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Date: 06 Jun 2007 14:42:00
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Subject: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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http://oldroads.com/pqdb_img.asp?p=fdbdown.asp?707&mod=&mak=Ivel
"This is an 1887 cross frame Ivel bicycle. Built in Biggleswade
England, by Dan Albone.Owner is Ian Verrall of Waihi, New Zealand.
There are only 6 of these left world wide."
No, the photo isn't reversed--the monster spoon brake lever is on the
normal right-hand side.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 01:59:17
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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On Jun 6, 1:42 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> http://oldroads.com/pqdb_img.asp?p=fdbdown.asp?707&mod=&mak=Ivel
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> "This is an 1887 cross frame Ivel bicycle. Built in Biggleswade
> England, by Dan Albone.Owner is Ian Verrall of Waihi, New Zealand.
> There are only 6 of these left world wide."
>
> No, the photo isn't reversed--the monster spoon brake lever is on the
> normal right-hand side.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
OF COURSE Sheldon's got something relevant in his garage:
http://sheldonbrown.org/gunnar/index.html
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:59:57
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Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:00 -0600, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>http://oldroads.com/pqdb_img.asp?p=fdbdown.asp?707&mod=&mak=Ivel
>
>"This is an 1887 cross frame Ivel bicycle. Built in Biggleswade
>England, by Dan Albone.Owner is Ian Verrall of Waihi, New Zealand.
>There are only 6 of these left world wide."
>
>No, the photo isn't reversed--the monster spoon brake lever is on the
>normal right-hand side.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Carl Fogel
Dear David,
Curiously, Ivel was the British bicycle equivalent of Lamborghini. The
company was more famous for its sturdy turn-of-the-century tractors
than its exotic bicycles:
http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp
The Ivel's inventor, Dan Albone, was penalized for the scandalous use
of illegal high-tech equipment in a bicycle race:
"In 1890 Dan was penalised 46 m (50 yards) for using a cycle with
pneumatic tyres in a half mile open race."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Albone
Such desperate characters might well rely on fragile bike designs that
didn't last long!
Actually, production runs were limited and many bikes were devoured by
the scrap-metal drives of the First World War, so it's common for
these curious bikes to be as scarce as hen's teeth.
In fact, thick-wire cantilever frames were widespread. Sharp's
"Bicycle & Tricycles" shows a dozen or so bizarre designs in its frame
chapter, with tensioned wires replacing down tubes and chain stays.
But even the lavish use of normal tubing is no guarantee of a
normal-looking bicycle, as the Dursley-Pedersen demonstrates:
http://www.dursley-pedersen.net/originals/various_img/1906_1/dursley1906a_big.jpg
The D-P is sorta-kinda a pre-Moulton.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 01:00:56
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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<carlfogel@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:ieve639nm9qlborjespi7gabgvk270e6du@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:42:00 -0600, carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>
> >http://oldroads.com/pqdb_img.asp?p=fdbdown.asp?707&mod=&mak=Ivel
> >
> >"This is an 1887 cross frame Ivel bicycle. Built in Biggleswade
> >England, by Dan Albone.Owner is Ian Verrall of Waihi, New Zealand.
> >There are only 6 of these left world wide."
> >
> >No, the photo isn't reversed--the monster spoon brake lever is on the
> >normal right-hand side.
> >
> >Cheers,
> >
> >Carl Fogel
>
> Dear David,
>
> Curiously, Ivel was the British bicycle equivalent of Lamborghini. The
> company was more famous for its sturdy turn-of-the-century tractors
> than its exotic bicycles:
>
> http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp
>
> The Ivel's inventor, Dan Albone, was penalized for the scandalous use
> of illegal high-tech equipment in a bicycle race:
>
> "In 1890 Dan was penalised 46 m (50 yards) for using a cycle with
> pneumatic tyres in a half mile open race."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Albone
>
> Such desperate characters might well rely on fragile bike designs that
> didn't last long!
>
> Actually, production runs were limited and many bikes were devoured by
> the scrap-metal drives of the First World War, so it's common for
> these curious bikes to be as scarce as hen's teeth.
>
> In fact, thick-wire cantilever frames were widespread. Sharp's
> "Bicycle & Tricycles" shows a dozen or so bizarre designs in its frame
> chapter, with tensioned wires replacing down tubes and chain stays.
>
> But even the lavish use of normal tubing is no guarantee of a
> normal-looking bicycle, as the Dursley-Pedersen demonstrates:
>
>
http://www.dursley-pedersen.net/originals/various_img/1906_1/dursley1906a_big.jpg
>
> The D-P is sorta-kinda a pre-Moulton.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
One slip and you're in deep trouble....
Chas.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 23:26:49
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> http://oldroads.com/pqdb_img.asp?p=fdbdown.asp?707&mod=&mak=Ivel
>
> "This is an 1887 cross frame Ivel bicycle. Built in Biggleswade
> England, by Dan Albone.Owner is Ian Verrall of Waihi, New Zealand.
> There are only 6 of these left world wide."
>
> No, the photo isn't reversed--the monster spoon brake lever is on the
> normal right-hand side.
Elegant-looking design, independent of the left-side drive. But the
near-absence of chainstays and the single tube instead of a top tube and
downtube makes me wonder about --- maybe the rest all broke at the
junction of the seattube with the downtube/rear stays.
--
David L. Johnson
It is a scientifically proven fact that a mid life crisis can only be
cured by something racy and Italian. Bianchis and Colnagos are a lot
cheaper than Maserattis and Ferraris.
-- Glenn Davies
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 21:30:53
From: =?ISO-8859-9?Q?Kir=E1ly?=
Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> http://oldroads.com/pqdb_img.asp?p=fdbdown.asp?707&mod=&mak=Ivel
>
> "This is an 1887 cross frame Ivel bicycle. Built in Biggleswade
> England, by Dan Albone.Owner is Ian Verrall of Waihi, New Zealand.
> There are only 6 of these left world wide."
>
> No, the photo isn't reversed--the monster spoon brake lever is on the
> normal right-hand side.
This is nothing new. From Sheldon Brown's site:
"There are also observable national trends: In countries where vehicles
drive on the right, it is common to set the brakes up so that the front
brake is operated by the left lever.
"In countries where vehicles drive on the left, it is common to set the
brakes up so that the front brake is operated by the right lever."
Here in Canada, traffic travels on the right side of the road. I have my
right lever operating my front brake, contrary to the national standard.
That way I can brake and signal at the same time.
--
K.
Lang may your lum reek.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 15:53:06
From:
Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 21:30:53 GMT, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) wrote:
>carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>> http://oldroads.com/pqdb_img.asp?p=fdbdown.asp?707&mod=&mak=Ivel
>>
>> "This is an 1887 cross frame Ivel bicycle. Built in Biggleswade
>> England, by Dan Albone.Owner is Ian Verrall of Waihi, New Zealand.
>> There are only 6 of these left world wide."
>>
>> No, the photo isn't reversed--the monster spoon brake lever is on the
>> normal right-hand side.
>
>This is nothing new. From Sheldon Brown's site:
>
>"There are also observable national trends: In countries where vehicles
>drive on the right, it is common to set the brakes up so that the front
>brake is operated by the left lever.
>
>"In countries where vehicles drive on the left, it is common to set the
>brakes up so that the front brake is operated by the right lever."
>
>Here in Canada, traffic travels on the right side of the road. I have my
>right lever operating my front brake, contrary to the national standard.
>That way I can brake and signal at the same time.
Dear K,
The brake lever shows that the photo is not reversed--all spoon brakes
were on the right.
The _drive_ is on the wrong side, meaning the chain.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 01:50:05
From: =?ISO-8859-9?Q?Kir=E1ly?=
Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> The brake lever shows that the photo is not reversed--all spoon brakes
> were on the right.
>
> The _drive_ is on the wrong side, meaning the chain.
Oops! Now I feel silly for not noticing that. :)
--
K.
Lang may your lum reek.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 20:36:29
From:
Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:50:05 GMT, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) wrote:
>carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
>> The brake lever shows that the photo is not reversed--all spoon brakes
>> were on the right.
>>
>> The _drive_ is on the wrong side, meaning the chain.
>
>Oops! Now I feel silly for not noticing that. :)
Dear K,
To be fair, the monster spoon-brake lever on the right is what catches
the viewer's attention in that picture, not the sprocket.
I felt considerably sillier recently--I must have seen spoon brake
levers before in various books, but somehow I never really noticed
them until James Thomson posted a link to this picture:
http://woment.mur.at/images/GrazerDamenBicycleClub.jpg
The actual spoons are small and hidden behind the enormous tires, so I
was baffled by the enormous levers. Kinder and better-informed RBT
regulars had to explain the obvious to me.
I don't know why the spoon brake levers are always on the right, but
it seems to be a rigid custom. Maybe someone will find a picture
showing a left-hand spoon brake lever, but I'll want to check the
buttons on any clothes in the photograph, lest it be a reversed
photograph like the famous one of Billy the Kid.
It may be just a matter of the right hand usually being stronger and
the huge but primitive brake demanding a python-like squeeze to
produce any results. Despite the giant lever, the spoon just presses
down on the top of the tire, unlike modern pads pushing toward each
other from the side.
I long to sneak a push-down spoon brake into either a wheel-ejection
thread or else introduce the monster levers into a debate about
handlebars fatiguing.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 07 Jun 2007 00:53:51
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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<carlfogel@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:7pqe63p968rjq5c2sjod4r7v1b1c74bih3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 01:50:05 GMT, me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) wrote:
>
> >carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> >> The brake lever shows that the photo is not reversed--all spoon
brakes
> >> were on the right.
> >>
> >> The _drive_ is on the wrong side, meaning the chain.
> >
> >Oops! Now I feel silly for not noticing that. :)
>
> Dear K,
>
> To be fair, the monster spoon-brake lever on the right is what catches
> the viewer's attention in that picture, not the sprocket.
>
> I felt considerably sillier recently--I must have seen spoon brake
> levers before in various books, but somehow I never really noticed
> them until James Thomson posted a link to this picture:
>
> http://woment.mur.at/images/GrazerDamenBicycleClub.jpg
>
> The actual spoons are small and hidden behind the enormous tires, so I
> was baffled by the enormous levers. Kinder and better-informed RBT
> regulars had to explain the obvious to me.
>
> I don't know why the spoon brake levers are always on the right, but
> it seems to be a rigid custom. Maybe someone will find a picture
> showing a left-hand spoon brake lever, but I'll want to check the
> buttons on any clothes in the photograph, lest it be a reversed
> photograph like the famous one of Billy the Kid.
>
> It may be just a matter of the right hand usually being stronger and
> the huge but primitive brake demanding a python-like squeeze to
> produce any results. Despite the giant lever, the spoon just presses
> down on the top of the tire, unlike modern pads pushing toward each
> other from the side.
>
> I long to sneak a push-down spoon brake into either a wheel-ejection
> thread or else introduce the monster levers into a debate about
> handlebars fatiguing.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
It looks like Fräulein Mitzi (second from the right) has what might be the
earliest knobbies....
Chas.
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Date: 06 Jun 2007 19:25:57
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: The British drive on the wrong side in more ways than one
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"Király" <me@home.spamsucks.ca > wrote in message
news:hvJ9i.9547$kY6.6503@edtnps82...
> carlfogel@comcast.net wrote:
> > The brake lever shows that the photo is not reversed--all spoon brakes
> > were on the right.
> >
> > The _drive_ is on the wrong side, meaning the chain.
>
> Oops! Now I feel silly for not noticing that. :)
>
> --
> K.
>
> Lang may your lum reek.
http://everything.blockstackers.com/index.pl?node_id=1796068
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