano XT. I
ride a lot of aggressive cross country with some downhill mixed in.
The most important thing is that it's durable and it needs a strong
cage. Weight is no issue. Thanks for the help, John.
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Date: 31 May 2007 07:39:29
From: Michael Dart
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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canadian185@hotmail.com wrote:
> I am looking to buy a new derailleur. Could anyone recommended which
> one of these would be a better choice, a Sram X.9 or a Shimano XT. I
> ride a lot of aggressive cross country with some downhill mixed in.
> The most important thing is that it's durable and it needs a strong
> cage. Weight is no issue. Thanks for the help, John.
I am currently using XT mechs. on my downhill racing bike and XC bike. (I
also ride aggressively :^) )
Experience with my friends bikes is that Sram mechs break way too easily in
this environment. They usually break off at the main pivot knuckle. Though
they still swear by the Sram stuff, I'd be swearing at it.
Mike
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Date: 31 May 2007 15:03:38
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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On May 31, 12:31 pm, G=FCnther Schwarz <s...@gmx.de > wrote:
> canadian...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > I currently have a Deore LX derailleur and the last one I had was a
> > Deore LX. The problem is I keep breaking the cages from hitting them
> > on rocks and taking hard falls. On my current one the cage is badly
> > bent. Maybe my hanger isn't working right. Either way I would not
> > have a problem getting sram shifters if there were a derailleur that
> > would be more durable. Or should I just deal with
> > having the replace them more often then I would like. Should I get
> > another Deore LX or is there something more durable?
>
> Get a cheap one like Deore RD-M511 and take a second one as a
> replacement with you. The expensive derailleurs are just more fancy and
> lighter, but not stronger. Seals and bearings are better, but that is
> obviously not important in your application where resistance to impacts
> is the prime factor. An exception is the SRAM X.0 which is rebuildable.
>
> G=FCnther
Of course, you could buy 10 Deore RD-M511s for the price of one X.0...
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Date: 01 Jun 2007 01:14:19
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther?= Schwarz
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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Hank Wirtz wrote:
> On May 31, 12:31 pm, Günther Schwarz <s...@gmx.de> wrote:
>> canadian...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > Should I get
>> > another Deore LX or is there something more durable?
>>
>> Get a cheap one like Deore RD-M511 and take a second one as a
>> replacement with you. The expensive derailleurs are just more fancy
>> and lighter, but not stronger. Seals and bearings are better, but
>> that is obviously not important in your application where resistance
>> to impacts is the prime factor. An exception is the SRAM X.0 which is
>> rebuildable.
> Of course, you could buy 10 Deore RD-M511s for the price of one X.0...
I just wanted to mention it for the sake of completeness. But then it
was obviously designed for heavy abuse and all bits are available as
spare parts. If I was interested in heavy mounting biking I probably
would go for a Rohloff hub. On the long run it might be cheaper than
frequent replacement of derailleurs.
Günther
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Date: 31 May 2007 00:06:03
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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On May 30, 2:33 pm, Barnard Frederick <loco-m...@spamcast.net > wrote:
> In article <1180540484.333612.49...@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> canadian...@hotmail.com says...
>
> > I currently have a Deore LX derailleur and the last one I had was a
> > Deore LX. The problem is I keep breaking the cages from hitting them
> > on rocks and taking hard falls. On my current one the cage is badly
> > bent. Maybe my hanger isn't working right. Either way I would not
> > have a problem getting sram shifters if there were a derailleur that
> > would be more durable. Or should I just deal with
> > having the replace them more often then I would like. Should I get
> > another Deore LX or is there something more durable? Thanks again.
>
> Check out the Saint and Hone parts from Shimano. I think they are made
> for tougher applications.
Not a bad idea, but they do require proprietary hubs, as the RD mounts
to the wheel axle, not the frame.
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Date: 31 May 2007 00:04:22
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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On May 30, 12:27 pm, canadian...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > Get the Deore RD (not Deore LX orXT), so you can use your exisitng
> > shifters. Deore has steel cage instead of alloy.
>
> What make the Deore RD different then the LX that I already have? In
> what way is it better?
It's much cheaper. If you're going to keep breaking them, might as
well be the inexpensive one.
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Date: 30 May 2007 12:27:53
From:
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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> Get the Deore RD (not Deore LX orXT), so you can use your exisitng
> shifters. Deore has steel cage instead of alloy.
What make the Deore RD different then the LX that I already have? In
what way is it better?
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Date: 30 May 2007 11:05:56
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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On May 30, 9:26 am, "Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Hayfever Edition =AE"
<b...@bellsouth.net > wrote:
> <canadian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1180540484.333612.49110@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>
> >I currently have a Deore LX derailleur and the last one I had was a
> > Deore LX. The problem is I keep breaking the cages from hitting them
> > on rocks and taking hard falls. On my current one the cage is badly
> > bent. Maybe my hanger isn't working right. Either way I would not
> > have a problem getting sram shifters if there were a derailleur that
> > would be more durable. Or should I just deal with
> > having the replace them more often then I would like. Should I get
> > another Deore LX or is there something more durable? Thanks again.
>
> Get the Deore RD (not Deore LX or XT), so you can use your exisitng
> shifters. Deore has steel cage instead of alloy.
That, and if you have a propensity for breaking stuff, the Deore is
cheaper to replace.
Paris-Roubaix riders ride Chorus, Centaur and Ultegra as much as
Record and Dura-Ace, because it's only going to last the one race. If
they wanted it to last longer, they wouldn't be riding in the P-R.
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Date: 30 May 2007 08:54:44
From:
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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I currently have a Deore LX derailleur and the last one I had was a
Deore LX. The problem is I keep breaking the cages from hitting them
on rocks and taking hard falls. On my current one the cage is badly
bent. Maybe my hanger isn't working right. Either way I would not
have a problem getting sram shifters if there were a derailleur that
would be more durable. Or should I just deal with
having the replace them more often then I would like. Should I get
another Deore LX or is there something more durable? Thanks again.
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Date: 31 May 2007 21:31:17
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther?= Schwarz
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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canadian185@hotmail.com wrote:
> I currently have a Deore LX derailleur and the last one I had was a
> Deore LX. The problem is I keep breaking the cages from hitting them
> on rocks and taking hard falls. On my current one the cage is badly
> bent. Maybe my hanger isn't working right. Either way I would not
> have a problem getting sram shifters if there were a derailleur that
> would be more durable. Or should I just deal with
> having the replace them more often then I would like. Should I get
> another Deore LX or is there something more durable?
Get a cheap one like Deore RD-M511 and take a second one as a
replacement with you. The expensive derailleurs are just more fancy and
lighter, but not stronger. Seals and bearings are better, but that is
obviously not important in your application where resistance to impacts
is the prime factor. An exception is the SRAM X.0 which is rebuildable.
Günther
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Date: 30 May 2007 22:22:26
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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canadian185@hotmail.com wrote:
> I currently have a Deore LX derailleur and the last one I had was a
> Deore LX. The problem is I keep breaking the cages from hitting them
> on rocks and taking hard falls. On my current one the cage is badly
> bent. Maybe my hanger isn't working right. Either way I would not
> have a problem getting sram shifters if there were a derailleur that
> would be more durable. Or should I just deal with
> having the replace them more often then I would like. Should I get
> another Deore LX or is there something more durable? Thanks again.
>
Hard to beat an LX for overall value/durability.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 30 May 2007 17:33:00
From: Barnard Frederick
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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In article <1180540484.333612.49110@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com >,
canadian185@hotmail.com says...
> I currently have a Deore LX derailleur and the last one I had was a
> Deore LX. The problem is I keep breaking the cages from hitting them
> on rocks and taking hard falls. On my current one the cage is badly
> bent. Maybe my hanger isn't working right. Either way I would not
> have a problem getting sram shifters if there were a derailleur that
> would be more durable. Or should I just deal with
> having the replace them more often then I would like. Should I get
> another Deore LX or is there something more durable? Thanks again.
Check out the Saint and Hone parts from Shimano. I think they are made
for tougher applications.
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Date: 30 May 2007 16:26:24
From: Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Hayfever Edition ®
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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<canadian185@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1180540484.333612.49110@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>I currently have a Deore LX derailleur and the last one I had was a
> Deore LX. The problem is I keep breaking the cages from hitting them
> on rocks and taking hard falls. On my current one the cage is badly
> bent. Maybe my hanger isn't working right. Either way I would not
> have a problem getting sram shifters if there were a derailleur that
> would be more durable. Or should I just deal with
> having the replace them more often then I would like. Should I get
> another Deore LX or is there something more durable? Thanks again.
>
Get the Deore RD (not Deore LX or XT), so you can use your exisitng
shifters. Deore has steel cage instead of alloy.
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Date: 30 May 2007 19:49:03
From: M-gineering
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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Bellsouth Ijit 2.0 - Hayfever Edition ® wrote:
> <canadian185@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1180540484.333612.49110@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
>> I currently have a Deore LX derailleur and the last one I had was a
>> Deore LX. The problem is I keep breaking the cages from hitting them
>> on rocks and taking hard falls. On my current one the cage is badly
>> bent. Maybe my hanger isn't working right. Either way I would not
>> have a problem getting sram shifters if there were a derailleur that
>> would be more durable. Or should I just deal with
>> having the replace them more often then I would like. Should I get
>> another Deore LX or is there something more durable? Thanks again.
>>
>
> Get the Deore RD (not Deore LX or XT), so you can use your exisitng
> shifters. Deore has steel cage instead of alloy.
>
>
second that, even if I don't think the cage is steel. No point in
spending money on hard wearing pivots it the piece fails before wear
sets in. And unless SRAM has changed their alloys, their derailleurs
will explode much more spectacular than Shimano's when that branch
decides to cross the road
--
/Marten
info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl
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Date: 30 May 2007 03:48:07
From: Crazy Fred
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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On May 29, 10:57 pm, canadian...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I am looking to buy a new derailleur. Could anyone recommended which
> one of these would be a better choice, a Sram X.9 or a Shimano XT. I
> ride a lot of aggressive cross country with some downhill mixed in.
> The most important thing is that it's durable and it needs a strong
> cage. Weight is no issue. Thanks for the help, John.
Every one has put it in a nut shell. Sram is the way I go.
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Date: 30 May 2007 08:38:30
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther?= Schwarz
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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canadian185@hotmail.com wrote:
> I am looking to buy a new derailleur. Could anyone recommended which
> one of these would be a better choice, a Sram X.9 or a Shimano XT. I
> ride a lot of aggressive cross country with some downhill mixed in.
> The most important thing is that it's durable and it needs a strong
> cage. Weight is no issue.
SRAM X.7 or Shimano LX (RD-M580-SGS) have cages made at least partly
from steel while X.9 and XT feature alloy cages. Note that with an SRAM
derailleur you will need a matching shifter.
Günther
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Date: 29 May 2007 23:23:43
From: cliff
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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On May 29, 7:57 pm, canadian...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I am looking to buy a new derailleur. Could anyone recommended which
> one of these would be a better choice, a Sram X.9 or a Shimano XT. I
> ride a lot of aggressive cross country with some downhill mixed in.
> The most important thing is that it's durable and it needs a strong
> cage. Weight is no issue. Thanks for the help, John.
Both are good, what shifters are you using? The SRAM and Shimano are
not compatible since the cable pull of the shifters is different.
With Shimano you can get a rapid rise, low normal RD which really
shifts nicely. I've tried the SRAM X series, with the 1-1 cable pull
and that is solid as well.
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Date: 29 May 2007 23:21:27
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Sram X.9 or Shimano XT rear derailleur?
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On May 29, 7:57 pm, canadian...@hotmail.com wrote:
> I am looking to buy a new derailleur. Could anyone recommended which
> one of these would be a better choice, a Sram X.9 or a Shimano XT. I
> ride a lot of aggressive cross country with some downhill mixed in.
> The most important thing is that it's durable and it needs a strong
> cage. Weight is no issue. Thanks for the help, John.
The biggest issue is which shifter you prefer, since they're mutually
incompatible. With XT, you can use a Rapidfire or Dual Control
shifter. With the X9, you can get a twist shifter or a SRAM trigger
shifter, which uses the thumb for both directions, or an upward pull
of the index finger for the release of cable. It's a pretty different
motion compared to the Shimano style.
Of course, SRAM does make a Shimano-compatible shifters that are
otherwise equivalent to the X9 ("Rocket"), but if you like Shimano
shifters, you can't use a SRAM RD. So choose a shifter, and that makes
your choice for you.
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