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Date: 09 May 2007 05:14:01
From: DougC
Subject: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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How long does delivery typically take?
They say two weeks for building (depending on options) and a month
(total) for delivery. I ordered one some days ago, it's hit my credit
card a couple days ago but they had to do it on one charge.
I asked a couple other places on the web I figured I'd be likely to find
owners, and got nuthin'.....
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Date: 10 May 2007 06:19:33
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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don't forget the phrase (drum roll):
"any motorized vehicle...
a) shall have on its roof a 7' x8' yellow sign festooned with blinking
red lights indicating the driver is a complete moron
b) shall not be seen with known felons
c)
WEST's Florida Jurisprudence reviews Florida law activity for the
lawman's (lawyers) interpretation frequently poking fun at the inane
gibberish Florida is capable off handing out.
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Date: 10 May 2007 06:16:03
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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On May 10, 7:54 am, "datak...@yahoo.com" <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> no, this was within 3-4 years. I am left in limbo within the subject
> as there are conflicts from different fla laws. a determining factor
> may be left to the local authorities in a situation you may relate to.
> suburbs are built over vast flat areas with low traffic density
> ( except for the occasional stop sign runner) where a motorized cycle
> could be used by a tax payer without endangering the general public.
> but using a 20 mph cycle on a sidewalk in town? the no skateboard law
> covers bicycles.if you ride on the street then what? tags, insurance?
> there's another law that states ( or did): the cycle is only a
> pedestrian if the cycle is walked. if the cycle is not walked then its
> under motor vehicle laws: for intersections.
> then there's 'endangerment' or reckless, again a local JP decision
> circumventing a "definition" that may or may not
> 'operate' as a law.
> my involvement is using the empty sidewalk as a cyclist
You ride on the sidewalk?
> and objecting
> to craig breedlove screwing up my use running his jawa scooter at 19
> mph. that should be your position?
Assuming you are talking about riding on the sidewalk, I would think
pedestrians find bikes on the sidewalk as objectionable as you find
that scooter.
Bikes and scooters on the sidewalk? No wonder it's "the empty
sidewalk". Who would want to walk amongst bicycles and scooters?
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Date: 10 May 2007 05:54:19
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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no, this was within 3-4 years. I am left in limbo within the subject
as there are conflicts from different fla laws. a determining factor
may be left to the local authorities in a situation you may relate to.
suburbs are built over vast flat areas with low traffic density
( except for the occasional stop sign runner) where a motorized cycle
could be used by a tax payer without endangering the general public.
but using a 20 mph cycle on a sidewalk in town? the no skateboard law
covers bicycles.if you ride on the street then what? tags, insurance?
there's another law that states ( or did): the cycle is only a
pedestrian if the cycle is walked. if the cycle is not walked then its
under motor vehicle laws: for intersections.
then there's 'endangerment' or reckless, again a local JP decision
circumventing a "definition" that may or may not
'operate' as a law.
my involvement is using the empty sidewalk as a cyclist and objecting
to craig breedlove screwing up my use running his jawa scooter at 19
mph. that should be your position?
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Date: 10 May 2007 22:59:34
From: Dan Burkhart
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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datakoll@yahoo.com Wrote:
> no, this was within 3-4 years. I am left in limbo within the subject
> as there are conflicts from different fla laws. a determining factor
> may be left to the local authorities in a situation you may relate to.
> suburbs are built over vast flat areas with low traffic density
> ( except for the occasional stop sign runner) where a motorized cycle
> could be used by a tax payer without endangering the general public.
> but using a 20 mph cycle on a sidewalk in town? the no skateboard law
> covers bicycles.if you ride on the street then what? tags, insurance?
> there's another law that states ( or did): the cycle is only a
> pedestrian if the cycle is walked. if the cycle is not walked then its
> under motor vehicle laws: for intersections.
> then there's 'endangerment' or reckless, again a local JP decision
> circumventing a "definition" that may or may not
> 'operate' as a law.
> my involvement is using the empty sidewalk as a cyclist and objecting
> to craig breedlove screwing up my use running his jawa scooter at 19
> mph. that should be your position?
Can't imagine that Craig Breelove could keep his balance going tha
slow.
Dan Burkhart
www.boomerbicycle.c
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Dan Burkhart
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Date: 09 May 2007 23:30:46
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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Dan Burkhart wrote:
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> Inside of 2 months, the rear axle had been cut
> clear through by the outer bearing which had self destructed at some
> point. Those bearings are a cartridge type of sorts with a shell
> stamped out of sheet metal if you can imagine! I replaced the axle and
> bearings, and so far, the fix has lasted 3 times longer than the
> original.
The bearings supporting the axle of my Worksman trike from Boeing are
massive cast iron pillow blocks with sealed ball bearing cartridges
riding in spherical seats. They look like they have been lifted
straight out of farm equipment. On top of that, the rear axle was a
solid 7/8" bar of pretty decent steel that would have taken a
tremendous amount of work to chafe through.
The biggest issue I have had with the trike is that there are only two
bearings to support the rear axle, and I replaced the old axle with a
longer one made of 7075 aluminum-- which is plenty strong but quite a
bit more flexible than the original. The secondary chain pulls hard
enough on it, when I am climbing hills or using the coaster brake, to
cause the axle to flex and allow the chain to climb the sprocket
teeth. I understand that Worksman have revised their design by adding
a third pillow block near the center of the axle, and that's what I am
going to do to reinforce mine.
Chalo
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Date: 09 May 2007 23:17:37
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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datakoll wrote:
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> i knew a good old girl of advanced years who worked in a superduper.
> rode an electric trike to work down a lightly used blvd. cops got her.
>
> now we can sleep tonight right?
That must have been a while back. Florida law allows for < 20mph e-
bikes and trikes on the same legal footing as regular bikes and
trikes. Either that, or the cops involved are a bunch of ignorant
jackwads, which is always a possibility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_bicycle_laws#Florida
Chalo
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Date: 09 May 2007 20:06:34
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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is Workman the factory offering a differential rear axle?
I lived next to a trike repairman. older trikes are solid, well built
to carry a load plus but compared to the newer light weight garbage
built today, the older models are way too heavy for old people to
pedal but the new garbage is just right camparatively.
i knew a good old girl of advanced years who worked in a superduper.
rode an electric trike to work down a lightly used blvd. cops got her.
now we can sleep tonight right?
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Date: 09 May 2007 20:15:05
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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DougC wrote:
> How long does delivery typically take?
> They say two weeks for building (depending on options) and a month
> (total) for delivery. I ordered one some days ago, it's hit my credit
> card a couple days ago but they had to do it on one charge.
>
> I asked a couple other places on the web I figured I'd be likely to find
> owners, and got nuthin'.....
We've had a good relationship with Worksman for many years. If the
vehicle in in stock in the color we want, it's just UPS or motor freight
transit time from New York plus a 1-2 day warehouse delay.
If it's _not _ available right away, you need to know the factory
schedule for that model. Could be days, could be weeks. Your dealer
should have received a delivery date for you when s/he placed the order.
The delay may be from your dealer. We sometimes wait to combine orders
as one Worksman tandem costs the same to ship Motor Freight as two tandems.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 10 May 2007 03:03:11
From: DougC
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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A Muzi wrote:
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> We've had a good relationship with Worksman for many years. If the
> vehicle in in stock in the color we want, it's just UPS or motor freight
> transit time from New York plus a 1-2 day warehouse delay.
>
> If it's _not_ available right away, you need to know the factory
> schedule for that model. Could be days, could be weeks. Your dealer
> should have received a delivery date for you when s/he placed the order.
>
> The delay may be from your dealer. We sometimes wait to combine orders
> as one Worksman tandem costs the same to ship Motor Freight as two tandems.
I ordered a American classic cruiser bike direct off the factory's
website; the bike totalled 570 and they billed my card $620. I live in
the St Louis area. I didn't specify shipping method; I figured they'd go
slowest-and-cheapest unless requested otherwise. The order confirm email
I got (sent on 4/30) doesn't give any delivery date.
I dunno anyone in my area that was a Worksman dealer, but I suppose I
never asked.... The local shops all had the $129 aluminum-frame stuff
with a single-speed coaster or the $199 aluminum-frame stuff with a rear
derailleur.
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Date: 11 May 2007 12:36:52
From: DougC
Subject: ...Ouch.....
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I tried sending an email asking but an auto-reply came back that said
"Worksman mailer daemon: your message has been sent to:"
...and then nothing. No name or email followed.
So I dunno if the email is working right over there.
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But it's been two weeks already, so I figured it wouldn't be that
impatient if I phoned up the place and asked. Was told 30 to 45 days is
the current estimate (from date of order going through).
{sigh}
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Date: 11 May 2007 13:44:28
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: ...Ouch.....
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DougC wrote:
> I tried sending an email asking but an auto-reply came back that said
> "Worksman mailer daemon: your message has been sent to:"
> ...and then nothing. No name or email followed.
> So I dunno if the email is working right over there.
> But it's been two weeks already, so I figured it wouldn't be that
> impatient if I phoned up the place and asked. Was told 30 to 45 days is
> the current estimate (from date of order going through).
>
> {sigh}
Buying through a dealer would have helped but since that didn't work out
for you maybe try a telephone call to Worksman? 718.322.2000
We're _retail_ here and so we process a huge volume of email. A
manufacturer doesn't see your emails as 'revenue' but rather as 'expense'.
Call them.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 09 May 2007 12:17:43
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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On May 9, 1:29 pm, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
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> > >http://preview.tinyurl.com/33t4un
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> > What are you using for rear wheels/tires on that trike??
>
> They are Skat-Trak "Smooth Buff" 21x7 ATV front tires (the lightest
> ATV tires I could find) mounted on Douglas spun aluminum rims. I had
> to machine 4-bolt hubs and a wider rear axle for them.
>
> http://skat-trak.com/paddletire.htmlhttp://douglaswheel.com/products/atv/alumilite
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> Chalo
The lengths (or is it "widths"?) some people will go to avoid pinch
flats!!!! ;-)
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Date: 09 May 2007 11:29:36
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
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> >http://preview.tinyurl.com/33t4un
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> What are you using for rear wheels/tires on that trike??
They are Skat-Trak "Smooth Buff" 21x7 ATV front tires (the lightest
ATV tires I could find) mounted on Douglas spun aluminum rims. I had
to machine 4-bolt hubs and a wider rear axle for them.
http://skat-trak.com/paddletire.html
http://douglaswheel.com/products/atv/alumilite
Chalo
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Date: 09 May 2007 09:19:04
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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On May 9, 10:31 am, Chalo <chalo.col...@gmail.com > wrote:
> DougC wrote:
>
> > How long does delivery typically take?
> > They say two weeks for building (depending on options) and a month
> > (total) for delivery. I ordered one some days ago, it's hit my credit
> > card a couple days ago but they had to do it on one charge.
>
> > I asked a couple other places on the web I figured I'd be likely to find
> > owners, and got nuthin'.....
>
> You know they last about 200 years, so most folks who have one got it
> from Grandpappy.
>
> Actually, everyone I know who has a Worksman got it from Boeing
> Surplus, or from someone else who found it at Boeing Surplus. I have
> an "Adaptable" trike that failed to adapt to conditions (I think it
> just got too scruffy-looking for aerospace). It came to me as a bare
> frame, stuck seatpost, axle, and coaster brake hub with welded-on
> sprocket.
>
> I transformed it into a hot rod for the Dead Baby Bikes 2006 downhill
> race. For this purpose it proved perfectly adaptable:
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/33t4un
What are you using for rear wheels/tires on that trike??
>
> Though the trike's style was impeccable,
Herman Munster style? :-)
> I did not finish the race as
> far forward in the pack as I started. Perhaps next time. :^)
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Date: 09 May 2007 08:31:39
From: Chalo
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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DougC wrote:
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> How long does delivery typically take?
> They say two weeks for building (depending on options) and a month
> (total) for delivery. I ordered one some days ago, it's hit my credit
> card a couple days ago but they had to do it on one charge.
>
> I asked a couple other places on the web I figured I'd be likely to find
> owners, and got nuthin'.....
You know they last about 200 years, so most folks who have one got it
from Grandpappy.
Actually, everyone I know who has a Worksman got it from Boeing
Surplus, or from someone else who found it at Boeing Surplus. I have
an "Adaptable" trike that failed to adapt to conditions (I think it
just got too scruffy-looking for aerospace). It came to me as a bare
frame, stuck seatpost, axle, and coaster brake hub with welded-on
sprocket.
I transformed it into a hot rod for the Dead Baby Bikes 2006 downhill
race. For this purpose it proved perfectly adaptable:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/33t4un
Though the trike's style was impeccable, I did not finish the race as
far forward in the pack as I started. Perhaps next time. :^)
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Date: 10 May 2007 11:45:56
From: Dan Burkhart
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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Chalo Wrote:
> DougC wrote:
> >
> > How long does delivery typically take?
> > They say two weeks for building (depending on options) and a month
> > (total) for delivery. I ordered one some days ago, it's hit m
> credit
> > card a couple days ago but they had to do it on one charge.
> >
> > I asked a couple other places on the web I figured I'd be likely t
> find
> > owners, and got nuthin'.....
>
> You know they last about 200 years, so most folks who have one got it
> from Grandpappy.
>
> Actually, everyone I know who has a Worksman got it from Boeing
> Surplus, or from someone else who found it at Boeing Surplus. I have
> an "Adaptable" trike that failed to adapt to conditions (I think it
> just got too scruffy-looking for aerospace). It came to me as a bare
> frame, stuck seatpost, axle, and coaster brake hub with welded-on
> sprocket.
>
> I transformed it into a hot rod for the Dead Baby Bikes 2006 downhill
> race. For this purpose it proved perfectly adaptable:
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/33t4un
>
> Though the trike's style was impeccable, I did not finish the race as
> far forward in the pack as I started. Perhaps next time. :^)
Perhaps the industrial models will last 200 years, but their ligh
weight consumer trikes are crap. I sold one to an industrial custome
against my protestations that it would not be up to the task. The
assured me that it was only to be used as a personal intra plan
transporter for the maintenance manager who is a smallish man, so i
should not be a problem. Inside of 2 months, the rear axle had been cu
clear through by the outer bearing which had self destructed at som
point. Those bearings are a cartridge type of sorts with a shel
stamped out of sheet metal if you can imagine! I replaced the axle an
bearings, and so far, the fix has lasted 3 times longer than th
original.
The frame looked like it was welded up by eyeball rather than in
jig. The bottom bracket shell, the chainstays, everything was out o
whack.
If we expect people to pay a premium for North American products, w
best get the quality up to expectations.
Dan Burkhart
www.boomerbicycle.c
--
Dan Burkhart
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Date: 09 May 2007 21:09:50
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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>> DougC wrote:
>>> How long does delivery typically take?
>>> They say two weeks for building (depending on options) and a month
>>> (total) for delivery. I ordered one some days ago, it's hit my
>> credit
>>> card a couple days ago but they had to do it on one charge.
>>> I asked a couple other places on the web I figured I'd be likely to
>> find
>>> owners, and got nuthin'.....
> Chalo Wrote:
>> You know they last about 200 years, so most folks who have one got it
>> from Grandpappy.
>>
>> Actually, everyone I know who has a Worksman got it from Boeing
>> Surplus, or from someone else who found it at Boeing Surplus. I have
>> an "Adaptable" trike that failed to adapt to conditions (I think it
>> just got too scruffy-looking for aerospace). It came to me as a bare
>> frame, stuck seatpost, axle, and coaster brake hub with welded-on
>> sprocket.
>>
>> I transformed it into a hot rod for the Dead Baby Bikes 2006 downhill
>> race. For this purpose it proved perfectly adaptable:
>>
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/33t4un
>>
>> Though the trike's style was impeccable, I did not finish the race as
>> far forward in the pack as I started. Perhaps next time. :^)
Dan Burkhart wrote:
> Perhaps the industrial models will last 200 years, but their light
> weight consumer trikes are crap. I sold one to an industrial customer
> against my protestations that it would not be up to the task. They
> assured me that it was only to be used as a personal intra plant
> transporter for the maintenance manager who is a smallish man, so it
> should not be a problem. Inside of 2 months, the rear axle had been cut
> clear through by the outer bearing which had self destructed at some
> point. Those bearings are a cartridge type of sorts with a shell
> stamped out of sheet metal if you can imagine! I replaced the axle and
> bearings, and so far, the fix has lasted 3 times longer than the
> original.
> The frame looked like it was welded up by eyeball rather than in a
> jig. The bottom bracket shell, the chainstays, everything was out of
> whack.
> If we expect people to pay a premium for North American products, we
> best get the quality up to expectations.
I hear you! BTW, they are called Freeway bearings and definitely need
grease - they are shipped dry!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 12 May 2007 13:13:01
From: Dan Burkhart
Subject: Re: Worksman bikes - anybody ordered one?
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A Muzi Wrote:
> >> DougC wrote:
> >>> How long does delivery typically take?
> >>> They say two weeks for building (depending on options) and a month
> >>> (total) for delivery. I ordered one some days ago, it's hit my
> >> credit
> >>> card a couple days ago but they had to do it on one charge.
> >>> I asked a couple other places on the web I figured I'd be likel
> to
> >> find
> >>> owners, and got nuthin'.....
>
> > Chalo Wrote:
> >> You know they last about 200 years, so most folks who have one go
> it
> >> from Grandpappy.
> >>
> >> Actually, everyone I know who has a Worksman got it from Boeing
> >> Surplus, or from someone else who found it at Boeing Surplus.
> have
> >> an "Adaptable" trike that failed to adapt to conditions (I think it
> >> just got too scruffy-looking for aerospace). It came to me as
> bare
> >> frame, stuck seatpost, axle, and coaster brake hub with welded-on
> >> sprocket.
> >>
> >> I transformed it into a hot rod for the Dead Baby Bikes 200
> downhill
> >> race. For this purpose it proved perfectly adaptable:
> >>
> >> http://preview.tinyurl.com/33t4un
> >>
> >> Though the trike's style was impeccable, I did not finish the rac
> as
> >> far forward in the pack as I started. Perhaps next time. :^)
>
> Dan Burkhart wrote:
> > Perhaps the industrial models will last 200 years, but their light
> > weight consumer trikes are crap. I sold one to an industria
> customer
> > against my protestations that it would not be up to the task. They
> > assured me that it was only to be used as a personal intra plant
> > transporter for the maintenance manager who is a smallish man, so it
> > should not be a problem. Inside of 2 months, the rear axle had bee
> cut
> > clear through by the outer bearing which had self destructed at some
> > point. Those bearings are a cartridge type of sorts with a shell
> > stamped out of sheet metal if you can imagine! I replaced the axl
> and
> > bearings, and so far, the fix has lasted 3 times longer than the
> > original.
> > The frame looked like it was welded up by eyeball rather than in a
> > jig. The bottom bracket shell, the chainstays, everything was out of
> > whack.
> > If we expect people to pay a premium for North American products, we
> > best get the quality up to expectations.
>
> I hear you! BTW, they are called Freeway bearings and definitely need
> grease - they are shipped dry!
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> www.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
Huh? I have a needle attachment for my grease gun that I could injur
myself with, and it won't penetrate the space between the shell and th
shield on those bearings. I got replacements from an industrial bearin
supplier who told me they were pre-lubed. Had to take his word for it
cause there seems to be no way to remove the steel shield withou
destroying it
--
Dan Burkhart
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