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Date: 02 Sep 2007 22:52:27
From: Robert Lorenzini
Subject: Wheel build
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I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
than DA will make me look better.
Bob
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Date: 04 Sep 2007 08:12:50
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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On Sep 3, 8:14 am, "almost_f...@yahoo.com" <almost_f...@yahoo.com >
wrote:
> On Sep 3, 8:00 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
>
> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
> > On Sep 2, 4:52 pm, Robert Lorenzini <b...@newportharbornet.com> wrote:
>
> > > I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
> > > was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
> > > warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
> > > or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
> > > than DA will make me look better.
>
> > > Bob
>
> > Any wheel w/o cracked rims will make you look better than the guy
> > stranded on the side of the road. Warranty these things, ebay them and
> > have a good wheelbuilder make you a set of wheels that won't 'crack
> > rims'. If ya gotta look good, use colored rims from Velocity-
>
> What's so bad about cracked spoke holes in a rim? I mean, sure, a
> crack means the wheel has failed. But the way I look at it, that's a
> pretty benign failure mode. What if rims *never* cracked, then what's
> the next failure mode? Blown out sidewalls? That seems more dangerous
> than spoke hole cracks.
One caused by poor design, in this case by shimano and one caused by
riding your bicycle. It may be benign, but it should not happen on a
well designed and built wheel. Checking the sidewalls of your rims in
the normal course of preflighting your bike will prevent 'blown out
sidewalls'.
>
> Isn't mileage to failure perhaps a more meaningful measure of a
> wheel's durability than what the failure mode is?
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 16:41:49
From: Patrick Lamb
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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On 2 Sep 2007 22:52:27 GMT, Robert Lorenzini
<bob@newportharbornet.com > wrote:
>I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
>was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
>warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
>or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
>than DA will make me look better.
My personal opinion is that the manufacturers should be held
responsible for putting out crap; therefore, if the wheels are still
under warranty, I'd make them pay to fix the wheels. Otherwise,
you've got lots of opinions on how to proceed.
Pat
Email address works as is.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 16:41:54
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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almost_f...@yahoo.com wrote:
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> Isn't mileage to failure perhaps a more meaningful measure of a
> wheel's durability than what the failure mode is?
I'd say it's pound-miles. But wheel durability is a relative thing
that depends on where you live.
Despite assertions, not everybody's wheels will eventually wear out
their sidewalls if ridden far enough-- that us largely a factor of
local weather and soil conditions. I've ridden lots of miles in two
places-- Austin and Seattle. Austin has limestone-based soil, and
gets almost all its rain in the form of Biblical thundershowers (which
purge the streets clean of practically everything). If you don't want
to ride in the rain, you can usually just wait it out. As a result,
rims here last long enough to die from something besides sidewall
wear. I have a front wheel with about 35,000 miles on it that still
has its hard anodizing almost entirely intact. Only riding in the mud
causes folks here to have much sidewall wear.
In Seattle, the soil is granitic, and the rain comes in the form of an
eight-month-long session of drizzle (though the total annual
precipitation is about the same as Austin's). Everything gets coated
with a film of filth, not washed clean. You have to ride in it, if
you want to ride outside the summer months. So folks who do ride a
lot of miles inevitably wear out their rims if they use rim brakes.
(They also trash their axle bearings early and often.) I didn't
personally lose any rims to abrasion, but I use heavy rims-- and I
spread out my miles among approximately 20 bikes, some of them hub-
braked, during the almost six years I lived there.
Susceptibility to spoke bed cracking will be a bigger concern to folks
in a place like Austin than those in a place like Seattle, simply
because it's more likely to be the thing that takes their wheels out
of service in an expensive way.
Chalo
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 07:14:05
From: almost_fast@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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On Sep 3, 8:00 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
<pe...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Sep 2, 4:52 pm, Robert Lorenzini <b...@newportharbornet.com> wrote:
>
> > I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
> > was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
> > warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
> > or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
> > than DA will make me look better.
>
> > Bob
>
> Any wheel w/o cracked rims will make you look better than the guy
> stranded on the side of the road. Warranty these things, ebay them and
> have a good wheelbuilder make you a set of wheels that won't 'crack
> rims'. If ya gotta look good, use colored rims from Velocity-
What's so bad about cracked spoke holes in a rim? I mean, sure, a
crack means the wheel has failed. But the way I look at it, that's a
pretty benign failure mode. What if rims *never* cracked, then what's
the next failure mode? Blown out sidewalls? That seems more dangerous
than spoke hole cracks.
Isn't mileage to failure perhaps a more meaningful measure of a
wheel's durability than what the failure mode is?
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 07:36:45
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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almost_fast@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sep 3, 8:00 am, "Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com"
> <pe...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>> On Sep 2, 4:52 pm, Robert Lorenzini <b...@newportharbornet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
>>> was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
>>> warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
>>> or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
>>> than DA will make me look better.
>>> Bob
>> Any wheel w/o cracked rims will make you look better than the guy
>> stranded on the side of the road. Warranty these things, ebay them and
>> have a good wheelbuilder make you a set of wheels that won't 'crack
>> rims'. If ya gotta look good, use colored rims from Velocity-
>
> What's so bad about cracked spoke holes in a rim? I mean, sure, a
> crack means the wheel has failed. But the way I look at it, that's a
> pretty benign failure mode. What if rims *never* cracked, then what's
> the next failure mode? Blown out sidewalls? That seems more dangerous
> than spoke hole cracks.
>
> Isn't mileage to failure perhaps a more meaningful measure of a
> wheel's durability than what the failure mode is?
>
heretic!!! burn the unbeliever!
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 06:00:13
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo-www.vecchios.com
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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On Sep 2, 4:52 pm, Robert Lorenzini <b...@newportharbornet.com > wrote:
> I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
> was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
> warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
> or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
> than DA will make me look better.
>
> Bob
Any wheel w/o cracked rims will make you look better than the guy
stranded on the side of the road. Warranty these things, ebay them and
have a good wheelbuilder make you a set of wheels that won't 'crack
rims'. If ya gotta look good, use colored rims from Velocity-
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 17:02:16
From: Kenny
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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On Sep 3, 6:52 am, Robert Lorenzini <b...@newportharbornet.com > wrote:
> I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
> was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
> warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
> or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
> than DA will make me look better.
>
> Bob
Since money doesn't seem to be a concern of yours, try rebuilding with
Zipp rims.
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 01:16:13
From: Robert Lorenzini
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 17:02:16 -0700, Kenny <Postoasted@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 3, 6:52 am, Robert Lorenzini <b...@newportharbornet.com> wrote:
>> I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
>> was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
>> warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
>> or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
>> than DA will make me look better.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Since money doesn't seem to be a concern of yours, try rebuilding with
> Zipp rims.
>
I will take that into consideration. Thanks
Bob
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 00:00:20
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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Robert Lorenzini wrote:
> I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
> was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
> warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
> or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
> than DA will make me look better.
Better than choady wannabe-racer gear? For a start, you could try,
umm, well... anything else. Maybe ask Ron Hardin if he has any old
leftover Huffy wheels with frozen spokes, for instance. Or cruise the
local alleys on trash day to see if someone has thrown out some wheels
that are more tasteful that what you've got.
If you are looking to throw some good money after bad, there are lots
of options. Here are just a few examples of things that would be a
big improvement over what you have been using:
http://www.insanesoundsandcustoms.com/images/26_144_spoke.jpg
http://www.quickspeed.us/home.php?cat=60
http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/1260-5.jpg
http://www.yellowjersey.org/ogkmag.jpg
Chalo
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 01:11:01
From: Robert Lorenzini
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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On Mon, 03 Sep 2007 00:00:20 -0000, Chalo <chalo.colina@gmail.com > wrote:
> Robert Lorenzini wrote:
>> I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
>> was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
>> warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
>> or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
>> than DA will make me look better.
>
> Better than choady wannabe-racer gear? For a start, you could try,
> umm, well... anything else. Maybe ask Ron Hardin if he has any old
> leftover Huffy wheels with frozen spokes, for instance. Or cruise the
> local alleys on trash day to see if someone has thrown out some wheels
> that are more tasteful that what you've got.
>
> If you are looking to throw some good money after bad, there are lots
> of options. Here are just a few examples of things that would be a
> big improvement over what you have been using:
>
> http://www.insanesoundsandcustoms.com/images/26_144_spoke.jpg
> http://www.quickspeed.us/home.php?cat=60
> http://www.singletrackworld.com/mod/submit/images/1260-5.jpg
> http://www.yellowjersey.org/ogkmag.jpg
Damn, I just had this premonition that someone would mention
Huffy. I will check out those links, thanks.
Bob
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Date: 02 Sep 2007 16:09:58
From: Ted Bennett
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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Robert Lorenzini <bob@newportharbornet.com > wrote:
> I have a extra pair of DA 7801's with cracked rims and I
> was wondering if I should just get them fixed under
> warranty or build them with a different rim, clincher
> or sewup. Just looking for opinions on what rims other
> than DA will make me look better.
>
> Bob
Make you look better?
Carbon fiber, visible weave, large hot pink logos. As few spokes as
possible.
--
Ted Bennett
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Date: 03 Sep 2007 01:09:36
From: Robert Lorenzini
Subject: Re: Wheel build
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On Sun, 02 Sep 2007 16:09:58 -0700, Ted Bennett wrote:
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> Carbon fiber, visible weave, large hot pink logos. As few spokes as
> possible.
Well I mentioned that they were DA hubs so the spoke count is set
at 16/20. Pink is not my favorite culer.
Bob
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