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Date: 23 Aug 2007 13:05:34
From: DougA
Subject: Ti frame care
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I just got my first Ti frame. It has some shop worn scratches on the top
tube. Must it be sent back to Seven for a polish? Any tips on Ti/Carbon
frame care would be great!
douga
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 14:30:24
From: Scott Gordo
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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On Aug 23, 9:16 pm, "Larry" <m...@you.net > wrote:
> Just one question I have tried 2 high end titanium frames and don't want to
> mention the brands so I don't get accused of product bashing. After riding
> sever carbon frames (With the exclusion of Trek Madone which was horrible,
> could not resist that bash) why would anyone choose titanium over carbon. I
> just can't see any reason.
My MTB is a mid-90s, 20" Litespeed Ocoee. I raced it when I was
younger and lighter, and pound the trails with it now that I'm older
and 220lbs. I've crashed it in rocks/trees/etc, oh, 20 or 30 times?
Maybe more? It has ground it's way up Mount Snow and white knuckled
down Plattekill's sport DH route. After gradually replacing the forks,
bars, stem, bb, cranks, pedals, seatpost, saddle, plus all those
crashes, I still trust the frame.
Every steel frame I have (mtb, road, track) wears a ding somewhere,
and I bent the top tub on an aluminum Spesh XC in a week. And I'd
consider myself an average (if heavy) XC kind of rider. Like I said,
not a sign of significant damage to the Ocoee.
Maybe I'm misguided, or maybe it has all been luck: if I put a carbon
bike through the exact same treatment, I might be surprised and
impressed with it's toughness and resiliency. But would I still TRUST
it not to suddenly come apart on me on a rocky downhill?
Hmm....
Titanium ain't the lightest, or stiffest, or -est anything anymore.
But for me it was an excellent investment. I've been tempted by other
bikes I've ridden which were very nice, but I just don't have a good
rationale to get rid of the Ocoee.
/s
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 01:45:05
From: Donga
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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On Aug 24, 2:21 pm, "DougA" <do...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I have only had a Ti bike for a few days but like it more than my C-40
> already.
I don't doubt it for a second. It's a Seven?
I also feel very smug when other cyclists are whimpering over a paint
scratch. Who needs 50 grams of paint? Pffft.
Donga
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 18:28:19
From: Donga
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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On Aug 24, 11:16 am, "Larry" <m...@you.net > wrote:
> Just one question I have tried 2 high end titanium frames and don't want to
> mention the brands so I don't get accused of product bashing. After riding
> sever carbon frames (With the exclusion of Trek Madone which was horrible,
> could not resist that bash) why would anyone choose titanium over carbon. I
> just can't see any reason.
They bounce, for starters.
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Date: 24 Aug 2007 04:21:21
From: DougA
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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Good way of putting it simply!
Carbon seems to kill the feel of the road, the spring is lost, it can't be
repaired and now it has lost it's "magic" as everyone and their dog are
making it in China.
I have only had a Ti bike for a few days but like it more than my C-40
already.
"Donga" <idomybestworkonabike@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1187918899.344790.32910@x40g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
> On Aug 24, 11:16 am, "Larry" <m...@you.net> wrote:
>> Just one question I have tried 2 high end titanium frames and don't want
>> to
>> mention the brands so I don't get accused of product bashing. After
>> riding
>> sever carbon frames (With the exclusion of Trek Madone which was
>> horrible,
>> could not resist that bash) why would anyone choose titanium over carbon.
>> I
>> just can't see any reason.
>
> They bounce, for starters.
>
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 21:16:21
From: Larry
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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Just one question I have tried 2 high end titanium frames and don't want to
mention the brands so I don't get accused of product bashing. After riding
sever carbon frames (With the exclusion of Trek Madone which was horrible,
could not resist that bash) why would anyone choose titanium over carbon. I
just can't see any reason.
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 19:28:06
From: Helmut Springer
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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Larry <me@you.net > wrote:
> why would anyone choose titanium over carbon. I just can't see any
> reason.
For Ti I have an idea about failure mode, damage signs and
tolerances. For CF I haven't, at least not in a any cost-effective
way. Going over rough roads I prefer to know why I trust my frame
and fork...
--
MfG/Best regards
helmut springer panta rhei
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Date: 26 Aug 2007 10:55:18
From: Dennis P. Harris
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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On Thu, 23 Aug 2007 21:16:21 -0400 in rec.bicycles.tech, "Larry"
<me@you.net > wrote:
> why would anyone choose titanium over carbon. I
> just can't see any reason.
because ti frames don't shatter without warning. because you
can't inhale cancer-causing particles if the frame is damaged.
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 13:33:31
From: Donga
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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On Aug 24, 3:19 am, "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu >
wrote:
> unforgive...@juno.com wrote:
> > To keep finger prints from showing on brushed Ti, wipe the frame down
> > after cleaning with something wax based like furniture polish or chain
> > lube.
I have four Ti frames, two polished, one 'dull' and one matt (OK, I
have issues to resolve). I went through all of this cleaning business.
Then I realised the best answer is to get a life. Spend the polishing
time on riding a few extra kays or loving your partner/gf/kids. You
have a frame that laughs at the elements. Sell your wet weather bike.
Hose your Ti bike down gently after a rain ride. When it's dirty,
clean it with kerosene on a paintbrush and hose off the grease
emulsion. Put most of the effort into the drive train. If really
obsessive, follow that up with some carwash detergent and a hose. Then
get straight back to that life and don't even look at the 'marks'.
Donga
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 08:02:07
From:
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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On Aug 23, 10:21 am, "DougA" <do...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> How do I tell if it is brushed or polished? It does stain from
> fingerprints. Does polished have a mirror finish? I can't see myself in
> the frame...
>
> "David L. Johnson" <david.john...@lehigh.edu> wrote in messagenews:HYWdnXgxMv52CVDbnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net...
>
> > DougA wrote:
> >> I just got my first Ti frame. It has some shop worn scratches on the top
> >> tube. Must it be sent back to Seven for a polish? Any tips on Ti/Carbon
> >> frame care would be great!
>
> > If it's a brushed finish then the scratches can be taken out by rubbing it
> > with one of those green scrubbie things used in the kitchen. If it's
> > polished, you will have no end of imperfections, scratches, fingerprints,
> > etc. A friend of mine has a polished ti frame, and hates the maintenance.
> > Mine's brushed. Maintenance? I sometimes scrape the dirt off, and it
> > looks fine.
>
> > --
>
> > David L. Johnson
>
> > It doesn't get any easier, you just go faster.
> > --Greg LeMond
To keep finger prints from showing on brushed Ti, wipe the frame down
after cleaning with something wax based like furniture polish or chain
lube.
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 13:19:51
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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unforgiven99@juno.com wrote:
> To keep finger prints from showing on brushed Ti, wipe the frame down
> after cleaning with something wax based like furniture polish or chain
> lube.
>
Or a greasy rag.
--
David L. Johnson
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by
little statesmen and philosophers and divines."
--Ralph Waldo Emerson
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 07:53:57
From: rick b
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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A clean polished frame acts like a mirror. A brushed frame shows only
a fuzzy reflection at best.
On my brushed frame, I just wipe fingerprints, dried sweat, gatorade
and dirt off with one of those wet wipes designed to remove grease.
On Aug 23, 9:21 am, "DougA" <do...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> How do I tell if it is brushed or polished? It does stain from
> fingerprints. Does polished have a mirror finish? I can't see myself in
> the frame...
>
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 10:09:24
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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DougA wrote:
> I just got my first Ti frame. It has some shop worn scratches on the top
> tube. Must it be sent back to Seven for a polish? Any tips on Ti/Carbon
> frame care would be great!
If it's a brushed finish then the scratches can be taken out by rubbing
it with one of those green scrubbie things used in the kitchen. If it's
polished, you will have no end of imperfections, scratches,
fingerprints, etc. A friend of mine has a polished ti frame, and hates
the maintenance. Mine's brushed. Maintenance? I sometimes scrape the
dirt off, and it looks fine.
--
David L. Johnson
It doesn't get any easier, you just go faster.
--Greg LeMond
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 14:21:37
From: DougA
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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How do I tell if it is brushed or polished? It does stain from
fingerprints. Does polished have a mirror finish? I can't see myself in
the frame...
"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu > wrote in message
news:HYWdnXgxMv52CVDbnZ2dnUVZ_g6dnZ2d@ptd.net...
> DougA wrote:
>> I just got my first Ti frame. It has some shop worn scratches on the top
>> tube. Must it be sent back to Seven for a polish? Any tips on Ti/Carbon
>> frame care would be great!
>
> If it's a brushed finish then the scratches can be taken out by rubbing it
> with one of those green scrubbie things used in the kitchen. If it's
> polished, you will have no end of imperfections, scratches, fingerprints,
> etc. A friend of mine has a polished ti frame, and hates the maintenance.
> Mine's brushed. Maintenance? I sometimes scrape the dirt off, and it
> looks fine.
>
> --
>
> David L. Johnson
>
> It doesn't get any easier, you just go faster.
> --Greg LeMond
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Date: 23 Aug 2007 17:30:00
From: Tim McTeague
Subject: Re: Ti frame care
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"DougA" <douga@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:RJgzi.83809$fJ5.10739@pd7urf1no...
> How do I tell if it is brushed or polished? It does stain from
> fingerprints. Does polished have a mirror finish? I can't see myself in
> the frame...
Seven only does a brushed finish. Here is what they suggest:
"It's quite possible that your frame might get scratched simply from normal
usage. Try Scotch Brite Grade A (very fine) to remove surface scratches from
your frame by gently polishing perpendicular to the length of the tube. You
may notice that the area you've polished is shinier than the rest of the
frame, and that's O.K.: Titanium oxidizes over time, resulting in a darker
shade of gray. The shiny spot is temporary, and will, in time, match the
rest of the frame. Although we have yet to see a crack propagate as the
result of dents or gouges-even those from major crashes-you should have your
frame checked by your dealer if you experience any serious damage."
Tim McTeague
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