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Date: 24 Jun 2007 18:32:18
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Stiff Link?
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I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link
somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the
symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the
sticky link cannot be seen.
The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted
click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it
comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky
link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal
stroke.
I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable
link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out
NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could
be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is
fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither
of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very
annoying. HELP!
Thanks,
D'ohBoy
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 11:57:11
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jul 5, 10:52 am, Robert <rxobert.bxr...@txripnet.se > wrote:
> russellseat...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> ------8<---cutting all previous
>
>
>
>
>
> > I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9
> > speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the
> > loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a
> > Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup.
> > Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed
> > rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link.
> > Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann
> > 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and
> > Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same
> > Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on
> > price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost,
> > reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the
> > Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be
> > the same.
>
> Russell, thanks for good and useful info. I will try either Wippermann
> 6,2 or 6,05 master link with Campag Veloce 5,9 chain when I get the
> chance, and see if that chain lasts longer than the Wippermann. What I
> now understand is that the marginally wider master link probably makes
> no difference (only 100um we're talking about here - I should've
> reasoned this earlier, and reading your post made it plain to see ;-)
> /Robert- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I use the wider 6.2 Wippermann 10 speed master link because that is
what I have. Online places list the new narrow 6.05mm Wippermann
master link for something like $13.99. Seems excessive to me. So I
have not bought one. After many thousands of miles, the Wippermann
6.2mm master link seems to still work fine. Now on its second 10
speed chain. Someday I'll replace it. Don't know if the narrower
6.05 master link works better on 5.9mm chains. Have not tried the
6.05 master link yet. Most likely the 6.05mm master link does not
work worse than the 6.2mm master link.
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 19:16:06
From:
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff Link?
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Russell Seaton1 writes:
>>> I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9
>>> speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the
>>> loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a
>>> Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup.
>>> Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed
>>> rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link.
>>> Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann
>>> 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and
>>> Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same
>>> Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on
>>> price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost,
>>> reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the
>>> Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be
>>> the same.
>> Russell, thanks for good and useful info. I will try either Wippermann
>> 6,2 or 6,05 master link with Campag Veloce 5,9 chain when I get the
>> chance, and see if that chain lasts longer than the Wippermann. What I
>> now understand is that the marginally wider master link probably makes
>> no difference (only 100um we're talking about here - I should've
>> reasoned this earlier, and reading your post made it plain to see ;-)
>> /Robert- Hide quoted text -
> I use the wider 6.2 Wippermann 10 speed master link because that is
> what I have. Online places list the new narrow 6.05mm Wippermann
> master link for something like $13.99. Seems excessive to me. So I
> have not bought one. After many thousands of miles, the Wippermann
> 6.2mm master link seems to still work fine. Now on its second 10
> speed chain. Someday I'll replace it. Don't know if the narrower
> 6.05 master link works better on 5.9mm chains. Have not tried the
> 6.05 master link yet. Most likely the 6.05mm master link does not
> work worse than the 6.2mm master link.
You might check how much wear the pins on that link have. That will
be the sloppiest link on a new chain and, although you may not notice
it, the sprockets will suffer tooth deformation on the aluminum and
extra wear on the steel ones. Compare its diametral pin wear to that
of a pin of a discarded chain for comparison.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 15:38:11
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff
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>>>> I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9
>>>> speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the
>>>> loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a
>>>> Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup.
>>>> Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed
>>>> rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link.
>>>> Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann
>>>> 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and
>>>> Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same
>>>> Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on
>>>> price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost,
>>>> reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the
>>>> Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be
>>>> the same.
>>> Russell, thanks for good and useful info. I will try either Wippermann
>>> 6,2 or 6,05 master link with Campag Veloce 5,9 chain when I get the
>>> chance, and see if that chain lasts longer than the Wippermann. What I
>>> now understand is that the marginally wider master link probably makes
>>> no difference (only 100um we're talking about here - I should've
>>> reasoned this earlier, and reading your post made it plain to see ;-)
>>> /Robert- Hide quoted text -
> Russell Seaton1 writes:
>> I use the wider 6.2 Wippermann 10 speed master link because that is
>> what I have. Online places list the new narrow 6.05mm Wippermann
>> master link for something like $13.99. Seems excessive to me. So I
>> have not bought one. After many thousands of miles, the Wippermann
>> 6.2mm master link seems to still work fine. Now on its second 10
>> speed chain. Someday I'll replace it. Don't know if the narrower
>> 6.05 master link works better on 5.9mm chains. Have not tried the
>> 6.05 master link yet. Most likely the 6.05mm master link does not
>> work worse than the 6.2mm master link.
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> You might check how much wear the pins on that link have. That will
> be the sloppiest link on a new chain and, although you may not notice
> it, the sprockets will suffer tooth deformation on the aluminum and
> extra wear on the steel ones. Compare its diametral pin wear to that
> of a pin of a discarded chain for comparison.
Good point. We consider those as disposable with their chain -we don't
re-use snap links. False economy IMHO.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 15:57:14
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jul 4, 3:33 am, Robert <rxobert.bxr...@txripnet.se > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 3, 6:15 am, Robert <rxobert.bxr...@txripnet.se> wrote:
>
> >>D'ohBoy wrote:
>
> >>>Sweet.
>
> >>>The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a
> >>>champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS
> >>>Superlinks I currently have.
>
> >>>Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet
> >>>they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want
> >>>more of those shitey links.
>
> >>>D'ohBoy
>
> >>All,
>
> >>While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
>
> >>I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag
> >>Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the
> >>chains wear (i.e. "stretch") very early so I find myself changing them
> >>after ca. 1000 km.
>
> >>I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult
> >>in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master
> >>link instead.
>
> > They 'join' the same as Veloce chains. Veloce chains are the same as
> > Chorus chains, the same as Record chains. Holes in side plates is
> > Chporus and holes in pins are Record. You need to get a better method
> > of measuring your chain is you change them at 600 miles. I use a
> > Rohloff tool and we see chains generally go abpout 2500-3000 miles
> > before they need changing.
>
> >>My questions:
> >>1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on
> >> a) the Record 10
> >> b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
>
> > Use the 6.05 on the narrow chain and the 6.2 on the 6.2 chain.
>
> >>2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
>
> >>I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper
> >>here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
>
> >>Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
>
> Hi Peter,
>
> I agree that I maight be changing chains too often - but it could also
> be due to the extreme grit, salt, and slush conditions in which I train
> during the winter (Sweden). I don't soak the chains often, mainly wipe
> clean(ish), re-oil then wipe again.
>
> I think in Colorado your roads department may be dumping the same sand
> etc on icy roads during wintertime. In which case, would you expect the
> life of a chain to reduce to the aforementioned 600 mi / 1000 km, or am
> I being overly paranoid in changing so often?
>
> Thanks for your insights /Robert
I think they use magnesium chloride(?), a chemical melter rather than
salt BUT if the bike(chain) gets really gooky on a ride, I'll take it
off and clean it. Not hard and quick. Plastic bottle and mineral
spirits...shake, shake, shake, remove, let dry, lube and ride the next
day.
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 18:23:35
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jul 4, 4:39 am, Robert <rxobert.bxr...@txripnet.se > wrote:
> russellseat...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Jul 3, 7:15 am, Robert <rxobert.bxr...@txripnet.se> wrote:
>
> >>D'ohBoy wrote:
>
> >>>Sweet.
>
> >>>The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a
> >>>champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS
> >>>Superlinks I currently have.
>
> >>>Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet
> >>>they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want
> >>>more of those shitey links.
>
> >>>D'ohBoy
>
> >>All,
>
> >>While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
>
> >>I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag
> >>Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the
> >>chains wear (i.e. "stretch") very early so I find myself changing them
> >>after ca. 1000 km.
>
> >>I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult
> >>in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master
> >>link instead.
>
> >>My questions:
> >>1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on
> >> a) the Record 10
> >> b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
>
> >>2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
>
> >>I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper
> >>here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
>
> >>Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
>
> > I've used the Wippermann 6.2 mm "wider" 10 speed connecting link on a
> > 5.9 mm "narrower" Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed chain and 5.9 mm Shimano
> > 105 10 speed chain. Same link. I tossed the Veloce chain after
> > 2-3-4,000 or so miles. Just figured it was time to change chains.
> > Same cassette. Now on the Shimano chain. Bought some KMC reusable 10
> > speed quick links (Ribble Cycles in England has them) and have a
> > Wippermann Shimano width (5.9mm) chain and its connector on the way.
> > So I will get to use other quick connectors sometime over the next
> > year or two besides the 6.2 mm Wippermann.
>
> Russell,
>
> For curiosity - you mention both Campag and Shima chains. Are you using
> them on each maker's drive train, or have you maybe found that it works
> well to use e.g. Shimano on both Shima and Campag cassettes?
>
> For a Campag 10 drivetrain, my intention is to find a chain that is
> reliable, long-lasting, and easy-to-join. Low weight and price are not
> high priorities.
>
> Maybe the answer is on Sheldon but I will look later.
>
> (apologies if I am hijacking the OP's thread into different territory)
>
> /Robert- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9
speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the
loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a
Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup.
Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed
rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link.
Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann
6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and
Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same
Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on
price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost,
reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the
Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be
the same.
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 15:52:41
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff
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russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
------8<---cutting all previous
>
>
> I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9
> speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the
> loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a
> Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup.
> Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed
> rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link.
> Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann
> 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and
> Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same
> Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on
> price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost,
> reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the
> Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be
> the same.
>
Russell, thanks for good and useful info. I will try either Wippermann
6,2 or 6,05 master link with Campag Veloce 5,9 chain when I get the
chance, and see if that chain lasts longer than the Wippermann. What I
now understand is that the marginally wider master link probably makes
no difference (only 100um we're talking about here - I should've
reasoned this earlier, and reading your post made it plain to see ;-)
/Robert
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Date: 05 Jul 2007 19:56:51
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff
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Robert wrote:
> russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> ------8<---cutting all previous
>>
>>
>> I only have a 10 speed Campagnolo setup. No Shimano 10 speed. Or 9
>> speed Shimano. Only Shimano is an early 1990s 7 speed setup on the
>> loaded touring bike. I used a Veloce 5.9mm 10 speed chain and a
>> Shimano 105 5.9mm 10 speed chain on the Campagnolo 10 speed setup.
>> Veloce 10 speed cogs. TA 9/10 speed rings and Real or Vuelta 8 speed
>> rings. Quick connect link is a Wippermann 6.2mm 10 speed link.
>> Bought some KMC quick links and will eventually try the Wippermann
>> 6.05mm quick link. Current setup of Wippermann 6.2mm quick link and
>> Shimano 105 5.9mm chain works fine. Veloce 5.9mm chain with same
>> Wippermann 6.2mm quick link worked fine. I buy chains mainly on
>> price. Cheapest wins. Veloce 5.9mm chain was reasonable in cost,
>> reliable for several thousand miles, and easy to join when using the
>> Wippermann quick link. I suspect the Shimano 105 5.9mm chain will be
>> the same.
>>
> Russell, thanks for good and useful info. I will try either Wippermann
> 6,2 or 6,05 master link with Campag Veloce 5,9 chain when I get the
> chance, and see if that chain lasts longer than the Wippermann. What I
> now understand is that the marginally wider master link probably makes
> no difference (only 100um we're talking about here - I should've
> reasoned this earlier, and reading your post made it plain to see ;-)
> /Robert
>
I would certainly use a 6.05 mm wipperman link with a 5.9 mm wide chain.
A 6.2 mm Wipperman link is very loose on the ultra narrow campa chain.
Lou
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 06:22:33
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jul 3, 7:15 am, Robert <rxobert.bxr...@txripnet.se > wrote:
> D'ohBoy wrote:
> > Sweet.
>
> > The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a
> > champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS
> > Superlinks I currently have.
>
> > Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet
> > they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want
> > more of those shitey links.
>
> > D'ohBoy
>
> All,
>
> While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
>
> I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag
> Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the
> chains wear (i.e. "stretch") very early so I find myself changing them
> after ca. 1000 km.
>
> I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult
> in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master
> link instead.
>
> My questions:
> 1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on
> a) the Record 10
> b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
>
> 2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
>
> I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper
> here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
>
> Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
I've used the Wippermann 6.2 mm "wider" 10 speed connecting link on a
5.9 mm "narrower" Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed chain and 5.9 mm Shimano
105 10 speed chain. Same link. I tossed the Veloce chain after
2-3-4,000 or so miles. Just figured it was time to change chains.
Same cassette. Now on the Shimano chain. Bought some KMC reusable 10
speed quick links (Ribble Cycles in England has them) and have a
Wippermann Shimano width (5.9mm) chain and its connector on the way.
So I will get to use other quick connectors sometime over the next
year or two besides the 6.2 mm Wippermann.
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 09:39:29
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff
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russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jul 3, 7:15 am, Robert <rxobert.bxr...@txripnet.se> wrote:
>
>>D'ohBoy wrote:
>>
>>>Sweet.
>>
>>>The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a
>>>champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS
>>>Superlinks I currently have.
>>
>>>Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet
>>>they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want
>>>more of those shitey links.
>>
>>>D'ohBoy
>>
>>All,
>>
>>While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
>>
>>I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag
>>Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the
>>chains wear (i.e. "stretch") very early so I find myself changing them
>>after ca. 1000 km.
>>
>>I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult
>>in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master
>>link instead.
>>
>>My questions:
>>1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on
>> a) the Record 10
>> b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
>>
>>2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
>>
>>I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper
>>here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
>>
>>Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
>
>
> I've used the Wippermann 6.2 mm "wider" 10 speed connecting link on a
> 5.9 mm "narrower" Campagnolo Veloce 10 speed chain and 5.9 mm Shimano
> 105 10 speed chain. Same link. I tossed the Veloce chain after
> 2-3-4,000 or so miles. Just figured it was time to change chains.
> Same cassette. Now on the Shimano chain. Bought some KMC reusable 10
> speed quick links (Ribble Cycles in England has them) and have a
> Wippermann Shimano width (5.9mm) chain and its connector on the way.
> So I will get to use other quick connectors sometime over the next
> year or two besides the 6.2 mm Wippermann.
>
Russell,
For curiosity - you mention both Campag and Shima chains. Are you using
them on each maker's drive train, or have you maybe found that it works
well to use e.g. Shimano on both Shima and Campag cassettes?
For a Campag 10 drivetrain, my intention is to find a chain that is
reliable, long-lasting, and easy-to-join. Low weight and price are not
high priorities.
Maybe the answer is on Sheldon but I will look later.
(apologies if I am hijacking the OP's thread into different territory)
/Robert
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 12:19:52
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jul 3, 6:15 am, Robert <rxobert.bxr...@txripnet.se > wrote:
> D'ohBoy wrote:
> > Sweet.
>
> > The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a
> > champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS
> > Superlinks I currently have.
>
> > Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet
> > they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want
> > more of those shitey links.
>
> > D'ohBoy
>
> All,
>
> While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
>
> I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag
> Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the
> chains wear (i.e. "stretch") very early so I find myself changing them
> after ca. 1000 km.
>
> I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult
> in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master
> link instead.
They 'join' the same as Veloce chains. Veloce chains are the same as
Chorus chains, the same as Record chains. Holes in side plates is
Chporus and holes in pins are Record. You need to get a better method
of measuring your chain is you change them at 600 miles. I use a
Rohloff tool and we see chains generally go abpout 2500-3000 miles
before they need changing.
>
> My questions:
> 1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on
> a) the Record 10
> b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
Use the 6.05 on the narrow chain and the 6.2 on the 6.2 chain.
>
> 2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
>
> I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper
> here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
>
> Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 09:33:01
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
> On Jul 3, 6:15 am, Robert <rxobert.bxr...@txripnet.se> wrote:
>
>>D'ohBoy wrote:
>>
>>>Sweet.
>>
>>>The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a
>>>champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS
>>>Superlinks I currently have.
>>
>>>Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet
>>>they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want
>>>more of those shitey links.
>>
>>>D'ohBoy
>>
>>All,
>>
>>While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
>>
>>I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag
>>Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the
>>chains wear (i.e. "stretch") very early so I find myself changing them
>>after ca. 1000 km.
>>
>>I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult
>>in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master
>>link instead.
>
>
> They 'join' the same as Veloce chains. Veloce chains are the same as
> Chorus chains, the same as Record chains. Holes in side plates is
> Chporus and holes in pins are Record. You need to get a better method
> of measuring your chain is you change them at 600 miles. I use a
> Rohloff tool and we see chains generally go abpout 2500-3000 miles
> before they need changing.
>
>>My questions:
>>1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on
>> a) the Record 10
>> b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
>
>
> Use the 6.05 on the narrow chain and the 6.2 on the 6.2 chain.
>
>
>>2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
>>
>>I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper
>>here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
>>
>>Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
>
>
>
Hi Peter,
I agree that I maight be changing chains too often - but it could also
be due to the extreme grit, salt, and slush conditions in which I train
during the winter (Sweden). I don't soak the chains often, mainly wipe
clean(ish), re-oil then wipe again.
I think in Colorado your roads department may be dumping the same sand
etc on icy roads during wintertime. In which case, would you expect the
life of a chain to reduce to the aforementioned 600 mi / 1000 km, or am
I being overly paranoid in changing so often?
Thanks for your insights /Robert
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 06:16:49
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff Link?
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Sweet.
The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a
champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS
Superlinks I currently have.
Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet
they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want
more of those shitey links.
D'ohBoy
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 12:15:30
From: Robert
Subject: Re: Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain WAS: Re: Stiff
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D'ohBoy wrote:
> Sweet.
>
> The Wipperman Shimano 10 link on Campy Narrow Chain works like a
> champ. Now I'll see if I can get my money back for the three POS
> Superlinks I currently have.
>
> Wonder if Lickton's is a good outfit or not? Any predictions? I bet
> they are willing to replace, but not refund. Too bad I don't want
> more of those shitey links.
>
> D'ohBoy
>
All,
While we're on the subject of Wipperman links.
I currently use Wipperman Connex 1008 (and the link supplied) on Campag
Record 10 chainset /derailleurs and Veloce 10 cassettes. I find that the
chains wear (i.e. "stretch") very early so I find myself changing them
after ca. 1000 km.
I want to try Campag Record chains but understand that they're difficult
in joining, requiring a special tool, and I'd prefer to use a master
link instead.
My questions:
1. Is it OK to use the master link from Wipperman/Connex 1008 on
a) the Record 10
b) the Record 10 ultra narrow
2. If not what link is best to use on the above chains?
I am asking because the Campag chains are being advertised a bit cheaper
here and I want to see if they last longer than the Wippermans.
Thanks for any info you can give on this /Robert
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Date: 26 Jun 2007 05:37:14
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jun 26, 7:18 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Jun 24, 7:32 pm, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link
> > somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the
> > symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the
> > sticky link cannot be seen.
>
> > The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted
> > click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it
> > comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky
> > link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal
> > stroke.
>
> > I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable
> > link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out
> > NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could
> > be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is
> > fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither
> > of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
>
> > I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very
> > annoying. HELP!
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > D'ohBoy
>
> I have seen these links be 'sticky', on more than one occasion..why I
> use Wipperman links for all chains..9s and 10s ones. Remember, the
> wipperman has an up and down, or it may skip on an 11t..
Yah, the ends of the curved slot should point down (ish) when the link
is on the bottom run of it's path (IIRC).
I had actually tried a Superlink years ago but had forgotten I didn't
really like it's performance nor durability.
D'ohBoy
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Date: 26 Jun 2007 05:18:23
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jun 24, 7:32 pm, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link
> somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the
> symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the
> sticky link cannot be seen.
>
> The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted
> click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it
> comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky
> link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal
> stroke.
>
> I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable
> link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out
> NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could
> be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is
> fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither
> of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
>
> I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very
> annoying. HELP!
>
> Thanks,
>
> D'ohBoy
I have seen these links be 'sticky', on more than one occasion..why I
use Wipperman links for all chains..9s and 10s ones. Remember, the
wipperman has an up and down, or it may skip on an 11t..
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Date: 25 Jun 2007 10:49:49
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jun 25, 11:35 am, Mike <atlas-h...@rcn.com > wrote:
> On Jun 25, 8:32 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 24, 9:40 pm, "Phil" <n...@try.to> wrote:
>
> > > D'ohBoy wrote:
> > > >I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link
> > > > somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the
> > > > symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the
> > > > sticky link cannot be seen.
>
> > > > The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted
> > > > click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it
> > > > comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky
> > > > link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal
> > > > stroke.
>
> > > > I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable
> > > > link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out
> > > > NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could
> > > > be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is
> > > > fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither
> > > > of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
>
> > > > I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very
> > > > annoying. HELP!
>
> > > > Thanks,
>
> > > > D'ohBoy
>
> > > It's only this chain and not the cassette/chainring? It's rare that a stiff
> > > link won't show up off the bike, as pedaling forces are much stronger than
> > > anyone's fingers.
>
> > > --
> > > Phil
>
> > Weird thing is that it definitely occurs on a specific link - at
> > least, that is what 11 hours on the bike listening and trying to watch
> > and trying different things to get it to happen and to stop. Please
> > note that my examinations off the bike only occurs pedaling backwards
> > (clue?) - perhaps there is a burr or something in one link that only
> > affects one direction of chain travel?
>
> > D'ohBoy
>
> > I will throw it on the trainer and- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I predict that you will find that it is the Superlink. I recently
> switched to using superlink IV's on my Campy Ultra Narrow chain and
> had a problem similar to yours. Because the problem started only a
> few hundred miles after I put a new chain and link on I too thought it
> was a stiff link. But I could not find any problem by backpedaling or
> anything like that.
>
> My cassette was relatively new so I ruled it out at first. Finally I
> rechecked the chain length using my Rohloff checker and found that
> there was a major difference when measured over the Superlink. Using
> a pair of calipers I found that the Superlink had worn (or was just
> off) by almost 0.010".
>
> Sure enough, when I put the bike up on my stand and loaded the rear
> down with a rag while someone cranked the pedals I finally replicated
> the problem. The long link was hanging up on the tension side of the
> cassette, much like an overly worn chain would on a new cassette.
>
> I put a spare Superlink on and it was better, but was still a few thou
> longer than the rest of the chain. After another couple of hundred
> miles the problem hasn't yet returned, but I've already picked up a
> few Wipperman links and plan to switch to them. Over the years that I
> used Wipperman chains I never had a problem with their links.
>
> -Mike
Thanks Mike for seconding my suspicions. I will replace the link and
see how things go.
D'ohBoy
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Date: 25 Jun 2007 09:35:52
From: Mike
Subject: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jun 25, 8:32 am, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jun 24, 9:40 pm, "Phil" <n...@try.to> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > D'ohBoy wrote:
> > >I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link
> > > somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the
> > > symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the
> > > sticky link cannot be seen.
>
> > > The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted
> > > click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it
> > > comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky
> > > link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal
> > > stroke.
>
> > > I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable
> > > link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out
> > > NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could
> > > be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is
> > > fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither
> > > of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
>
> > > I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very
> > > annoying. HELP!
>
> > > Thanks,
>
> > > D'ohBoy
>
> > It's only this chain and not the cassette/chainring? It's rare that a stiff
> > link won't show up off the bike, as pedaling forces are much stronger than
> > anyone's fingers.
>
> > --
> > Phil
>
> Weird thing is that it definitely occurs on a specific link - at
> least, that is what 11 hours on the bike listening and trying to watch
> and trying different things to get it to happen and to stop. Please
> note that my examinations off the bike only occurs pedaling backwards
> (clue?) - perhaps there is a burr or something in one link that only
> affects one direction of chain travel?
>
> D'ohBoy
>
> I will throw it on the trainer and- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I predict that you will find that it is the Superlink. I recently
switched to using superlink IV's on my Campy Ultra Narrow chain and
had a problem similar to yours. Because the problem started only a
few hundred miles after I put a new chain and link on I too thought it
was a stiff link. But I could not find any problem by backpedaling or
anything like that.
My cassette was relatively new so I ruled it out at first. Finally I
rechecked the chain length using my Rohloff checker and found that
there was a major difference when measured over the Superlink. Using
a pair of calipers I found that the Superlink had worn (or was just
off) by almost 0.010".
Sure enough, when I put the bike up on my stand and loaded the rear
down with a rag while someone cranked the pedals I finally replicated
the problem. The long link was hanging up on the tension side of the
cassette, much like an overly worn chain would on a new cassette.
I put a spare Superlink on and it was better, but was still a few thou
longer than the rest of the chain. After another couple of hundred
miles the problem hasn't yet returned, but I've already picked up a
few Wipperman links and plan to switch to them. Over the years that I
used Wipperman chains I never had a problem with their links.
-Mike
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Date: 25 Jun 2007 05:32:57
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: Stiff Link?
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On Jun 24, 9:40 pm, "Phil" <n...@try.to > wrote:
> D'ohBoy wrote:
> >I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link
> > somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the
> > symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the
> > sticky link cannot be seen.
>
> > The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted
> > click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it
> > comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky
> > link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal
> > stroke.
>
> > I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable
> > link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out
> > NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could
> > be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is
> > fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither
> > of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
>
> > I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very
> > annoying. HELP!
>
> > Thanks,
>
> > D'ohBoy
>
> It's only this chain and not the cassette/chainring? It's rare that a stiff
> link won't show up off the bike, as pedaling forces are much stronger than
> anyone's fingers.
>
> --
> Phil
Weird thing is that it definitely occurs on a specific link - at
least, that is what 11 hours on the bike listening and trying to watch
and trying different things to get it to happen and to stop. Please
note that my examinations off the bike only occurs pedaling backwards
(clue?) - perhaps there is a burr or something in one link that only
affects one direction of chain travel?
D'ohBoy
I will throw it on the trainer and
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 22:40:04
From: Phil
Subject: Re: Stiff Link?
|
D'ohBoy wrote:
>I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link
> somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the
> symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the
> sticky link cannot be seen.
>
> The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted
> click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it
> comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky
> link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal
> stroke.
>
> I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable
> link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out
> NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could
> be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is
> fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither
> of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
>
> I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very
> annoying. HELP!
>
> Thanks,
>
> D'ohBoy
It's only this chain and not the cassette/chainring? It's rare that a stiff
link won't show up off the bike, as pedaling forces are much stronger than
anyone's fingers.
--
Phil
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Date: 25 Jun 2007 01:38:58
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: Stiff Link?
|
On Jun 24, 9:32 pm, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> I have a Record narrow chain joined by a Superlink. There is a link
> somewhere in the chain that is sticky - or at least that's the
> symptomatic manifestation when I ride. However, off the bike, the
> sticky link cannot be seen.
>
> The drivetrain will give a little hiccup and there will be a muted
> click/creak. It appears to be associated with a specific link, as it
> comes and goes and appears to have something to do with the sticky
> link's position in the chain's path and where I am in my pedal
> stroke.
>
> I plan on replacing that link with a Wipperman Shimano 10 replaceable
> link and ride to see if the link is the problem. But if it turns out
> NOT to be the Superlink binding, does anyone have any idea what could
> be going on here? I am assuming the rest of the Record chain is
> fine. Obviously, that will have to be checked next. But if neither
> of those turn out to be the issue, then what?
>
> I had 180 miles of drivetrain hiccups this weekend and found it very
> annoying. HELP!
>
> Thanks,
>
> D'ohBoy
yep. once ina while yawl have this problem. good luck with it.
a new chain and cassette maybe the final answer.
be stoic.
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