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Date: 21 Jun 2007 18:04:15
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Subject: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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So my plans to help my fiancee buy a road bike have changed a bit. I
had originally thought that I'd get a quality used steel frameset and
build it up with simple components I have on hand, but this idea has
largely fallen by the wayside. Too difficult to find a good frame and
determine the fit prior to purchase. This has led us to look at new
bikes in the sub-$1000 range, preferably somewhere near $650-$750.
We've just started looking, but so far her favorite is the 54cm
Specialized Dolce followed by the medium Giant OCR 3.
Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo. Does anyone have any
suggestions? I'm in the Belmont, MA area if that makes any
difference.
Thanks,
John
PS- Does anyone have any experience with the Ergo-esque Sora brifter
downshift lever vs. standard STI?
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 13:31:02
From:
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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On Jun 21, 6:45 pm, Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au > wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:04:15 -0000, jcm...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
> > comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo.
>
> You must be annoyed that your fiancee is so fussy.
>
> --
> Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
She's not the fussy one. I'm the one that's hoping for a Campy option.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 19:39:41
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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On Jun 21, 1:30 pm, futrino <f...@qwest.net > wrote:
> Hank Wirtz wrote:
>
> > One thing you could do is get a Sora-equipped bike, then get some 10-
> > speed Ergos off of ebay, or icyclesusa.com has 10-speed pre-QS
> > Centaurs for $150. Campy 10-speed levers index perfectly with an 8-
> > speed Shimano setup. The last two clicks are locked out by the limit
> > screws.
>
> I am thinking of doing this for replacing my old 600 8 speed shifters.
> they are slow shifting and I don't even use the left(I have a downtube
> shifter for the front)
> qustions are:
> ----same deraileur?,
> does the left have the fine adjustment?, I do have a nice double campy
> crank.
> how can I tell which shifters on ebay are pre- QS?
> thanks dan
Same derailleurs, as long as you get the pre-2007/pre-QS levers. You
could probably get the new ones to work, but you'd have to experiment
with alternate cable attachment points on the FD.
The new ones have "QS" on the left lever, at the top of the front of
the body, between the lever and the hood, but here's a guide to
spotting the new ones:
Centaur - if it's carbon, it's QS.
Veloce - If the shift paddle has a cutout, or if the levers are black,
they're QS.
Mirage - If the model name is laser-etched in the aluminum, as opposed
to enbossed in the plastic, it's QS. The QS ones are also 10-speed,
the old ones are 9-speed.
Xenon - Has had the same mechanism all along. Like Mirage, the QS ones
are 10-speed.
The 9-speed ones can also be used with an otherwise 8-speed Shimano
setup by using the "Hubbub" alternate cable attachment (See
http://www.hubbub.com/articles_ergopower.html). I set up my mom's
touring bike this way with some 9-speed Mirage brifters.
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 15:15:00
From: futrino
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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Hank Wirtz wrote:
> On Jun 21, 1:30 pm, futrino <f...@qwest.net> wrote:
>
>>Hank Wirtz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>One thing you could do is get a Sora-equipped bike, then get some 10-
>>>speed Ergos off of ebay, or icyclesusa.com has 10-speed pre-QS
>>>Centaurs for $150. Campy 10-speed levers index perfectly with an 8-
>>>speed Shimano setup. The last two clicks are locked out by the limit
>>>screws.
>>
>>I am thinking of doing this for replacing my old 600 8 speed shifters.
>> they are slow shifting and I don't even use the left(I have a downtube
>>shifter for the front)
>> qustions are:
>>----same deraileur?,
>>does the left have the fine adjustment?, I do have a nice double campy
>>crank.
>>how can I tell which shifters on ebay are pre- QS?
>>thanks dan
>
>
>
> Same derailleurs, as long as you get the pre-2007/pre-QS levers. You
> could probably get the new ones to work, but you'd have to experiment
> with alternate cable attachment points on the FD.
>
> The new ones have "QS" on the left lever, at the top of the front of
> the body, between the lever and the hood, but here's a guide to
> spotting the new ones:
>
> Centaur - if it's carbon, it's QS.
> Veloce - If the shift paddle has a cutout, or if the levers are black,
> they're QS.
> Mirage - If the model name is laser-etched in the aluminum, as opposed
> to enbossed in the plastic, it's QS. The QS ones are also 10-speed,
> the old ones are 9-speed.
> Xenon - Has had the same mechanism all along. Like Mirage, the QS ones
> are 10-speed.
>
> The 9-speed ones can also be used with an otherwise 8-speed Shimano
> setup by using the "Hubbub" alternate cable attachment (See
> http://www.hubbub.com/articles_ergopower.html). I set up my mom's
> touring bike this way with some 9-speed Mirage brifters.
>
>
Thank you sir.
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Date: 22 Jun 2007 08:15:35
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:04:15 -0000, jcmweb@yahoo.com wrote:
> Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
> comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo.
You must be annoyed that your fiancee is so fussy.
--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 16:19:20
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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Michael Warner wrote (in full):
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:04:15 -0000, jcmweb@yahoo.com wrote:
>> Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
>> comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo.
> You must be annoyed that your fiancee is so fussy.
What fiancee? Fussy about what? HUH?
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Date: 23 Jun 2007 10:16:55
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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>>jcmweb@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
>>> comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo.
> Michael Warner wrote (in full):
>> You must be annoyed that your fiancee is so fussy.
Bill Sornson wrote:
> What fiancee? Fussy about what? HUH?
The OP began by asking advice on a bike as gift to fiancee. Preferably
Ergo.
A new fiancee can be cheaper. That's a 'temporary phenomenon'.
Some are (optionally) equipped with a bike when you meet. That style is
more likely found on 'club rides' than in 'taverns'.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 23 Jun 2007 09:05:01
From: bfd
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote in message
news:137qeci85d7cc22@corp.supernews.com...
>>>jcmweb@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
>>>> comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo.
>
>> Michael Warner wrote (in full):
>>> You must be annoyed that your fiancee is so fussy.
>
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> What fiancee? Fussy about what? HUH?
>
> The OP began by asking advice on a bike as gift to fiancee. Preferably
> Ergo.
>
> A new fiancee can be cheaper. That's a 'temporary phenomenon'.
>
> Some are (optionally) equipped with a bike when you meet. That style is
> more likely found on 'club rides' than in 'taverns'.
> --
OK, but getting back to the OP question, is there any Campy equipped bikes
selling for *under $1,000?* At one point, I know Marin use to spec Campy on
all of its bikes. However, looking at its website, it doesn't appear to do
that anymore. What about Bianchi or some other brand?
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Date: 24 Jun 2007 17:03:39
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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>>>> jcmweb@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
>>>>> comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo.
>>> Michael Warner wrote (in full):
>>>> You must be annoyed that your fiancee is so fussy.
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> What fiancee? Fussy about what? HUH?
> "A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> The OP began by asking advice on a bike as gift to fiancee. Preferably
>> Ergo. A new fiancee can be cheaper.
-snip flippant-
bfd wrote:
> OK, but getting back to the OP question, is there any Campy equipped bikes
> selling for *under $1,000?* At one point, I know Marin use to spec Campy on
> all of its bikes. However, looking at its website, it doesn't appear to do
> that anymore. What about Bianchi or some other brand?
Not mainstream AFAIK, not Campagnolo's area really. Other writers
suggested a few small vendors.
Another poster suggested modifying a new or vintage bike with Campagnolo
Ergos and that may be a workable solution.
New Ergo Bianchi Eros (Reynolds, carbon fork, 3x10) are $1199, some new
prior year Bianchis should be just below that, maybe $1K, depending on
size/color availability in your local area.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 16:26:03
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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Bill Sornson <askme@ask.me > wrote:
> Michael Warner wrote (in full):
>> On Thu, 21 Jun 2007 18:04:15 -0000, jcmweb@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>> Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
>>> comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo.
>
>> You must be annoyed that your fiancee is so fussy.
>
> What fiancee? Fussy about what? HUH?
*woosh*
Wait a minute. That was the sound of it going over both our heads.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough
to take it all away.
-- Barry Goldwater
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 14:56:36
From: Joe Bernard
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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On Jun 21, 2:33 pm, dvt <dvt+use...@psu.edu > wrote:
> futrino wrote:
> > Hank Wirtz wrote:
> >> One thing you could do is get a Sora-equipped bike, then get some 10-
> >> speed Ergos off of ebay, or icyclesusa.com has 10-speed pre-QS
> >> Centaurs for $150. Campy 10-speed levers index perfectly with an 8-
> >> speed Shimano setup. The last two clicks are locked out by the limit
> >> screws.
> > I am thinking of doing this for replacing my old 600 8 speed shifters.
> > they are slow shifting and I don't even use the left(I have a downtube
> > shifter for the front)
> > qustions are:
> > ----same deraileur?,
>
> Yes.
>
> > does the left have the fine adjustment?
>
> That varies... some of the newer, less expensive Campy Ergo shifters
> lost the fine adjustment feature. My 2 or 3 year old Veloce 10s Ergos
> have the fine adjustment feature.
>
> >, I do have a nice double campy
> > crank.
> > how can I tell which shifters on ebay are pre- QS?
>
> Ask the seller? I think the fine adjustment feature was lost in the 2007
> models, but I'm sure someone else will chime in with the exact year and
> models that are affected.
>
> My setup: Veloce Ergo 10s, Shimano Ultegra rear derailer, Shimano 8 spd
> cassette. It shifts well.
>
> --
> Dave
> dvt at psu dot edu
>
> Everyone confesses that exertion which brings out all the powers of body
> and mind is the best thing for us; but most people do all they can to
> get rid of it, and as a general rule nobody does much more than
> circumstances drive them to do. -Harriet Beecher Stowe, abolitionist and
> novelist (1811-1896)
QS is new for '07. The fine adjust thing is still present on '07 QS
Chorus and Record.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 13:38:35
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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On Jun 21, 1:04 pm, jcm...@yahoo.com wrote:
> So my plans to help my fiancee buy a road bike have changed a bit. I
> had originally thought that I'd get a quality used steel frameset and
> build it up with simple components I have on hand, but this idea has
> largely fallen by the wayside. Too difficult to find a good frame and
> determine the fit prior to purchase. This has led us to look at new
> bikes in the sub-$1000 range, preferably somewhere near $650-$750.
> We've just started looking, but so far her favorite is the 54cm
> Specialized Dolce followed by the medium Giant OCR 3.
>
> Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
> comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo. Does anyone have any
> suggestions? I'm in the Belmont, MA area if that makes any
> difference.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> PS- Does anyone have any experience with the Ergo-esque Sora brifter
> downshift lever vs. standard STI?
http://www.ribblecycles.co.uk/details.asp?D=X&Cat=RIBBLE&Section=XRIB&GenCode=RIBBXRIB0555
2006 Mirage 9 speed on an aluminum house brand frame from Ribble
Cycles. 340 Pounds excluding VAT plus shipping. Figure $750
delivered.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 12:12:35
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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On Jun 21, 11:04 am, jcm...@yahoo.com wrote:
> So my plans to help my fiancee buy a road bike have changed a bit. I
> had originally thought that I'd get a quality used steel frameset and
> build it up with simple components I have on hand, but this idea has
> largely fallen by the wayside. Too difficult to find a good frame and
> determine the fit prior to purchase. This has led us to look at new
> bikes in the sub-$1000 range, preferably somewhere near $650-$750.
> We've just started looking, but so far her favorite is the 54cm
> Specialized Dolce followed by the medium Giant OCR 3.
>
> Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
> comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo. Does anyone have any
> suggestions? I'm in the Belmont, MA area if that makes any
> difference.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> PS- Does anyone have any experience with the Ergo-esque Sora brifter
> downshift lever vs. standard STI?
One thing you could do is get a Sora-equipped bike, then get some 10-
speed Ergos off of ebay, or icyclesusa.com has 10-speed pre-QS
Centaurs for $150. Campy 10-speed levers index perfectly with an 8-
speed Shimano setup. The last two clicks are locked out by the limit
screws.
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 15:30:37
From: futrino
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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Hank Wirtz wrote:
>
> One thing you could do is get a Sora-equipped bike, then get some 10-
> speed Ergos off of ebay, or icyclesusa.com has 10-speed pre-QS
> Centaurs for $150. Campy 10-speed levers index perfectly with an 8-
> speed Shimano setup. The last two clicks are locked out by the limit
> screws.
>
I am thinking of doing this for replacing my old 600 8 speed shifters.
they are slow shifting and I don't even use the left(I have a downtube
shifter for the front)
qustions are:
----same deraileur?,
does the left have the fine adjustment?, I do have a nice double campy
crank.
how can I tell which shifters on ebay are pre- QS?
thanks dan
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 17:33:35
From: dvt
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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futrino wrote:
> Hank Wirtz wrote:
>> One thing you could do is get a Sora-equipped bike, then get some 10-
>> speed Ergos off of ebay, or icyclesusa.com has 10-speed pre-QS
>> Centaurs for $150. Campy 10-speed levers index perfectly with an 8-
>> speed Shimano setup. The last two clicks are locked out by the limit
>> screws.
> I am thinking of doing this for replacing my old 600 8 speed shifters.
> they are slow shifting and I don't even use the left(I have a downtube
> shifter for the front)
> qustions are:
> ----same deraileur?,
Yes.
> does the left have the fine adjustment?
That varies... some of the newer, less expensive Campy Ergo shifters
lost the fine adjustment feature. My 2 or 3 year old Veloce 10s Ergos
have the fine adjustment feature.
>, I do have a nice double campy
> crank.
> how can I tell which shifters on ebay are pre- QS?
Ask the seller? I think the fine adjustment feature was lost in the 2007
models, but I'm sure someone else will chime in with the exact year and
models that are affected.
My setup: Veloce Ergo 10s, Shimano Ultegra rear derailer, Shimano 8 spd
cassette. It shifts well.
--
Dave
dvt at psu dot edu
Everyone confesses that exertion which brings out all the powers of body
and mind is the best thing for us; but most people do all they can to
get rid of it, and as a general rule nobody does much more than
circumstances drive them to do. -Harriet Beecher Stowe, abolitionist and
novelist (1811-1896)
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Date: 21 Jun 2007 11:51:08
From: Joe Bernard
Subject: Re: Sub $1000 Ergo-Equipped Road Bike?
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On Jun 21, 11:04 am, jcm...@yahoo.com wrote:
> So my plans to help my fiancee buy a road bike have changed a bit. I
> had originally thought that I'd get a quality used steel frameset and
> build it up with simple components I have on hand, but this idea has
> largely fallen by the wayside. Too difficult to find a good frame and
> determine the fit prior to purchase. This has led us to look at new
> bikes in the sub-$1000 range, preferably somewhere near $650-$750.
> We've just started looking, but so far her favorite is the 54cm
> Specialized Dolce followed by the medium Giant OCR 3.
>
> Both bikes are equipped with STI, but I was hoping to find a
> comparably-priced bike with Campy Ergo. Does anyone have any
> suggestions? I'm in the Belmont, MA area if that makes any
> difference.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
> PS- Does anyone have any experience with the Ergo-esque Sora brifter
> downshift lever vs. standard STI?
The Bianchi Viggorelli is listed at 1300 bucks with Mirage Ergo. You
might find a discounted model, maybe an '06, if you look around.
Bianchi is the only company that makes much of an effort to spec lower
end Campy in the US. Under $750.00 you're looking at STI.
Joe
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