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Date: 09 Sep 2007 12:25:36
From: Jim Martin
Subject: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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Hello All:
Today I had an odd thing happen with my rear Record Ergo shifter: it
would not down shift (go to larger cogs). The lever simply would not
move. I ended up getting it to shift by pulling on the exposed cable
along the downtube with my left hand and shifting with my right. This
was quite a task and I sort-of had to hit the up shift lever first and
then push the lever for the down shift. The two levers seemed to somehow
be interacting. My efforts probably provided entertainment for other
riders.
Later in the ride it worked fine.
Now I would like to take steps to correct this issue. The group is from
the fall of 2000 so I suppose it could be either a 2000 or 2001 model.
Not sure and not sure how to tell. It is 9sp. I have done no maintenance
whatsoever to the shifters in the 7 years I have the bike and it has
always performed perfectly until today.
Anyone want to suggest a few steps to help me figure this thing out?
Lube it? Rebuild it? Send it to Vecchio's?
Thanks in advance,
Jim
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 05:45:59
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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On Sep 9, 4:42 pm, Jim Martin <jmar...@xmission.com > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.comwrote:
> > Undoubtedly it locked up because the thumb button didn't come all the
>
> > way up. Could be hood/bar tape fouling it, thumb button return spring
> > weak/broken, teeny spring in thumb button return not working due to
> > corrosion..After all that time, a rebuild would probably be a good
> > idea. Send it to me for a 1 day turnaround.
>
> Thanks! How about if I try to nurse it along till the end of the riding
> season here in Salt Lake City. Look for it around Thanksgiving.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jim
Might try to both trim the hood around the thumb button, make the
'slot' larger, ensure the bar tape isn't around the shift guts and
spray a little lube on the hinge of the thumb button.
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 07:57:38
From: Jim Martin
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> Might try to both trim the hood around the thumb button, make the
> 'slot' larger, ensure the bar tape isn't around the shift guts and
> spray a little lube on the hinge of the thumb button.
Thanks! Checked for clearance and lubed yesterday and have been unable
to get the lockup to repeat.
Cheers,
Jim
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 21:25:21
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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Jim Martin wrote:
> Today I had an odd thing happen with my rear Record Ergo shifter: it
> would not down shift (go to larger cogs). The lever simply would not
> move. I ended up getting it to shift by pulling on the exposed cable
> along the downtube with my left hand and shifting with my right. This
> was quite a task and I sort-of had to hit the up shift lever first and
> then push the lever for the down shift. The two levers seemed to somehow
> be interacting. My efforts probably provided entertainment for other
> riders.
>
> Later in the ride it worked fine.
>
> Now I would like to take steps to correct this issue. The group is from
> the fall of 2000 so I suppose it could be either a 2000 or 2001 model.
> Not sure and not sure how to tell. It is 9sp. I have done no maintenance
> whatsoever to the shifters in the 7 years I have the bike and it has
> always performed perfectly until today.
>
> Anyone want to suggest a few steps to help me figure this thing out?
> Lube it? Rebuild it? Send it to Vecchio's?
Look for a simple problem with the thumb lever return - corrosion is
likely on the thumb lever pivot/return spring. Try a drop of oil and
work the lever a few times. Thumb lever bent? Lever cover jammed in the
slot? Usually a small external issue.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 20:28:22
From: Jim Martin
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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A Muzi wrote:
> Look for a simple problem with the thumb lever return - corrosion is
> likely on the thumb lever pivot/return spring. Try a drop of oil and
> work the lever a few times. Thumb lever bent? Lever cover jammed in the
> slot? Usually a small external issue.
Thanks! I have looked and can't find any obvious problem and now and
cannot get it to lock up again. Have applied lube to all the moving
parts so we'll hope it works till the off season when I can send it off
to Vecchio's.
Cheers,
Jim
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 17:00:07
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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In article <fc1dqq$ovv$1@news.xmission.com >,
Jim Martin <jmartin@xmission.com > wrote:
> Hello All:
>
> Today I had an odd thing happen with my rear Record Ergo shifter: it
> would not down shift (go to larger cogs). The lever simply would not
> move. I ended up getting it to shift by pulling on the exposed cable
> along the downtube with my left hand and shifting with my right. This
> was quite a task and I sort-of had to hit the up shift lever first and
> then push the lever for the down shift. The two levers seemed to somehow
> be interacting. My efforts probably provided entertainment for other
> riders.
>
> Later in the ride it worked fine.
>
> Now I would like to take steps to correct this issue. The group is from
> the fall of 2000 so I suppose it could be either a 2000 or 2001 model.
> Not sure and not sure how to tell. It is 9sp. I have done no maintenance
> whatsoever to the shifters in the 7 years I have the bike and it has
> always performed perfectly until today.
>
> Anyone want to suggest a few steps to help me figure this thing out?
> Lube it? Rebuild it? Send it to Vecchio's?
Rinse with copious quantities of a penetrating lubricant.
Not WD40.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 14:41:38
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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On Sep 9, 12:25 pm, Jim Martin <jmar...@xmission.com > wrote:
> Hello All:
>
> Today I had an odd thing happen with my rear Record Ergo shifter: it
> would not down shift (go to larger cogs). The lever simply would not
> move. I ended up getting it to shift by pulling on the exposed cable
> along the downtube with my left hand and shifting with my right. This
> was quite a task and I sort-of had to hit the up shift lever first and
> then push the lever for the down shift. The two levers seemed to somehow
> be interacting. My efforts probably provided entertainment for other
> riders.
>
> Later in the ride it worked fine.
>
> Now I would like to take steps to correct this issue. The group is from
> the fall of 2000 so I suppose it could be either a 2000 or 2001 model.
> Not sure and not sure how to tell. It is 9sp. I have done no maintenance
> whatsoever to the shifters in the 7 years I have the bike and it has
> always performed perfectly until today.
>
> Anyone want to suggest a few steps to help me figure this thing out?
> Lube it? Rebuild it? Send it to Vecchio's?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Jim
Undoubtedly it locked up because the thumb button didn't come all the
way up. Could be hood/bar tape fouling it, thumb button return spring
weak/broken, teeny spring in thumb button return not working due to
corrosion..After all that time, a rebuild would probably be a good
idea. Send it to me for a 1 day turnaround.
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 16:42:09
From: Jim Martin
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com wrote:
> Undoubtedly it locked up because the thumb button didn't come all the
> way up. Could be hood/bar tape fouling it, thumb button return spring
> weak/broken, teeny spring in thumb button return not working due to
> corrosion..After all that time, a rebuild would probably be a good
> idea. Send it to me for a 1 day turnaround.
Thanks! How about if I try to nurse it along till the end of the riding
season here in Salt Lake City. Look for it around Thanksgiving.
Cheers,
Jim
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 14:57:12
From: H. Guy
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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In article <fc1dqq$ovv$1@news.xmission.com >, Jim Martin <jmartin@xmission.com>
wrote:
> Hello All:
>
> Today I had an odd thing happen with my rear Record Ergo shifter: it
> would not down shift (go to larger cogs). The lever simply would not
> move. I ended up getting it to shift by pulling on the exposed cable
> along the downtube with my left hand and shifting with my right. This
> was quite a task and I sort-of had to hit the up shift lever first and
> then push the lever for the down shift. The two levers seemed to somehow
> be interacting. My efforts probably provided entertainment for other
> riders.
with ergo, if the thumb lever isn't fully "home", it can lock the
other lever. i'd recommend lubing the pivot of the thumb button. i
have similar problems with my left shifter, because i gunk up the
inside of that pivot at least once a year. fold the hood up over
the button, hit it with some wd-40 to degunk it, work it well and
then oil it and work it again.
just a guess though.
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 17:00:51
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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In article
<HelpfulGuy-C7CA48.14571209092007@forte.vsrv-sjc.supern
ews.net >,
"H. Guy" <HelpfulGuy@helpfulplace.org > wrote:
> In article <fc1dqq$ovv$1@news.xmission.com>, Jim Martin <jmartin@xmission.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello All:
> >
> > Today I had an odd thing happen with my rear Record Ergo shifter: it
> > would not down shift (go to larger cogs). The lever simply would not
> > move. I ended up getting it to shift by pulling on the exposed cable
> > along the downtube with my left hand and shifting with my right. This
> > was quite a task and I sort-of had to hit the up shift lever first and
> > then push the lever for the down shift. The two levers seemed to somehow
> > be interacting. My efforts probably provided entertainment for other
> > riders.
>
> with ergo, if the thumb lever isn't fully "home", it can lock the
> other lever. i'd recommend lubing the pivot of the thumb button. i
> have similar problems with my left shifter, because i gunk up the
> inside of that pivot at least once a year. fold the hood up over
> the button, hit it with some wd-40 to degunk it, work it well and
> then oil it and work it again.
>
> just a guess though.
But not WD40 because that will gunk it up quickly.
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Michael Press
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 13:07:16
From: Jim Martin
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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H. Guy wrote:
> with ergo, if the thumb lever isn't fully "home", it can lock the
> other lever.
That sounds like what I experienced. Will try some lube.
Thanks,
Jim
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 14:58:56
From: Ben C
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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On 2007-09-09, Jim Martin <jmartin@xmission.com > wrote:
> H. Guy wrote:
>> with ergo, if the thumb lever isn't fully "home", it can lock the
>> other lever.
>
> That sounds like what I experienced. Will try some lube.
I've also had the downshift lever temporarily lock like that once or
twice. I think I just changed up and then changed down again and it was
OK after that.
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 22:22:42
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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Ben C wrote:
> On 2007-09-09, Jim Martin <jmartin@xmission.com> wrote:
>> H. Guy wrote:
>>> with ergo, if the thumb lever isn't fully "home", it can lock the
>>> other lever.
>> That sounds like what I experienced. Will try some lube.
>
> I've also had the downshift lever temporarily lock like that once or
> twice. I think I just changed up and then changed down again and it was
> OK after that.
Same here. I doesn't worry me but I like to know what causes it though.
Lou
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 14:10:36
From: Jim Martin
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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Ben C wrote:
> I've also had the downshift lever temporarily lock like that once or
> twice. I think I just changed up and then changed down again and it was
> OK after that.
Interesting. My lockup was not quite as easy to get rid of as that. Now
that it has started working again I cannot get it to lock up. I suppose
that's good news.
Thanks,
Jim
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 14:49:41
From:
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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My guess is the cable has a broken strand near the end and it's jamming
things up.
Marcus
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 21:29:46
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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marcus9000@gmail.com wrote:
> My guess is the cable has a broken strand near the end and it's jamming
> things up.
That's true, it could be a frayed gear wire but the frayed bits sticking
in one's hand are an early warning!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 10 Sep 2007 09:08:05
From:
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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A Muzi wrote:
> marcus9000@gmail.com wrote:
>> My guess is the cable has a broken strand near the end and it's
>> jamming things up.
>
> That's true, it could be a frayed gear wire but the frayed bits sticking
> in one's hand are an early warning!
A good point....ow!
Where's all this red stuff on the bar tape coming from?
Marcus
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Date: 09 Sep 2007 13:05:51
From: Jim Martin
Subject: Re: Temporary lockup of Campy Record Ergo Shifter
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marcus9000@gmail.com wrote:
> My guess is the cable has a broken strand near the end and it's jamming
> things up.
That seems like a really good suggestion but I can not see any frayed
cable.
I have just removed the hood for a better view and nothing is obviously
broken but it is all completely dry. Grease it up?
Thanks,
Jim
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