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Date: 14 Oct 2007 14:51:39
From: Michael Press
Subject: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
something about installing aero brake levers that I do
not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
than bending the cable as it pulls?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 05:28:34
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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On Oct 18, 5:56 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
>
> >> that it's a cable routing problem
> >> - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
> >> good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
> >> accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
>
> > Do not know yet if they are defective.
> > Experience here is uniformly positive.
>
> indeed. so maybe you fucked up?
Beamer,
If the OP didn't route the cables properly [which we don't
know], it would be better for him to spend $20 on having a
good mechanic look at it, than to spend $180 on Campy
levers and still route the cable improperly. The stuff
about life insurance is just FUD. Stick to tech in
rec.bicycles.tech, please.
Ben
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 23:02:52
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> On Oct 18, 5:56 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>
>>>> that it's a cable routing problem
>>>> - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
>>>> good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
>>>> accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
>>> Do not know yet if they are defective.
>>> Experience here is uniformly positive.
>> indeed. so maybe you fucked up?
>
> Beamer,
>
> If the OP didn't route the cables properly [which we don't
> know], it would be better for him to spend $20 on having a
> good mechanic look at it, than to spend $180 on Campy
> levers and still route the cable improperly. The stuff
> about life insurance is just FUD. Stick to tech in
> rec.bicycles.tech, please.
>
> Ben
>
er, haven't the delicate sensibilities police got bigger fish to fry?
besides, it's $160 for campy carbon levers, $30 for shimano. and health
insurance is no red herring. if you pay $250 per month for insurance,
with deductible of say $500, how on earth can anyone justify kvetching
about the price of brake levers that don't have the problem the o.p.
alleges?
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 12:08:53
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote in message
news:V-GdnXyqfvwQ1YXanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> er, haven't the delicate sensibilities police got bigger fish to fry?
>
> besides, it's $160 for campy carbon levers, $30 for shimano. and health
> insurance is no red herring. if you pay $250 per month for insurance,
> with deductible of say $500, how on earth can anyone justify kvetching
> about the price of brake levers that don't have the problem the o.p.
> alleges?
Chicken little bullshit again, and the hole just keeps getting bigger for
beamboy.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 06:17:51
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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On Oct 18, 8:01 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net > wrote:
> On Oct 18, 5:07 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 17, 6:33 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > > <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXin...@speakeasy.net>,
> > > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> > > > Michael Press wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gn...@speakeasy.net>,
> > > > > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> > > > >> Michael Press wrote:
> > > > >>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > > > >>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > > > >>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > > > >>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > > > >>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > > > >>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > > > >>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > > > >>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > > > >>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > > > >>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > > > >>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > > > >>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > > > >>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > > > >>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> > > > >> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> > > > >> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> > > > >> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> > > > >> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>
> > > > >> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> > > > >> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> > > > >> safety?
>
> > > > > One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>
> > > > how much is your medical insurance?
>
> > > You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> > > <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdn...@speakeasy.net>
>
> > > Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> > > Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> > Salesman? Perhaps jim beam is a 'nom de net'/alter ego for Grant
> > Petersen? ;-)
>
> Unlikely. Ever seen Grant recommend a Campy product? I haven't.
No, but I *have* seen The Grant sell-sell-sell, going back to the
Bridgestone days.
Salesmen sell; the exact product is pretty incidental to the act of
selling.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 06:01:44
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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On Oct 18, 5:07 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Oct 17, 6:33 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXin...@speakeasy.net>,
> > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> > > Michael Press wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gn...@speakeasy.net>,
> > > > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> > > >> Michael Press wrote:
> > > >>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > > >>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > > >>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > > >>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > > >>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > > >>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > > >>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > > >>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > > >>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > > >>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > > >>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > > >>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > > >>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > > >>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> > > >> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> > > >> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> > > >> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> > > >> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>
> > > >> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> > > >> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> > > >> safety?
>
> > > > One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>
> > > how much is your medical insurance?
>
> > You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> > <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdn...@speakeasy.net>
>
> > Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> > Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> Salesman? Perhaps jim beam is a 'nom de net'/alter ego for Grant
> Petersen? ;-)
Unlikely. Ever seen Grant recommend a Campy product? I haven't.
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 05:07:08
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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On Oct 17, 6:33 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXin...@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Michael Press wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gn...@speakeasy.net>,
> > > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Michael Press wrote:
> > >>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > >>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > >>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > >>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > >>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > >>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > >>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > >>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > >>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > >>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > >>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > >>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > >>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > >>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> > >> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> > >> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> > >> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> > >> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>
> > >> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> > >> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> > >> safety?
>
> > > One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>
> > how much is your medical insurance?
>
> You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdn...@speakeasy.net>
>
> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>
Salesman? Perhaps jim beam is a 'nom de net'/alter ego for Grant
Petersen? ;-)
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 04:55:03
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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On Oct 17, 11:24 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <NuqdnWd8McmFQIvanZ2dnUVZ_qmln...@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Michael Press wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXin...@speakeasy.net>,
> > > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> > >> Michael Press wrote:
> > >>> In article
> > >>> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gn...@speakeasy.net>,
> > >>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
> > >>>> Michael Press wrote:
> > >>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > >>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > >>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > >>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > >>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > >>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > >>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > >>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > >>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > >>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > >>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > >>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > >>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > >>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> > >>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> > >>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> > >>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> > >>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>
> > >>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> > >>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> > >>>> safety?
> > >>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
> > >> how much is your medical insurance?
>
> > > You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> > > <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdn...@speakeasy.net>
>
> > > Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> > > Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> > do you always take things so personally?
>
> Yes, I take everything personally.
>
> > are you not an autonomous
> > adult capable of making your own decisions?
>
> Good one. What do you think?
>
> > if you're having failures - you allege
>
> I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
> relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
>
> > that it's a cable routing problem
> > - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
> > good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
> > accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
>
> Do not know yet if they are defective.
> Experience here is uniformly positive.
>
> > to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
>
> All this because I said
> "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
>
> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> --
> Michael Press
Bourbon man is an apologist of all high cost popular brands that spend
lots of money in advertising to claim technological superiority of
their products. He is a critic of those in this newsgroup that
question marketing claims and are skeptical of some of the
technological claims that marketing makes of expensive products.
Whether its campy, shimano, mavic, giant or trek, if it is expensive
and has a lot of advertising behind, Bourbon man will defend it and
will advance his defense with further technological claims about the
defended product and with some progressively less subtle insults to
the critic.
Andres
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 06:05:17
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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andresmuro@aol.com wrote:
> On Oct 17, 11:24 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> In article
>> <NuqdnWd8McmFQIvanZ2dnUVZ_qmln...@speakeasy.net>,
>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>> In article
>>>> <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXin...@speakeasy.net>,
>>>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>> In article
>>>>>> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gn...@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>>> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
>>>>>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
>>>>>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
>>>>>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
>>>>>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>>>>>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>>>>>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>>>>>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
>>>>>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
>>>>>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
>>>>>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
>>>>>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
>>>>>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
>>>>>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>>>>>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
>>>>>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
>>>>>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
>>>>>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>>>>>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
>>>>>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
>>>>>>> safety?
>>>>>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>>>>> how much is your medical insurance?
>>>> You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
>>>> <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdn...@speakeasy.net>
>>>> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
>>>> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>>> do you always take things so personally?
>> Yes, I take everything personally.
>>
>>> are you not an autonomous
>>> adult capable of making your own decisions?
>> Good one. What do you think?
>>
>>> if you're having failures - you allege
>> I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
>> relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
>>
>>> that it's a cable routing problem
>>> - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
>>> good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
>>> accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
>> Do not know yet if they are defective.
>> Experience here is uniformly positive.
>>
>>> to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
>> All this because I said
>> "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
>>
>> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>>
>> --
>> Michael Press
>
> Bourbon man is an apologist of all high cost popular brands that spend
> lots of money in advertising to claim technological superiority of
> their products. He is a critic of those in this newsgroup that
> question marketing claims and are skeptical of some of the
> technological claims that marketing makes of expensive products.
> Whether its campy, shimano, mavic, giant or trek, if it is expensive
> and has a lot of advertising behind, Bourbon man will defend it and
> will advance his defense with further technological claims about the
> defended product and with some progressively less subtle insults to
> the critic.
>
> Andres
>
baaaa
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 14:36:06
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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On Oct 15, 7:06 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote:
> b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 2:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> >> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> >> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> >> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> >> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> >> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> >> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> >> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> >> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> >> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> >> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> >> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> >> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> >> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> > I haven't used these particular levers. I've not had
> > that problem with aero levers. Are you sure that the
> > cable housing is installed as far as possible into
> > the lever body? Maybe it got pulled out in the
> > process of taping it onto the bars. It might help
> > to install a lever with the hood off and operate
> > it, if you can see inside (but it might not). Is the
> > cylinder that receives the bulb end free to pivot?
> > It is on more or less every lever I've used.
>
> > It shouldn't be incredibly hard to find a decent pair
> > of Shimano aero levers for much cheaper than new
> > Campy levers, if you are willing to use one of
> > the eight zillion pairs that were taken off bikes
> > to install STIs.
>
> > Ben
>
> you need campy-style levers if you have campy calipers though - it
> contains the quick-release mechanism.
You don't necessarily need a quick release unless you use tires that
are much wider than the rims, or you want the pads to be almost
touching the rims. You can pretty much install or remove most wheels w/
o opening the quick release just by giving them a gentle push.
Andres
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 19:08:37
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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In article
<1192484166.489210.304970@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com >
,
"andresmuro@aol.com" <andresmuro@aol.com > wrote:
> On Oct 15, 7:06 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> > b...@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> > > On Oct 14, 2:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > >> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > >> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > >> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > >> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > >> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > >> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > >> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > >> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > >> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > >> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > >> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > >> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > >> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > >> than bending the cable as it pulls?
> >
> > > I haven't used these particular levers. I've not had
> > > that problem with aero levers. Are you sure that the
> > > cable housing is installed as far as possible into
> > > the lever body? Maybe it got pulled out in the
> > > process of taping it onto the bars. It might help
> > > to install a lever with the hood off and operate
> > > it, if you can see inside (but it might not). Is the
> > > cylinder that receives the bulb end free to pivot?
> > > It is on more or less every lever I've used.
> >
> > > It shouldn't be incredibly hard to find a decent pair
> > > of Shimano aero levers for much cheaper than new
> > > Campy levers, if you are willing to use one of
> > > the eight zillion pairs that were taken off bikes
> > > to install STIs.
> >
> > > Ben
> >
> > you need campy-style levers if you have campy calipers though - it
> > contains the quick-release mechanism.
>
> You don't necessarily need a quick release unless you use tires that
> are much wider than the rims, or you want the pads to be almost
> touching the rims. You can pretty much install or remove most wheels w/
> o opening the quick release just by giving them a gentle push.
Yes, that is how it works for me. Even 28 mm measured tires
can be popped in and out.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 21:05:07
From: Booker Bense
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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In article <rubrum-473FB3.14513914102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net >,
Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote:
>A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
>and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
Something is wrong with either your installation or
the levers. I have those levers on two of my bikes
and have had no problems.
_ Booker C. Bense
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 19:00:50
From: Andrew Martin
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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On Oct 14, 5:31 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <1192407502.027027.286...@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
> ,
>
>
>
>
>
> landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 14, 4:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > > and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > > They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > > cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > > cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > > the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > > pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > > Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > > something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > > not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > > breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > > to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > > levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > > than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> > > --
> > > Michael Press
>
> > [gets up and checks r200as on fixed gear bike]
>
> > They look to pull the cable straight on this bike, It's got 3K on the
> > cables, and another bike I sold had them as well, probably around 5K
> > on those cables. It certainly could be a burr or something where the
> > 'bulb' interfaces, so clean it up with a round file or suitable
> > equivalent.
>
> > If you've been sourcing the cable from the same place, try a different
> > brand--these levers aren't anything radical and certainly shouldn't be
> > eating cables.
>
> They should not, but there is a channel worn in the
> hinged cable receiver indicating that it does
> not pull the cable straight.
>
> --
> Michael Press- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I have those Tektros and have not had an issue. I checked the cables
last night for wear, and both appear fine. Perhaps they are somehow
not getting seated properly?
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 19:10:50
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
In article
<1192474850.554048.125180@v29g2000prd.googlegroups.com >
,
Andrew Martin <andrew.franklin.martin@gmail.com >
wrote:
> On Oct 14, 5:31 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <1192407502.027027.286...@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com>
> > ,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Oct 14, 4:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > > A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > > > and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > > > They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > > > cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > > > cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > > > the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > > > pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > > > Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > > > something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > > > not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > > > breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > > > to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > > > levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > > > than bending the cable as it pulls?
> >
> > > [gets up and checks r200as on fixed gear bike]
> >
> > > They look to pull the cable straight on this bike, It's got 3K on the
> > > cables, and another bike I sold had them as well, probably around 5K
> > > on those cables. It certainly could be a burr or something where the
> > > 'bulb' interfaces, so clean it up with a round file or suitable
> > > equivalent.
> >
> > > If you've been sourcing the cable from the same place, try a different
> > > brand--these levers aren't anything radical and certainly shouldn't be
> > > eating cables.
> >
> > They should not, but there is a channel worn in the
> > hinged cable receiver indicating that it does
> > not pull the cable straight.
> I have those Tektros and have not had an issue. I checked the cables
> last night for wear, and both appear fine. Perhaps they are somehow
> not getting seated properly?
Properly seated. I greased the cable receiver pivots
and will watch what happens. The worn groove should
not be there if the receivers pivot properly.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 12:00:15
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
On Oct 14, 2:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> than bending the cable as it pulls?
I haven't used these particular levers. I've not had
that problem with aero levers. Are you sure that the
cable housing is installed as far as possible into
the lever body? Maybe it got pulled out in the
process of taping it onto the bars. It might help
to install a lever with the hood off and operate
it, if you can see inside (but it might not). Is the
cylinder that receives the bulb end free to pivot?
It is on more or less every lever I've used.
It shouldn't be incredibly hard to find a decent pair
of Shimano aero levers for much cheaper than new
Campy levers, if you are willing to use one of
the eight zillion pairs that were taken off bikes
to install STIs.
Ben
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 07:22:31
From: bjw@mambo.ucolick.org
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
On Oct 14, 2:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> than bending the cable as it pulls?
I haven't used these particular levers. I've not had
that problem with aero levers. Are you sure that the
cable housing is installed as far as possible into
the lever body? Maybe it got pulled out in the
process of taping it onto the bars. It might help
to install a lever with the hood off and operate
it, if you can see inside (but it might not). Is the
cylinder that receives the bulb end free to pivot?
It is on more or less every lever I've used.
It shouldn't be incredibly hard to find a decent pair
of Shimano aero levers for much cheaper than new
Campy levers, if you are willing to use one of
the eight zillion pairs that were taken off bikes
to install STIs.
Ben
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 19:07:21
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
In article
<1192432951.905353.166650@v23g2000prn.googlegroups.com >
,
"bjw@mambo.ucolick.org" <bjw@mambo.ucolick.org >
wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> I haven't used these particular levers. I've not had
> that problem with aero levers. Are you sure that the
> cable housing is installed as far as possible into
> the lever body? Maybe it got pulled out in the
> process of taping it onto the bars. It might help
> to install a lever with the hood off and operate
> it, if you can see inside (but it might not). Is the
> cylinder that receives the bulb end free to pivot?
> It is on more or less every lever I've used.
I greased the cable receiver pivots. These levers are
pulling single pivot calipers so they get hauled on.
There was some warning to me as the amount of slack
pull increased unreasonably. It was while investigating
that the cables snapped. We shall see.
> It shouldn't be incredibly hard to find a decent pair
> of Shimano aero levers for much cheaper than new
> Campy levers, if you are willing to use one of
> the eight zillion pairs that were taken off bikes
> to install STIs.
I have Shimano on another bicycle, but prefer the
Tektro for the big fat body. A reoccurrence may induce
me to swap the Tektros to the bicycle with the dual
pivot brakes. That would be fun. Cheap Tektros on a
spiffy sport frame with skads of high-zoot equipment.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 06:06:30
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
bjw@mambo.ucolick.org wrote:
> On Oct 14, 2:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> I haven't used these particular levers. I've not had
> that problem with aero levers. Are you sure that the
> cable housing is installed as far as possible into
> the lever body? Maybe it got pulled out in the
> process of taping it onto the bars. It might help
> to install a lever with the hood off and operate
> it, if you can see inside (but it might not). Is the
> cylinder that receives the bulb end free to pivot?
> It is on more or less every lever I've used.
>
> It shouldn't be incredibly hard to find a decent pair
> of Shimano aero levers for much cheaper than new
> Campy levers, if you are willing to use one of
> the eight zillion pairs that were taken off bikes
> to install STIs.
>
> Ben
>
you need campy-style levers if you have campy calipers though - it
contains the quick-release mechanism.
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 17:18:22
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
On Oct 14, 4:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
> --
> Michael Press
[gets up and checks r200as on fixed gear bike]
They look to pull the cable straight on this bike, It's got 3K on the
cables, and another bike I sold had them as well, probably around 5K
on those cables. It certainly could be a burr or something where the
'bulb' interfaces, so clean it up with a round file or suitable
equivalent.
If you've been sourcing the cable from the same place, try a different
brand--these levers aren't anything radical and certainly shouldn't be
eating cables.
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 00:31:36
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
In article
<1192407502.027027.286000@k35g2000prh.googlegroups.com >
,
landotter <landotter@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Oct 14, 4:51 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > than bending the cable as it pulls?
> >
> > --
> > Michael Press
>
> [gets up and checks r200as on fixed gear bike]
>
> They look to pull the cable straight on this bike, It's got 3K on the
> cables, and another bike I sold had them as well, probably around 5K
> on those cables. It certainly could be a burr or something where the
> 'bulb' interfaces, so clean it up with a round file or suitable
> equivalent.
>
> If you've been sourcing the cable from the same place, try a different
> brand--these levers aren't anything radical and certainly shouldn't be
> eating cables.
They should not, but there is a channel worn in the
hinged cable receiver indicating that it does
not pull the cable straight.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 19:45:52
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
>> Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
> landotter <landotter@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [gets up and checks r200as on fixed gear bike]
>> They look to pull the cable straight on this bike, It's got 3K on the
>> cables, and another bike I sold had them as well, probably around 5K
>> on those cables. It certainly could be a burr or something where the
>> 'bulb' interfaces, so clean it up with a round file or suitable
>> equivalent.
>> If you've been sourcing the cable from the same place, try a different
>> brand--these levers aren't anything radical and certainly shouldn't be
>> eating cables.
Michael Press wrote:
> They should not, but there is a channel worn in the
> hinged cable receiver indicating that it does
> not pull the cable straight.
It may not be the source of your wire fraying, but cable carriers inside
levers benefit from a drop of oil on either side. Quiets that annoying
'creak' noise.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 15:07:37
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
Michael Press wrote:
> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>
if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
safety?
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 03:43:35
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
In article
<wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> > and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> > They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> > cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> > cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> > the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> > pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> > Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> > something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> > not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> > breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> > to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> > levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> > than bending the cable as it pulls?
> >
> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>
> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> safety?
One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 21:05:13
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>>>
>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>>
>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
>> safety?
>
> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>
how much is your medical insurance?
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Date: 17 Oct 2007 16:33:09
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
In article
<svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Press wrote:
> >>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> >>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> >>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> >>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> >>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> >>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> >>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> >>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> >>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> >>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> >>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> >>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> >>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> >>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
> >>>
> >> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> >> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> >> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> >> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
> >>
> >> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> >> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> >> safety?
> >
> > One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>
> how much is your medical insurance?
You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
<xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net >
Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 17 Oct 2007 21:12:07
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
>>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
>>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
>>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
>>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
>>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
>>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
>>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
>>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
>>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
>>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>>>>>
>>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
>>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
>>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
>>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>>>>
>>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
>>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
>>>> safety?
>>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>> how much is your medical insurance?
>
> You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>
>
> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>
do you always take things so personally? are you not an autonomous
adult capable of making your own decisions?
if you're having failures - you allege that it's a cable routing problem
- and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 10:39:56
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote in message
news:NuqdnWd8McmFQIvanZ2dnUVZ_qmlnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> Michael Press wrote:
>> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
>> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>>
>
> do you always take things so personally?
Says jim "prick" beamboy.
> are you not an autonomous adult capable of making your own decisions?
So you've just admitted you gave out bullshit advice. Great.
> to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask
> questions?
He wants answers alright, but no one wants BULLSHIT answers FROM YOU.
Fucking idiot.
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Date: 17 Oct 2007 22:24:32
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
In article
<NuqdnWd8McmFQIvanZ2dnUVZ_qmlnZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Press wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> >>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> >>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> >>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> >>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> >>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> >>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> >>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> >>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> >>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> >>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> >>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> >>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> >>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
> >>>>>
> >>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> >>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> >>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> >>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> >>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> >>>> safety?
> >>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
> >> how much is your medical insurance?
> >
> > You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> > <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>
> >
> > Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> > Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
> >
>
> do you always take things so personally?
Yes, I take everything personally.
> are you not an autonomous
> adult capable of making your own decisions?
Good one. What do you think?
> if you're having failures - you allege
I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
> that it's a cable routing problem
> - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
> good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
> accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
Do not know yet if they are defective.
Experience here is uniformly positive.
> to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
All this because I said
"One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 05:56:38
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <NuqdnWd8McmFQIvanZ2dnUVZ_qmlnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
>>>>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
>>>>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
>>>>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
>>>>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>>>>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>>>>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>>>>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
>>>>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
>>>>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
>>>>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
>>>>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
>>>>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
>>>>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
>>>>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
>>>>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
>>>>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
>>>>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
>>>>>> safety?
>>>>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>>>> how much is your medical insurance?
>>> You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
>>> <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>
>>>
>>> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
>>> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>>>
>> do you always take things so personally?
>
> Yes, I take everything personally.
that's how it would seem. with a bunch of attitude thrown in.
>
>> are you not an autonomous
>> adult capable of making your own decisions?
>
> Good one. What do you think?
doesn't look like it.
>
>> if you're having failures - you allege
>
> I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
> relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
maybe you're e.s.l?
"the cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
Are these levers a bad design?"
it's that "thought or two" that are the allegation.
>
>> that it's a cable routing problem
>> - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
>> good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
>> accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
>
> Do not know yet if they are defective.
> Experience here is uniformly positive.
indeed. so maybe you fucked up?
>
>> to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
>
> All this because I said
> "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
and how much is your health insurance? can you not afford health insurance?
>
> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
oh yes, of course. you can find me on the corner of polk and bush in sf
most evenings... you got $5?
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 05:18:54
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
In article
<6Medncu0Ev6axYranZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <NuqdnWd8McmFQIvanZ2dnUVZ_qmlnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Press wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> >>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> >>>>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> >>>>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> >>>>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> >>>>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> >>>>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> >>>>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> >>>>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> >>>>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> >>>>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> >>>>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> >>>>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> >>>>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> >>>>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> >>>>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> >>>>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> >>>>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> >>>>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> >>>>>> safety?
> >>>>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
> >>>> how much is your medical insurance?
> >>> You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> >>> <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>
> >>>
> >>> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> >>> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
> >>>
> >> do you always take things so personally?
> >
> > Yes, I take everything personally.
>
> that's how it would seem. with a bunch of attitude thrown in.
I take that personally also.
> >> are you not an autonomous
> >> adult capable of making your own decisions?
> >
> > Good one. What do you think?
>
> doesn't look like it.
>
> >> if you're having failures - you allege
> >
> > I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
> > relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
>
> maybe you're e.s.l?
>
> "the cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> Are these levers a bad design?"
>
> it's that "thought or two" that are the allegation.
Having trouble getting your verbs to agree on quantity?
I am not hesitant to assert, but my original post suggests,
does not assert. I used `indicate'.
> >> that it's a cable routing problem
> >> - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
> >> good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
> >> accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
> >
> > Do not know yet if they are defective.
> > Experience here is uniformly positive.
>
> indeed. so maybe you fucked up?
Go back to the original post where I said
"Perhaps there is something about installing
aero brake levers that I do not understand."
Can you suggest anything?
> >> to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
> >
> > All this because I said
> > "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
>
> and how much is your health insurance? can you not afford health insurance?
The hard sell.
> > Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> oh yes, of course. you can find me on the corner of polk and bush in sf
> most evenings... you got $5?
Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 22:52:19
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <6Medncu0Ev6axYranZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <NuqdnWd8McmFQIvanZ2dnUVZ_qmlnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
>>>>>>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
>>>>>>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
>>>>>>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
>>>>>>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>>>>>>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>>>>>>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>>>>>>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
>>>>>>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
>>>>>>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
>>>>>>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
>>>>>>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
>>>>>>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
>>>>>>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
>>>>>>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
>>>>>>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
>>>>>>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
>>>>>>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
>>>>>>>> safety?
>>>>>>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>>>>>> how much is your medical insurance?
>>>>> You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
>>>>> <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
>>>>> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>>>>>
>>>> do you always take things so personally?
>>> Yes, I take everything personally.
>> that's how it would seem. with a bunch of attitude thrown in.
>
> I take that personally also.
wow. how do you ever leave the house?
>
>>>> are you not an autonomous
>>>> adult capable of making your own decisions?
>>> Good one. What do you think?
>> doesn't look like it.
>>
>>>> if you're having failures - you allege
>>> I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
>>> relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
>> maybe you're e.s.l?
>>
>> "the cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>> Are these levers a bad design?"
>>
>> it's that "thought or two" that are the allegation.
>
> Having trouble getting your verbs to agree on quantity?
> I am not hesitant to assert, but my original post suggests,
> does not assert. I used `indicate'.
[waffle]
>
>>>> that it's a cable routing problem
>>>> - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
>>>> good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
>>>> accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
>>> Do not know yet if they are defective.
>>> Experience here is uniformly positive.
>> indeed. so maybe you fucked up?
>
> Go back to the original post where I said
>
> "Perhaps there is something about installing
> aero brake levers that I do not understand."
>
> Can you suggest anything?
yes. check the barrel into which you're trying to seat the cable end.
it sounds like it's rotated at 180 to what it should be.
>
>>>> to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
>>> All this because I said
>>> "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
>> and how much is your health insurance? can you not afford health insurance?
>
> The hard sell.
why? and why avoid the question? it's very benign - i ask because it
amazes me that a few bucks would be an issue on bike component purchase,
but taking risks with your health seems ok, even though it can cost a
lot more. where is the logic?
>
>>> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>> oh yes, of course. you can find me on the corner of polk and bush in sf
>> most evenings... you got $5?
>
> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>
you already got the answer you deserved.
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 06:29:02
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
In article
<S9-dnStoQ9-O24XanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net >,
jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote:
> Michael Press wrote:
> > In article
> > <6Medncu0Ev6axYranZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> > jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Press wrote:
> >>> In article
> >>> <NuqdnWd8McmFQIvanZ2dnUVZ_qmlnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> >>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> >>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>>>> In article
> >>>>>>> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> >>>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
> >>>>>>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
> >>>>>>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
> >>>>>>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
> >>>>>>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> >>>>>>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> >>>>>>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> >>>>>>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
> >>>>>>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
> >>>>>>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
> >>>>>>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
> >>>>>>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
> >>>>>>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
> >>>>>>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
> >>>>>>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
> >>>>>>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
> >>>>>>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
> >>>>>>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
> >>>>>>>> safety?
> >>>>>>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
> >>>>>> how much is your medical insurance?
> >>>>> You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> >>>>> <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> >>>>> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
> >>>>>
> >>>> do you always take things so personally?
> >>> Yes, I take everything personally.
> >> that's how it would seem. with a bunch of attitude thrown in.
> >
> > I take that personally also.
>
> wow. how do you ever leave the house?
>
>
> >
> >>>> are you not an autonomous
> >>>> adult capable of making your own decisions?
> >>> Good one. What do you think?
> >> doesn't look like it.
> >>
> >>>> if you're having failures - you allege
> >>> I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
> >>> relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
> >> maybe you're e.s.l?
> >>
> >> "the cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
> >> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
> >> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
> >> Are these levers a bad design?"
> >>
> >> it's that "thought or two" that are the allegation.
> >
> > Having trouble getting your verbs to agree on quantity?
> > I am not hesitant to assert, but my original post suggests,
> > does not assert. I used `indicate'.
>
> [waffle]
>
>
> >
> >>>> that it's a cable routing problem
> >>>> - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
> >>>> good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
> >>>> accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
> >>> Do not know yet if they are defective.
> >>> Experience here is uniformly positive.
> >> indeed. so maybe you fucked up?
> >
> > Go back to the original post where I said
> >
> > "Perhaps there is something about installing
> > aero brake levers that I do not understand."
> >
> > Can you suggest anything?
>
> yes. check the barrel into which you're trying to seat the cable end.
> it sounds like it's rotated at 180 to what it should be.
>
>
>
> >
> >>>> to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
> >>> All this because I said
> >>> "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
> >> and how much is your health insurance? can you not afford health insurance?
> >
> > The hard sell.
>
> why? and why avoid the question? it's very benign - i ask because it
> amazes me that a few bucks would be an issue on bike component purchase,
> but taking risks with your health seems ok, even though it can cost a
> lot more. where is the logic?
>
>
> >
> >>> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
> >> oh yes, of course. you can find me on the corner of polk and bush in sf
> >> most evenings... you got $5?
> >
> > Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>
> you already got the answer you deserved.
Then I know everything I need to evaluate your advice.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 18 Oct 2007 23:45:27
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
Michael Press wrote:
> In article
> <S9-dnStoQ9-O24XanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>
>> Michael Press wrote:
>>> In article
>>> <6Medncu0Ev6axYranZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> <NuqdnWd8McmFQIvanZ2dnUVZ_qmlnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> <svmdnSMWN85ke4_anZ2dnUVZ_vXinZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>> <wrednbCU5O-3Do_anZ2dnUVZ_t-gnZ2d@speakeasy.net>,
>>>>>>>>> jim beam <spamvortex@bad.example.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Press wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> A few months ago I installed Tektro R200A brake levers
>>>>>>>>>>> and new cables. Yesterday both brake cables broke.
>>>>>>>>>>> They broke at the plane between the bulb and the
>>>>>>>>>>> cylinder of the end piece. The hinged reciever for the
>>>>>>>>>>> cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>>>>>>>>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>>>>>>>>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>>>>>>>>>>> Are these levers a bad design? Perhaps there is
>>>>>>>>>>> something about installing aero brake levers that I do
>>>>>>>>>>> not understand. I cannot continue with a system that
>>>>>>>>>>> breaks brake cables every few months, and I do not want
>>>>>>>>>>> to put back the old style levers. Will I have to buy
>>>>>>>>>>> levers that actually pull the cable straight rather
>>>>>>>>>>> than bending the cable as it pulls?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> if it really is bending the cable as it pulls, that is a fundamental
>>>>>>>>>> problem and guaranteed to cause fatigue. you could try using a higher
>>>>>>>>>> quality cable less prone to fatigue, like genuine campy or shimano, but
>>>>>>>>>> this will only buy you an extended change interval, not solve the problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> best solution, imo, is to use the genuine campy levers of this style.
>>>>>>>>>> significantly more expensive of course, but what worth is your personal
>>>>>>>>>> safety?
>>>>>>>>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>>>>>>>> how much is your medical insurance?
>>>>>>> You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
>>>>>>> <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
>>>>>>> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> do you always take things so personally?
>>>>> Yes, I take everything personally.
>>>> that's how it would seem. with a bunch of attitude thrown in.
>>> I take that personally also.
>> wow. how do you ever leave the house?
>>
>>
>>>>>> are you not an autonomous
>>>>>> adult capable of making your own decisions?
>>>>> Good one. What do you think?
>>>> doesn't look like it.
>>>>
>>>>>> if you're having failures - you allege
>>>>> I alleged nothing. Described events, reported observations,
>>>>> relayed a thought or two, asked for help.
>>>> maybe you're e.s.l?
>>>>
>>>> "the cable end piece is chafed by the cable indicating that
>>>> the brake lever mechanism bends the cable rather than
>>>> pulling the cable straight out of the cable housing.
>>>> Are these levers a bad design?"
>>>>
>>>> it's that "thought or two" that are the allegation.
>>> Having trouble getting your verbs to agree on quantity?
>>> I am not hesitant to assert, but my original post suggests,
>>> does not assert. I used `indicate'.
>> [waffle]
>>
>>
>>>>>> that it's a cable routing problem
>>>>>> - and if the levers are defective, then use something /known/ to be
>>>>>> good. campy are a solution that are /known/ to be good /and/ they also
>>>>>> accommodate calipers without their own q.r. mechanism. simple.
>>>>> Do not know yet if they are defective.
>>>>> Experience here is uniformly positive.
>>>> indeed. so maybe you fucked up?
>>> Go back to the original post where I said
>>>
>>> "Perhaps there is something about installing
>>> aero brake levers that I do not understand."
>>>
>>> Can you suggest anything?
>> yes. check the barrel into which you're trying to seat the cable end.
>> it sounds like it's rotated at 180 to what it should be.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>> to put it another way however, if you don't want answers, why ask questions?
>>>>> All this because I said
>>>>> "One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive."
>>>> and how much is your health insurance? can you not afford health insurance?
>>> The hard sell.
>> why? and why avoid the question? it's very benign - i ask because it
>> amazes me that a few bucks would be an issue on bike component purchase,
>> but taking risks with your health seems ok, even though it can cost a
>> lot more. where is the logic?
>>
>>
>>>>> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>>>> oh yes, of course. you can find me on the corner of polk and bush in sf
>>>> most evenings... you got $5?
>>> Have you ever earned a livelihood as a salesman?
>> you already got the answer you deserved.
>
> Then I know everything I need to evaluate your advice.
>
given that you've experienced repeated cable failure but only seem
intent on ad hominem argument on topics that have no relevance
whatsoever, even when spoon-fed working solutions, how would you like
your darwin award candidacy announced? "he who could not be told"? or
"he who could not filter what others learned at grade school"?
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Date: 19 Oct 2007 12:10:57
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
|
"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote in message
news:MNydneFVfaIVz4XanZ2dnUVZ_uGknZ2d@speakeasy.net...
> but only seem intent on ad hominem argument on topics that have no
> relevance whatsoever, even when spoon-fed working solutions,
Rich, beamboy, very rich indeed.
> how would you like your darwin award candidacy announced? "he who could
> not be told"? or "he who could not filter what others learned at grade
> school"?
Well, for you, it's "he who bullshits most and lies most extravagantly".
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Date: 17 Oct 2007 21:04:23
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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"Michael Press" <rubrum@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:rubrum-801521.16330917102007@newsclstr03.news.prodigy.net...
> You questioned my choice of Campagnolo 1010 dropouts in
> <xN-dnZUIopenpGrbnZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@speakeasy.net>
>
> Now you invoke the hard sell for Campagnolo brake levers.
> Do you earn a livelihood as a salesman?
Nah, beamboy's just being a contrarian despite the facts.
Hey beamboy, got an example yet of a structure using composite adhesives as
the main load bearing component? What about composite adhesives that last
as long as metals?
And, uh, what about an aerospace company using the sound of breaking CF as
damage inspection technique?
Idiot.
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Date: 16 Oct 2007 23:11:05
From: Jambo
Subject: Re: Tektro brake lever problem (?)
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"jim beam" <spamvortex@bad.example.net > wrote in message
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>> One-hundred-eighty dollars. Yes, that is more expensive.
>>
>
> how much is your medical insurance?
Yeah, chicken little, fraudulent fucktard.
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