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Date: 05 Sep 2007 16:44:27
From:
Subject: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
The new Sequoia line is due to be available sometime in September
2007.

Same question for the baseline version of its racier cousin, the
Specialized Roubaix? The baseline (I hate to call it "entry level")
has an aluminum frame, with carbon seatstays and fork.

Bill

Date: 25 Sep 2007 23:20:01
From: Juan Tonagon
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

I feel your pain, Bill :-(

Am also looking at a 2008 Spec. Sequoia Comp vs. Spec. Roubaix
'baseline' triple... Seems like the wheel set (Shimano RS-10's?) is
better than those on the Roubaix, both with 105 all around, and (at
least in theory) a more relaxed geometry for easier ride...

Done a lot of research, and for whatever that little bit of extra
info may or may not be worth - I would also like to know what the
weights of both bikes are :-). I respect folks opinions, and
largely agree, but I'd still like the info... what, we're not
allowed to ask or get this info? I'm not into being told what I may
ask for.

Will go to a nearby LBS and get back to you with the weights. This
LBS simply puts a bike on the scale when asked, and lets the
requester look - no hassle, no good, no bad - just another piece of
data.

Cheers!

--
Via: http://www.jumlers.com/rec.bicycles.tech/

Date: 06 Sep 2007 21:07:03
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 6, 3:53 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 3:36 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Sep 6, 3:04 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 6, 8:28 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > This weight thing is outta hand and just plain silly: In June, I went
> > > > > on a local club-organized century/metric century. I rode my vintage
> > > > > Motobecane because it suited my mood; at the start, another rider
> > > > > admired the leather handlebar cover, then asked, with a sraight face
> > > > > and serous tone: "What's the weight penalty?".
>
> > > > 15#, mostly PBR, mackerels, and pasta with white beans--but delicious
> > > > and worth it!
>
> > > > As far as the bike, I've wanted to restore me up one of those classic
> > > > Motobecanes since I kept seeing a couples' locked up by Navy Pier
> > > > every time I rode by. Restored to be a rider, not a garage queen, so
> > > > it would be befouled by some Japanoparts.
>
> > > Viva Japanoparts! My Moto has a French saddle (Ideale 92) and headset
> > > (Stronglight). The rest is a mix of Shimano stuff with the exception
> > > of a pair of MA-2 rims and Cinelli bar and stem (modified to fit the
> > > French steerer tube.
>
> > I'm guessing that's far more complicated than grinding down a JIS fork
> > crown, which is my most wacky mod on that bike region.
>
> Did you use a crown race cutter? Or some other method..........

Nah, old race came off easy with an old screwdriver and a mallet, then
ground down till it fit a standard 1" race.

>
> As for the stem, it only needs to go from 22.2mm to 22mm. About an
> hours work, total, including polishing, etc.

Bench grinder and a polishing wheel. Along with beer, you can
accomplish much!

Date: 06 Sep 2007 13:57:26
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 6, 3:46 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 10:34 am, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > > I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> > > never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> > > expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
> > > The new Sequoia line is due to be available sometime in September
> > > 2007.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Yup, serves me right for bringing up the "W" word. Just one semi-
> > serious and respectful reply from 9 responses. Kind of blows away my
> > otherwise positive impression of this technical group. After pawing
> > through all the other tangible specifications, it would be nice to
> > have this tidbit of info to add to my purchase decision, but no such
> > luck.
>
> > And the dealer? He avoids discussing bicycle weight also. Guess I'll
> > have to bring my fish scales into the shop if I really want to find an
> > answer before purchase.
>
> I think my friend Todd Fahrner put it very well this way:
>
> "Asking how much a beautiful, sensible, comfortable bike weighs
> is like asking a beautiful, sensible, easygoing person the
> dimensions of their sex organs. Especially if you ask in the
> first 30
> seconds. It's not that you can't be curious, but it's sort of a
> vulgar
> preoccupation whose real significance to happiness is vastly
> overstated." (Fromhttp://clevercycles.com/?p=193)
>
> Of course, if your bike-object of desire is neither beautiful, nor
> sensible, nor easygoing, nor comfortable-- if in fact it has no other
> virtues beyond how much it weighs-- then your keen interest in the
> matter makes more sense.
>

IOW, if the bike is an ugly, logo-festooned, souless piece of mass
produced welded metal and CFRP, the weight is the last refuge of
satisfaction.

Date: 06 Sep 2007 13:53:56
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 6, 3:36 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 3:04 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 6, 8:28 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > This weight thing is outta hand and just plain silly: In June, I went
> > > > on a local club-organized century/metric century. I rode my vintage
> > > > Motobecane because it suited my mood; at the start, another rider
> > > > admired the leather handlebar cover, then asked, with a sraight face
> > > > and serous tone: "What's the weight penalty?".
>
> > > 15#, mostly PBR, mackerels, and pasta with white beans--but delicious
> > > and worth it!
>
> > > As far as the bike, I've wanted to restore me up one of those classic
> > > Motobecanes since I kept seeing a couples' locked up by Navy Pier
> > > every time I rode by. Restored to be a rider, not a garage queen, so
> > > it would be befouled by some Japanoparts.
>
> > Viva Japanoparts! My Moto has a French saddle (Ideale 92) and headset
> > (Stronglight). The rest is a mix of Shimano stuff with the exception
> > of a pair of MA-2 rims and Cinelli bar and stem (modified to fit the
> > French steerer tube.
>
> I'm guessing that's far more complicated than grinding down a JIS fork
> crown, which is my most wacky mod on that bike region.

Did you use a crown race cutter? Or some other method..........?

As for the stem, it only needs to go from 22.2mm to 22mm. About an
hours work, total, including polishing, etc.

Date: 06 Sep 2007 20:46:16
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 6, 10:34 am, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> > never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> > expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
> > The new Sequoia line is due to be available sometime in September
> > 2007.
>
<snip >
>
> Yup, serves me right for bringing up the "W" word. Just one semi-
> serious and respectful reply from 9 responses. Kind of blows away my
> otherwise positive impression of this technical group. After pawing
> through all the other tangible specifications, it would be nice to
> have this tidbit of info to add to my purchase decision, but no such
> luck.
>
> And the dealer? He avoids discussing bicycle weight also. Guess I'll
> have to bring my fish scales into the shop if I really want to find an
> answer before purchase.

I think my friend Todd Fahrner put it very well this way:

"Asking how much a beautiful, sensible, comfortable bike weighs
is like asking a beautiful, sensible, easygoing person the
dimensions of their sex organs. Especially if you ask in the
first 30
seconds. It's not that you can't be curious, but it's sort of a
vulgar
preoccupation whose real significance to happiness is vastly
overstated." (From http://clevercycles.com/?p=193)

Of course, if your bike-object of desire is neither beautiful, nor
sensible, nor easygoing, nor comfortable-- if in fact it has no other
virtues beyond how much it weighs-- then your keen interest in the
matter makes more sense.

Chalo

Date: 08 Sep 2007 14:26:58
From: Mark
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

Chalo wrote:
>
> I think my friend Todd Fahrner put it very well this way:
>
> "Asking how much a beautiful, sensible, comfortable bike weighs
> is like asking a beautiful, sensible, easygoing person the
> dimensions of their sex organs. Especially if you ask in the
> first 30
> seconds. It's not that you can't be curious, but it's sort of a
> vulgar
> preoccupation whose real significance to happiness is vastly
> overstated." (From http://clevercycles.com/?p=193)

Thanks, Chalo. That puts it very well.

Mark J.

Date: 06 Sep 2007 20:36:15
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 6, 3:04 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 8:28 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > This weight thing is outta hand and just plain silly: In June, I went
> > > on a local club-organized century/metric century. I rode my vintage
> > > Motobecane because it suited my mood; at the start, another rider
> > > admired the leather handlebar cover, then asked, with a sraight face
> > > and serous tone: "What's the weight penalty?".
>
> > 15#, mostly PBR, mackerels, and pasta with white beans--but delicious
> > and worth it!
>
> > As far as the bike, I've wanted to restore me up one of those classic
> > Motobecanes since I kept seeing a couples' locked up by Navy Pier
> > every time I rode by. Restored to be a rider, not a garage queen, so
> > it would be befouled by some Japanoparts.
>
> Viva Japanoparts! My Moto has a French saddle (Ideale 92) and headset
> (Stronglight). The rest is a mix of Shimano stuff with the exception
> of a pair of MA-2 rims and Cinelli bar and stem (modified to fit the
> French steerer tube.

I'm guessing that's far more complicated than grinding down a JIS fork
crown, which is my most wacky mod on that bike region.

Date: 06 Sep 2007 13:04:48
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 6, 8:28 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 8:06 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 6, 7:31 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
> > <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> > > On Sep 5, 9:16 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > "landotter" <landot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >news:1189042155.576346.273940@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > > On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
> > > > >> I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> > > > >> never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> > > > >> expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
>
> > > > > Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
> > > > > to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
> > > > > prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
> > > > > ah ha ha ha ha!
>
> > > > We get it... you think that riders who focus of the weight of their bikes
> > > > are silly.
>
> > > Focusing on other things makes more sense but are harder to have an
> > > effect on..like rider weight, rider bike fit, rider fitness and
> > > rider's training finesse. Bike weight is the most easily measured, and
> > > most often (over)emphasized, the easiest to market. If one bike is
> > > just lighter than another doesn't make it an automaic choice
>
> > This weight thing is outta hand and just plain silly: In June, I went
> > on a local club-organized century/metric century. I rode my vintage
> > Motobecane because it suited my mood; at the start, another rider
> > admired the leather handlebar cover, then asked, with a sraight face
> > and serous tone: "What's the weight penalty?".
>
> 15#, mostly PBR, mackerels, and pasta with white beans--but delicious
> and worth it!
>
> As far as the bike, I've wanted to restore me up one of those classic
> Motobecanes since I kept seeing a couples' locked up by Navy Pier
> every time I rode by. Restored to be a rider, not a garage queen, so
> it would be befouled by some Japanoparts.

Viva Japanoparts! My Moto has a French saddle (Ideale 92) and headset
(Stronglight). The rest is a mix of Shimano stuff with the exception
of a pair of MA-2 rims and Cinelli bar and stem (modified to fit the
French steerer tube). Oh, and the jen-u-wine elkhide bar cover.

>
> For most of us tootin' around, weight ain't jack. When I sold my
> single/7 20# road bike and started riding my 23.5# fixie for fun and
> fitness--I got faster, because it was shinier. Couple months ago I
> switched from ultra stiff road shoes to mtb dogs I can doseedoe in,
> which should be slower, as they're flexier--but no, I got faster. I
> think it was going from laces to aerovelcro.
>
> I've also noticed a 1/2mph speed increase between a Columbus Steel cap
> and a Gerolsteiner logo'd model. Can't tell you which one--gotta keep
> an edge!

Date: 06 Sep 2007 16:26:48
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 6, 9:25 am, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote in
> messagenews:1189081861.782524.7950@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > On Sep 5, 9:16 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "landotter" <landot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1189042155.576346.273940@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
> >> >> I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> >> >> never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> >> >> expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
>
> >> > Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
> >> > to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
> >> > prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
> >> > ah ha ha ha ha!
>
> >> We get it... you think that riders who focus of the weight of their bikes
> >> are silly.
>
> > Focusing on other things makes more sense but are harder to have an
> > effect on..like rider weight, rider bike fit, rider fitness and
> > rider's training finesse. Bike weight is the most easily measured, and
> > most often (over)emphasized, the easiest to market. If one bike is
> > just lighter than another doesn't make it an automaic choice.
>
> Of course you are right, and my main bike weighs over 29 pounds but IMO the
> anti weight people as just as focused.

No, I don't actively go around not weighing my components. You sound
like the Evangelical that accuses non-theists of having their own
faith system. ;-)

>Why do we care that another rider
> cares about the weight, cost, # gears, or material that the bike is made
> from?

Some of us like to temper the focus on weight--as another poster
mentioned, people obsess about it a bit much, because it's an easily
quantifiable number. Of course I'd prefer to ride a bike with 425g OPs
and 250g tires on a century instead of a pound or two more--but if I'm
buying a sport bike a pound or two overall doesn't and shouldn't mean
jack in my decision making--unless it's the absolute final arbiter of
what to purchase.

Date: 06 Sep 2007 08:34:15
From:
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 5, 7:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
> I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
> The new Sequoia line is due to be available sometime in September
> 2007.
>
> Same question for the baseline version of its racier cousin, the
> Specialized Roubaix? The baseline (I hate to call it "entry level")
> has an aluminum frame, with carbon seatstays and fork.
>
> Bill

Yup, serves me right for bringing up the "W" word. Just one semi-
serious and respectful reply from 9 responses. Kind of blows away my
otherwise positive impression of this technical group. After pawing
through all the other tangible specifications, it would be nice to
have this tidbit of info to add to my purchase decision, but no such
luck.

And the dealer? He avoids discussing bicycle weight also. Guess I'll
have to bring my fish scales into the shop if I really want to find an
answer before purchase.

Bill

Date: 06 Sep 2007 15:28:21
From: catzz66
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

WSArmstron@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> Yup, serves me right for bringing up the "W" word. Just one semi-
> serious and respectful reply from 9 responses. Kind of blows away my
> otherwise positive impression of this technical group. After pawing
> through all the other tangible specifications, it would be nice to
> have this tidbit of info to add to my purchase decision, but no such
> luck.
>
> And the dealer? He avoids discussing bicycle weight also. Guess I'll
> have to bring my fish scales into the shop if I really want to find an
> answer before purchase.
>
>

It is interesting to know bike weight, but not that practical an
everyday statistic. If you are like me, the first thing I do with a new
bike anyway is to mount my favorite computer, lights, reflector,
tool/supply pouch on it. Some people here are not that tactful, but
their point is well made. The best way for most of us to reduce the
weight of the overall rider/bike package is to exercise and reduce our
own weight.

Date: 06 Sep 2007 13:28:28
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 6, 8:06 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 7:31 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
>
>
> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 5, 9:16 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > "landotter" <landot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1189042155.576346.273940@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
> > > >> I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> > > >> never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> > > >> expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
>
> > > > Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
> > > > to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
> > > > prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
> > > > ah ha ha ha ha!
>
> > > We get it... you think that riders who focus of the weight of their bikes
> > > are silly.
>
> > Focusing on other things makes more sense but are harder to have an
> > effect on..like rider weight, rider bike fit, rider fitness and
> > rider's training finesse. Bike weight is the most easily measured, and
> > most often (over)emphasized, the easiest to market. If one bike is
> > just lighter than another doesn't make it an automaic choice
>
> This weight thing is outta hand and just plain silly: In June, I went
> on a local club-organized century/metric century. I rode my vintage
> Motobecane because it suited my mood; at the start, another rider
> admired the leather handlebar cover, then asked, with a sraight face
> and serous tone: "What's the weight penalty?".

15#, mostly PBR, mackerels, and pasta with white beans--but delicious
and worth it!

As far as the bike, I've wanted to restore me up one of those classic
Motobecanes since I kept seeing a couples' locked up by Navy Pier
every time I rode by. Restored to be a rider, not a garage queen, so
it would be befouled by some Japanoparts.

For most of us tootin' around, weight ain't jack. When I sold my
single/7 20# road bike and started riding my 23.5# fixie for fun and
fitness--I got faster, because it was shinier. Couple months ago I
switched from ultra stiff road shoes to mtb dogs I can doseedoe in,
which should be slower, as they're flexier--but no, I got faster. I
think it was going from laces to aerovelcro.

I've also noticed a 1/2mph speed increase between a Columbus Steel cap
and a Gerolsteiner logo'd model. Can't tell you which one--gotta keep
an edge!

Date: 06 Sep 2007 06:06:04
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 6, 7:31 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Sep 5, 9:16 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "landotter" <landot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1189042155.576346.273940@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
> > >> I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> > >> never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> > >> expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
>
> > > Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
> > > to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
> > > prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
> > > ah ha ha ha ha!
>
> > We get it... you think that riders who focus of the weight of their bikes
> > are silly.
>
> Focusing on other things makes more sense but are harder to have an
> effect on..like rider weight, rider bike fit, rider fitness and
> rider's training finesse. Bike weight is the most easily measured, and
> most often (over)emphasized, the easiest to market. If one bike is
> just lighter than another doesn't make it an automaic choice

This weight thing is outta hand and just plain silly: In June, I went
on a local club-organized century/metric century. I rode my vintage
Motobecane because it suited my mood; at the start, another rider
admired the leather handlebar cover, then asked, with a sraight face
and serous tone: "What's the weight penalty?". Good Gawd! This is a 30
year old, 24lb bike - Who cares????

Date: 06 Sep 2007 05:31:01
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 5, 9:16 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> "landotter" <landot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1189042155.576346.273940@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
> >> I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> >> never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> >> expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
>
> > Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
> > to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
> > prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
> > ah ha ha ha ha!
>
> We get it... you think that riders who focus of the weight of their bikes
> are silly.

Focusing on other things makes more sense but are harder to have an
effect on..like rider weight, rider bike fit, rider fitness and
rider's training finesse. Bike weight is the most easily measured, and
most often (over)emphasized, the easiest to market. If one bike is
just lighter than another doesn't make it an automaic choice.

Date: 06 Sep 2007 07:25:00
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

"Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com" <peter@vecchios.com > wrote in
message news:1189081861.782524.7950@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 9:16 pm, "Frank Drackman" <frankdr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "landotter" <landot...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1189042155.576346.273940@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
>> >> I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
>> >> never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
>> >> expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
>>
>> > Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
>> > to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
>> > prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
>> > ah ha ha ha ha!
>>
>> We get it... you think that riders who focus of the weight of their bikes
>> are silly.
>
> Focusing on other things makes more sense but are harder to have an
> effect on..like rider weight, rider bike fit, rider fitness and
> rider's training finesse. Bike weight is the most easily measured, and
> most often (over)emphasized, the easiest to market. If one bike is
> just lighter than another doesn't make it an automaic choice.
>

Of course you are right, and my main bike weighs over 29 pounds but IMO the
anti weight people as just as focused. Why do we care that another rider
cares about the weight, cost, # gears, or material that the bike is made
from?

Date: 06 Sep 2007 03:18:17
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 5, 8:56 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Sep 5, 8:29 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > > I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> > > never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> > > expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
>
> > Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
> > to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
> > prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
> > ah ha ha ha ha!
>
> Must be those PEDs, eh? ;-)

32 Vicodins and a B12 shot...now gimme a double ristretto marked with
cream!

Date: 05 Sep 2007 18:56:57
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 5, 8:29 pm, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> > never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> > expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
>
> Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
> to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
> prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
> ah ha ha ha ha!

Must be those PEDs, eh? ;-)

Date: 06 Sep 2007 01:29:15
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
> I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
> never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
> expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?

Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
ah ha ha ha ha!

Date: 05 Sep 2007 20:16:19
From: Frank Drackman
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp

"landotter" <landotter@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1189042155.576346.273940@r29g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> On Sep 5, 6:44 pm, WSArmst...@aol.com wrote:
>> I may wish I did not bring up the "W" word, but bicycle manufacturers
>> never like to include weight on their spec sheets. What should I
>> expect for the weight of a 2008 Specialized Sequoia Comp, size 58 cm?
>
> Are you carrying it up stairs or parceling it out in capsules and need
> to calculate the weight to satisfy your dealer? It's fucking light,
> prolly round 20 pounds, and I'll still pass you on my 23 pounder. Muh
> ah ha ha ha ha!
>

We get it... you think that riders who focus of the weight of their bikes
are silly.

Date: 06 Sep 2007 01:19:59
From: bdbafh
Subject: Re: Weight for Specialized Sequoia Comp