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Date: 21 Sep 2007 16:54:52
From: android
Subject: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
came without them.)
So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
why?
I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
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Date: 30 Sep 2007 11:41:02
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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android ??? wrote:
> I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
> I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
> once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
> and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
> roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
File?
I used a carbide grinding wheel mounted to Mr. Dremel Tool.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
A Real Cyclist [TM] keeps at least one bicycle in the bedroom.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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Date: 30 Sep 2007 20:32:49
From: still me
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sun, 30 Sep 2007 11:41:02 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0003@iinvalid.com > wrote:
>
>File?
>
>I used a carbide grinding wheel mounted to Mr. Dremel Tool.
How primitive. I use a laser cutting torch in an CNC setup.
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Date: 24 Sep 2007 09:45:32
From: ycleptor2@cs.com
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sep 21, 5:54 pm, android <andr...@austin.rr._c_o_m_ > wrote:
> I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
> I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
> once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
> and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
> roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
They annoy me for the same two reasons. A Dremel does the job nicely
and quickly.
Cheers,
M. Davis
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 14:02:07
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sep 22, 3:39 pm, Mike Schway <msch...@nas.com > wrote:
> In article <46f512e5$0$4020$bbae4...@news.suddenlink.net>,
>
> "BobT" <RobertLeeTaylor...@THISSuddenLink.net> wrote:
> > I live in the U.S.A.. I bought a frame from the U.K. earlier this year. To
> > my surprise and delight, it arrived without lawyer lips. Does anyone know,
> > are lawyer lips a unique to bikes sold in the U.S.A.?
>
> FWIW, in the US, lawyers don't have lips. They have beaks.
The idea of litigious calamari is weird.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 14:15:52
From: Mike Schway
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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In article <1190494927.457023.282770@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
landotter <landotter@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Sep 22, 3:39 pm, Mike Schway <msch...@nas.com> wrote:
> > In article <46f512e5$0$4020$bbae4...@news.suddenlink.net>,
> >
> > "BobT" <RobertLeeTaylor...@THISSuddenLink.net> wrote:
> > > I live in the U.S.A.. I bought a frame from the U.K. earlier this year.
> > > To
> > > my surprise and delight, it arrived without lawyer lips. Does anyone
> > > know,
> > > are lawyer lips a unique to bikes sold in the U.S.A.?
> >
> > FWIW, in the US, lawyers don't have lips. They have beaks.
>
> The idea of litigious calamari is weird.
Actually, I had something more like this in mind:
http://tinyurl.com/32b437
But I suppose the squid comes close. ;-)
--Mike
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Mike Schway
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 20:56:31
From:
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sep 21, 5:54 pm, android <andr...@austin.rr._c_o_m_ > wrote:
> I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
> I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
> once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
> and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
> roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
Of course I file them off. And I agree with your judgement about the
relative safety - at least, if a person has the mechanical aptitude of
the average 14-year-old.
Hmm. But come to think of it, I did forget to do that filing on our
new Bikes Friday. Thanks for the reminder!
- Frank Krygowski
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 11:20:38
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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android wrote:
> I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
> I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
> once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
> and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
> roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
>
>
cT = 0.95
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 07:01:11
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sep 21, 6:24 pm, "(PeteCresswell)" <x...@y.Invalid > wrote:
> Per carlfo...@comcast.net:
>
> >I'm not even 1 for 9 so far this year.
>
> >I'll probably just replace it tomorrow, feeling vaguely guilty.
>
> I bought the Rohloff gauge - but my chain replacements are about
> 50-50: rust and wear. Last one was just rust.
> --
> PeteCresswell
I follow an approach that I got from someone here. I get two chains. I
wax them both. You can just lubricate them with whatever. use one for
a while. Take it off. Use the other one for a while. Clean and re-lube
both, and again I go. I've had one cassette and two chains going for a
long time. At some point, I'll replace all three items at once.
Andres
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 06:37:34
From: Art Harris
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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android wrote:
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
I've never owned a bike that had them. When did these start showing up
anyway? My newest frame is from 1989.
Art Harris
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 19:10:14
From: H. Guy
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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In article <1190468254.458414.128260@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
Art Harris <n2ah@hotmail.com > wrote:
> I've never owned a bike that had them. When did these start showing up
> anyway? My newest frame is from 1989.
it's not consistent. i bought a kestrel in '98 and the fork had them.
since the incompetent shop CUT THE STEERER before measuring me on the
bike, i had to replace the fork (well, i didn't have to. but i was
not gonna live with a compromise because the shop guy thought that
too many spacers "looked dorky".) and the replacement that kestrel sent
didn't have the lips!
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 11:40:00
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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"Art Harris" <n2ah@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1190468254.458414.128260@n39g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> android wrote:
> > So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> > why?
> >
>
> I've never owned a bike that had them. When did these start showing up
> anyway? My newest frame is from 1989.
>
> Art Harris
>
I picked up a couple of Centurion Ironman frames real cheap, a 1986 and a
1987. They both HAD lawyer lips built into the dropouts.
It was a surprise when I went to put a front wheel in the first one. I
hadn't seen those annoyances since the 1970s.
Chas.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 13:24:35
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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> android wrote:
>> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
>> why?
Art Harris wrote:
> I've never owned a bike that had them. When did these start showing up
> anyway? My newest frame is from 1989.
Started 1974. Many small builders ignore(d) the ruling.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 19:23:49
From: still me
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 13:24:35 -0500, A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org >
wrote:
>Art Harris wrote:
>> I've never owned a bike that had them. When did these start showing up
>> anyway? My newest frame is from 1989.
>
>Started 1974. Many small builders ignore(d) the ruling.
If it was that early, it wasn't just "small builders" ignoring it. I
remember the crappy steel bikes (Huffy, other dept store stuff)
showing up with the stamped steel plates with the hook back then. But
I recall that all the bikes with non-stamped fork ends (the very
beginning of the quality frame level) didn't have anything like that
for quite a few years after, even in popular lines like Raleigh,
Motobecane, Peugeot, etc.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 12:31:59
From: Matt O'Toole
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 06:37:34 -0700, Art Harris wrote:
> android wrote:
>> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
>> why?
>>
>
> I've never owned a bike that had them. When did these start showing up
> anyway? My newest frame is from 1989.
Early Rockshox had them -- very obtrusive little nubs. But
they were easily filed off, so many people did.
I have a USA-made Klein frame/fork with no lawyer lips. I think it's a
'98 or '99 Quantum Pro. I wonder how it escaped the lawyers, but I'm glad
it did.
I don't think it's that difficult to:
* never put a wheel into a dropout without closing the QR properly,
* never put a wheel into a dropout without closing/reconnecting the brake,
* never put anything on a car rack without securing it properly, right
then and there.
Previously I have filed off or filled in the lawyer lips, but my
current mountain bike still has them because I couldn't be bothered.
Matt O.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 15:33:12
From: (PeteCresswell)
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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Per Matt O'Toole:
>I don't think it's that difficult to:
>
>* never put a wheel into a dropout without closing the QR properly,
>
>* never put a wheel into a dropout without closing/reconnecting the brake,
>
>* never put anything on a car rack without securing it properly, right
>then and there.
Never say "never".
--
PeteCresswell
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 09:37:37
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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android wrote:
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
As another poster said, I don't file mine off. That takes too long.
Dremel.
These things are not safe.
--
David L. Johnson
As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not
certain, and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
-- Albert Einstein
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 11:42:43
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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"David L. Johnson" <david.johnson@lehigh.edu > wrote in message
news:zo6dnVXO_M7Eh2jbnZ2dnUVZ_gadnZ2d@ptd.net...
> android wrote:
>
> > So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> > why?
>
> As another poster said, I don't file mine off. That takes too long.
> Dremel.
>
> These things are not safe.
> --
> David L. Johnson
One the 2 frames I have that HAD them, not all QRs fit into the lips
correctly.
Chas.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 08:05:30
From: BobT
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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"android" <android@austin.rr._c_o_m_ > wrote in message
news:g2f8f3lv33iss99648fu1gmspldbu2l5gs@4ax.com...
>I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
> I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
> once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
> and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
> roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
>
>
I live in the U.S.A.. I bought a frame from the U.K. earlier this year. To
my surprise and delight, it arrived without lawyer lips. Does anyone know,
are lawyer lips a unique to bikes sold in the U.S.A.?
BobT
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 13:39:58
From: Mike Schway
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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In article <46f512e5$0$4020$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net >,
"BobT" <RobertLeeTaylorCUT@THISSuddenLink.net > wrote:
> I live in the U.S.A.. I bought a frame from the U.K. earlier this year. To
> my surprise and delight, it arrived without lawyer lips. Does anyone know,
> are lawyer lips a unique to bikes sold in the U.S.A.?
FWIW, in the US, lawyers don't have lips. They have beaks.
--Mike
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Mike Schway
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 15:09:28
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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"Mike Schway" <mschway@nas.com > wrote in message
news:mschway-1D54E2.13395822092007@comcast.dca.giganews.com...
> In article <46f512e5$0$4020$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,
> "BobT" <RobertLeeTaylorCUT@THISSuddenLink.net> wrote:
>
> > I live in the U.S.A.. I bought a frame from the U.K. earlier this
year. To
> > my surprise and delight, it arrived without lawyer lips. Does anyone
know,
> > are lawyer lips a unique to bikes sold in the U.S.A.?
>
> FWIW, in the US, lawyers don't have lips. They have beaks.
>
> --Mike
Wrong.... they have fins:
http://www.kidzone.ws/sharks/photos/gwpic2.htm
Chas.
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Date: 23 Sep 2007 19:12:03
From: still me
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:09:28 -0700, "* * Chas"
<verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com > wrote:
>> --Mike
>
>Wrong.... they have fins:
>
>http://www.kidzone.ws/sharks/photos/gwpic2.htm
>
I was thinking the same thing: no beaks, snouts.
Q: Why don't sharks bite lawyers?
A: Professional courtesy
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 17:30:53
From: Duncan
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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"android" <android@austin.rr._c_o_m_ > wrote in message
news:g2f8f3lv33iss99648fu1gmspldbu2l5gs@4ax.com...
>I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
I race XC and I wouldn't even think of filing them off. I've had dodgey
cams, sticks pull them open and just plain setting them wrong and they've
come undone but no harm done.
If you do file them off just make sure you never make a mistake or you could
end up like my friend Andy White, or worse:
http://www.fyxomatosis.com/news.php?readmore=945
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 19:37:33
From:
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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I don't, but only because I build with dropouts that don't have lawyer
lips.
--
josh@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/ >
Braze your own bicycle frames. See
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html >
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 11:01:44
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 16:54:52 -0500, android wrote:
> I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
I file them off. I didn't know that jolting a bike around on a rear carrier
could loosen a QR, though - I ride with lots of people who carry their
bikes this way, and have never heard it mentioned.
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 19:07:24
From: (PeteCresswell)
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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Per android:
>I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
>once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
>and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
>roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
I've found mine loose after a couple hours on the back of my car.
Dunno how or why, but they were loose and the lawyer lips saved
the day for me.
I've tried to train myself to check the front skewer before every
ride, but so far haven't been very successful.
I'm probably a through-axle candidate - more bco stupidity than
anything else.
One vote for the lips.
--
PeteCresswell
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 17:39:26
From:
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Fri, 21 Sep 2007 19:07:24 -0400, "(PeteCresswell)" <x@y.Invalid >
wrote:
[snip]
>I've tried to train myself to check the front skewer before every
>ride, but so far haven't been very successful.
[snip]
Dear Pete,
That reminds me that I keep trying to train myself to slap a ruler
against my chain and check it for wear once a month.
I'm not even 1 for 9 so far this year.
I'll probably just replace it tomorrow, feeling vaguely guilty.
Cheers,
Carl Fogel
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 20:24:21
From: (PeteCresswell)
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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Per carlfogel@comcast.net:
>I'm not even 1 for 9 so far this year.
>
>I'll probably just replace it tomorrow, feeling vaguely guilty.
I bought the Rohloff gauge - but my chain replacements are about
50-50: rust and wear. Last one was just rust.
--
PeteCresswell
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 16:07:14
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sep 21, 4:54 pm, android <andr...@austin.rr._c_o_m_ > wrote:
> I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
> I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
> once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
> and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
> roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
1991 Trek 520 steel fork, gone. 2004 Performance carbon fork with
aluminum fork ends, gone. 2005 Litespeed Real Design carbon fork
including fork ends, gone. This fork has thin aluminum plates with
the tabs on them covering the carbon fork ends. 2005 Redline Conquest
Tour aluminum fork, left the fork ends alone since the tabs are almost
completely around the fork ends similar to mountain bike forks. 1995
Waterford steel fork with Henry James fork ends, never had them.
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 15:51:38
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sep 21, 3:54 pm, android <andr...@austin.rr._c_o_m_ > wrote:
> I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
> I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
> once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
> and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
> roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
I grind them down. I've been doing this for a while. I am too lazy to
have to screw and unscrew the quick release. I like to adjust the
quick release and keep it at the same adjustment.
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 18:24:04
From: Marcus Coles
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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Filing off the lawyer lips are you crazy?
I suppose you take the CPSC reflector package off too.
It's no wonder you people get into accidents.
Marcus
Who uses a Dremel or die grinder as he is too damn lazy to file them
off. :-)
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 01:52:36
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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"Marcus Coles" <marcoles@ody.ca > wrote in message
news:owXIi.26734$13.25950@nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca...
> Filing off the lawyer lips are you crazy?
> I suppose you take the CPSC reflector package off too.
>
> It's no wonder you people get into accidents.
>
>
> Marcus
> Who uses a Dremel or die grinder as he is too damn lazy to file them
> off. :-)
>
Jeez, I'm going to have to get rid of all of my old Campy non CPSC junk
just to be on the safe side, either that or go to Wal-Mart and pick up a
cheap kid killer bikes with all of the CPSC junk.
Last fall I picked up a couple of retro frames from the mid 80s that had
those lawyer lips. I should have just pulled the forks and hit the
dropouts on a bench grinder. It would have been faster plus I could have
shortened the dropouts a little.
Back when CPSC first invaded the bicycle world a lot of bikes had sheet
metal straps attached to the front dropouts to defeat QRs. I think that
the regulations were changed to not require them on bikes with sewups or
for "competition".
Chas.
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 15:29:27
From: (PeteCresswell)
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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Per * * Chas:
>Back when CPSC first invaded the bicycle world a lot of bikes had sheet
>metal straps attached to the front dropouts to defeat QRs. I think that
>the regulations were changed to not require them on bikes with sewups or
>for "competition".
I've got those on my original StumpJumper. They introduce a
PITA factor when fixing a flat, but that front wheel definitely
isn't going anywhere.....
OTOH, I still can't figure out why through-axle front
wheels/forks aren't the standard rather than the exception for
use with disc brakes.
How much longer can it take to unscrew a single 15mm nut, yank
the axle, reinsert same, and tighten the nut - as opposed to
flipping the skewer lever, rotating it 4-5 times to get past the
lawyer lips, and then having to fiddle with the
tension/tightness when re-mounting the wheel?
Seems to me like one might even argue that the axle system could
be faster....
--
PeteCresswell
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 16:13:06
From: Dan Becker
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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In article <v0raf3hfl0kan56b0g1heic1ln97pd7kvu@4ax.com >, PeteCresswell
<x@y.Invalid > wrote:
> How much longer can it take to unscrew a single 15mm nut, yank
> the axle, reinsert same, and tighten the nut - as opposed to
> flipping the skewer lever, rotating it 4-5 times to get past the
> lawyer lips, and then having to fiddle with the
> tension/tightness when re-mounting the wheel?
I don't need a wrench for the quick release.
I always spin it exactly 5 times when removing the wheel. When I put
the wheel back on, I spin it 5 times. I then extend the lever straight
out, snug the nut on the opposite side, then clamp the lever tight.
Works every time, takes no time at all.
I don't let the lawyer lips bother me.
Dan
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 17:42:05
From: (PeteCresswell)
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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Per Dan Becker:
>I always spin it exactly 5 times when removing the wheel. When I put
>the wheel back on, I spin it 5 times. I then extend the lever straight
>out, snug the nut on the opposite side, then clamp the lever tight.
>Works every time, takes no time at all.
>
>I don't let the lawyer lips bother me.
They don't bother me either - and I count the spins too..... but
I still think the basic point about an axle being as fast or
maybe even faster to do a wheel removal/replacement is valid.
--
PeteCresswell
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 13:13:26
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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> "Marcus Coles" <marcoles@ody.ca> wrote
>> Filing off the lawyer lips are you crazy?
>> I suppose you take the CPSC reflector package off too.
>> It's no wonder you people get into accidents.
>> Marcus
>> Who uses a Dremel or die grinder as he is too damn lazy to file them
>> off. :-)
* * Chas wrote:
> Jeez, I'm going to have to get rid of all of my old Campy non CPSC junk
> just to be on the safe side, either that or go to Wal-Mart and pick up a
> cheap kid killer bikes with all of the CPSC junk.
>
> Last fall I picked up a couple of retro frames from the mid 80s that had
> those lawyer lips. I should have just pulled the forks and hit the
> dropouts on a bench grinder. It would have been faster plus I could have
> shortened the dropouts a little.
>
> Back when CPSC first invaded the bicycle world a lot of bikes had sheet
> metal straps attached to the front dropouts to defeat QRs. I think that
> the regulations were changed to not require them on bikes with sewups or
> for "competition".
The regulation exempts 'not for use on public roads' or 'special' as in
not made up of regularly available equipment. It was widely ignored by
small builders for years (with impunity, AFAIK).
And a specific method isn't required. A clip-in plate (Huffy, Sanshin)
or a screwed in plate (Schwinn) and various other methods have met
inspection. For 2008 there are various new insidious slow release
designs coming to an XMart and/or LBS near you.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 22 Sep 2007 11:32:51
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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"A Muzi" <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote in message
news:13famo037d8bjaf@corp.supernews.com...
> > "Marcus Coles" <marcoles@ody.ca> wrote
> >> Filing off the lawyer lips are you crazy?
> >> I suppose you take the CPSC reflector package off too.
> >> It's no wonder you people get into accidents.
> >> Marcus
> >> Who uses a Dremel or die grinder as he is too damn lazy to file them
> >> off. :-)
>
> * * Chas wrote:
> > Jeez, I'm going to have to get rid of all of my old Campy non CPSC
junk
> > just to be on the safe side, either that or go to Wal-Mart and pick up
a
> > cheap kid killer bikes with all of the CPSC junk.
> >
> > Last fall I picked up a couple of retro frames from the mid 80s that
had
> > those lawyer lips. I should have just pulled the forks and hit the
> > dropouts on a bench grinder. It would have been faster plus I could
have
> > shortened the dropouts a little.
> >
> > Back when CPSC first invaded the bicycle world a lot of bikes had
sheet
> > metal straps attached to the front dropouts to defeat QRs. I think
that
> > the regulations were changed to not require them on bikes with sewups
or
> > for "competition".
>
> The regulation exempts 'not for use on public roads' or 'special' as in
> not made up of regularly available equipment. It was widely ignored by
> small builders for years (with impunity, AFAIK).
>
> And a specific method isn't required. A clip-in plate (Huffy, Sanshin)
> or a screwed in plate (Schwinn) and various other methods have met
> inspection. For 2008 there are various new insidious slow release
> designs coming to an XMart and/or LBS near you.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
http://www.hsegroup.com/hse/text/cowboy.htm
Just exchange the horse for a bike.....
Chas.
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 19:38:54
From:
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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In article <owXIi.26734$13.25950@nnrp.ca.mci.com!nnrp1.uunet.ca >,
marcoles@ody.ca says...
> Filing off the lawyer lips are you crazy?
> I suppose you take the CPSC reflector package off too.
Now that you mention it, I do replace the CPSC reflectors with ones that
are designed for use in traffic, instead of for riding circles in the
middle of the roadway.
--
josh@phred.org is Joshua Putnam
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/ >
Braze your own bicycle frames. See
<http://www.phred.org/~josh/build/build.html >
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 15:24:48
From: SMS
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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android wrote:
> I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
> I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
> once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
> and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
> roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
There are a couple of reasons to leave them on:
a) You have, are are planning to install, disc brakes on the front.
b) You plan to carry the bicycle on a car rack where the bicycle hangs
from the top tube.
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Date: 21 Sep 2007 22:10:09
From: landotter
Subject: Re: Who Files the Lips Off Their Forks?
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On Sep 21, 4:54 pm, android <andr...@austin.rr._c_o_m_ > wrote:
> I was putting together a new bike last weekend and got to the task of
> filing the lawyer lips off the front forks. Despite warning that this
> will "void my warranty", I've done this to every bike I've owned since
> the stupid idea was invented. (Except my custom frame that blissfully
> came without them.)
>
> So just a survey to see who out there files them or leaves them and
> why?
>
> I file them because I think it's a lot safer to adjust a QR correctly
> once and then not have to screw with it every time the wheel goes on
> and off. Also I don't want to have to screw with the skewers on the
> roof rack every time the bike goes on the car.
My "sporting" bike has them filed, but I'll leave them on the new city
bike, as it makes it harder to casually steal the wheel, especially
with the newfangled "slow release" levers.
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