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Date: 14 Oct 2007 19:55:14
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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I love acronyms!
I'm looking for an XC type (4-5" travel) full suspension bike with LX
level components and dual-control levers and hydraulic discs.
Anyone know who makes some bikes like that?
Thanks!
Joseph
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 13:36:53
From: Chris Nelson
Subject: Re: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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On Oct 14, 10:41 pm, "joseph.santanie...@gmail.com"
<joseph.santanie...@gmail.com > wrote:
> That's just it. By the time I swap levers the price jumps up into a
> whole new category.
>
> Joseph
LX dual control levers are about $150. I would hardly call that a
whole new category. Moreover, any decent shop will swap them out for
you and credit you for the ones that were on there.
I would be more concerned to get the proper frame.
Chris
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 19:27:34
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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On Oct 15, 9:11 pm, Steve Gravrock <use...@sdg.users.panix.com > wrote:
> On 2007-10-15, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca> wrote:
>
> > I can't tell if the Faze 2 and Faze 3 have the dual-control levers you
> > seek, but I think they might:
>
> >http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/xc_race_fs/faze_two.php
> >http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/xc_race_fs/faze_three.php
>
> > The latter has LX combined brake and shifter pods. I don't know the
> > dual-control stuff well enough to see if that's what's spec'd.
>
> Those look like conventional trigger shifters to me, although it's hard
> to be 100% sure from that angle. This is what the dual control shifters
> look like:
>
> <http://www.jonesbikes.com/update/hbar/index.html>
>
> Newer ones appear to have the tumb button of traditional trigger
> shifters, which probably works a lot better than pushing the brake
> lever upward as in the Jones animation:
>
> <http://preview.tinyurl.com/yvkczv>, or
> <http://bike.shimano.com/media/images/cycling/products/bikecomponents/ST/
> ST-M585_popup_v1_m56577569830551621.jpg>
>
> I'm just going off of photos, having never actually seen the levers.
The LX dual-contol levers I tried had the thumb lever. It is in the
place of a normal thumb lever, but it does not function in the same
way. It pushes the brake lever up as in the animation. The same lever
action, but actuated by the thumb. I suppose one could do as shown in
the animation, but I found it just as easy to pull the lever up with
my fingers as to use the thumb lever.
Joseph
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 02:41:42
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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On Oct 14, 10:52 pm, Steve Gravrock <use...@sdg.users.panix.com >
wrote:
> On 2007-10-14,
>
> joseph.santanie...@gmail.com <joseph.santanie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I love acronyms!
>
> > I'm looking for an XC type (4-5" travel) full suspension bike with LX
> > level components and dual-control levers and hydraulic discs.
>
> Why dual-control levers? I'm not trying to dissaude you, I'm genuinely
> curious. What advantage do they offer over separate brake levers and
> shifters?
I have large hands, and my fingers feel cramped with "normal" shifters
and often when I ride with my fore-fingers on the shift levers, they
jam sometimes painfully into the back of the brake levers. So I don't
ride with them there, and thus when I need to shift I have to move my
fingers around, which makes it difficult to shift while braking, etc.
I have tried for short rides other set-ups, but most of my experience
is based on my 2004-ish LX shifters and Avid mechanical disc levers.
I tried a bike (hardtail) with the dual-control levers and I can leave
my index and ring fingers on the levers at all times allowing instant
shifting and simultaneous braking whenever I want, plus no jammed
knuckles. I also don't have to use my thumb to shift up I can just
pull with the two fingers already on the levers. All this together
makes riding more comfortable and I belive I have better control from
a solid constant grip on the bars, and less of a chance of mis-shifts
because I can shift while braking into a corner rather than after when
I am pouring on the coals.
> > Anyone know who makes some bikes like that?
>
> Not off the top of my head. Manufacturers seem to be sticking with
> separate brake levers and trigger shifters even when using Shimano
> hydraulic brakes. Your best bet may be to get something with compatible
> brakes and derailers and swap levers. Even if you can find something
> that comes with those levers, there's so much variation among full
> suspension frames that you're probably better off basing your decision
> on the frame instead of what kind of levers it comes with.
That's just it. By the time I swap levers the price jumps up into a
whole new category.
Joseph
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 02:30:47
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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On Oct 14, 10:48 pm, Ryan Cousineau <rcous...@sfu.ca > wrote:
> In article <1192391714.871128.111...@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
>
> "joseph.santanie...@gmail.com" <joseph.santanie...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I love acronyms!
>
> > I'm looking for an XC type (4-5" travel) full suspension bike with LX
> > level components and dual-control levers and hydraulic discs.
>
> > Anyone know who makes some bikes like that?
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > Joseph
>
> Everyone.
>
> http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/xc_race_fs/faze_three.php
>
> http://konaworld.com/08_fourdeluxe.htm
>
> etc.
>
> That's basically the default spec for entry-level "XC race fs" bikes,
> albeit they sometimes use mechanical brakes, or (as with the Kona 4
> deluxe) use a mix of parts that may go down to Deore and up to XT in
> various places (why do these guys always spec really fancy rear
> deralleurs? Road or mountain, it seems I routinely see manufacturers
> sell bikes where the rder is an upgrade over the rest of the bike's
> group).
>
> Anyways, every bike maker that's even half-serious about XC bikes
> probably has what you want. Given that suspension systems differ, it's
> probably worth reading the reviews to get an idea of which bikes offer
> better or worse value and performance in that category. I think that
> unlike road bikes, the frame design probably can make an important
> difference to the bike performance.
>
> --
> Ryan Cousineau rcous...@sfu.cahttp://www.wiredcola.com/
> "My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
> Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
Yes, there are bags of bikes with that general spec, but I have yet to
find any with the dual-control levers.
Joseph
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 20:52:22
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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On 2007-10-14,
joseph.santaniello@gmail.com <joseph.santaniello@gmail.com > wrote:
> I love acronyms!
>
> I'm looking for an XC type (4-5" travel) full suspension bike with LX
> level components and dual-control levers and hydraulic discs.
Why dual-control levers? I'm not trying to dissaude you, I'm genuinely
curious. What advantage do they offer over separate brake levers and
shifters?
> Anyone know who makes some bikes like that?
Not off the top of my head. Manufacturers seem to be sticking with
separate brake levers and trigger shifters even when using Shimano
hydraulic brakes. Your best bet may be to get something with compatible
brakes and derailers and swap levers. Even if you can find something
that comes with those levers, there's so much variation among full
suspension frames that you're probably better off basing your decision
on the frame instead of what kind of levers it comes with.
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 20:48:27
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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In article <1192391714.871128.111490@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
"joseph.santaniello@gmail.com" <joseph.santaniello@gmail.com > wrote:
> I love acronyms!
>
> I'm looking for an XC type (4-5" travel) full suspension bike with LX
> level components and dual-control levers and hydraulic discs.
>
> Anyone know who makes some bikes like that?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joseph
Everyone.
http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/xc_race_fs/faze_three.php
http://konaworld.com/08_fourdeluxe.htm
etc.
That's basically the default spec for entry-level "XC race fs" bikes,
albeit they sometimes use mechanical brakes, or (as with the Kona 4
deluxe) use a mix of parts that may go down to Deore and up to XT in
various places (why do these guys always spec really fancy rear
deralleurs? Road or mountain, it seems I routinely see manufacturers
sell bikes where the rder is an upgrade over the rest of the bike's
group).
Anyways, every bike maker that's even half-serious about XC bikes
probably has what you want. Given that suspension systems differ, it's
probably worth reading the reviews to get an idea of which bikes offer
better or worse value and performance in that category. I think that
unlike road bikes, the frame design probably can make an important
difference to the bike performance.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 14 Oct 2007 20:18:06
From: joseph.santaniello@gmail.com
Subject: Re: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote:
> I love acronyms!
>
> I'm looking for an XC type (4-5" travel) full suspension bike with LX
> level components and dual-control levers and hydraulic discs.
>
> Anyone know who makes some bikes like that?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Joseph
Slight correction: I don't need LX level parts. Deore or similar is
fine, but I want dual-control levers, which I believe are only
available in LX or above.
Joseph
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 06:48:01
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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In article <1192393086.082795.191690@e9g2000prf.googlegroups.com >,
"joseph.santaniello@gmail.com" <joseph.santaniello@gmail.com > wrote:
> joseph.santaniello@gmail.com wrote:
> > I love acronyms!
> >
> > I'm looking for an XC type (4-5" travel) full suspension bike with LX
> > level components and dual-control levers and hydraulic discs.
> >
> > Anyone know who makes some bikes like that?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Joseph
>
> Slight correction: I don't need LX level parts. Deore or similar is
> fine, but I want dual-control levers, which I believe are only
> available in LX or above.
>
> Joseph
Oops. Missed that.
I can't tell if the Faze 2 and Faze 3 have the dual-control levers you
seek, but I think they might:
http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/xc_race_fs/faze_two.php
http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/xc_race_fs/faze_three.php
The latter has LX combined brake and shifter pods. I don't know the
dual-control stuff well enough to see if that's what's spec'd.
--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"My scenarios may give the impression I could be an excellent crook.
Not true - I am a talented lawyer." - Sandy in rec.bicycles.racing
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Date: 15 Oct 2007 19:11:45
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: XC FS MTB w/ LX?
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On 2007-10-15, Ryan Cousineau <rcousine@sfu.ca > wrote:
> I can't tell if the Faze 2 and Faze 3 have the dual-control levers you
> seek, but I think they might:
>
> http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/xc_race_fs/faze_two.php
> http://www.norco.com/bikes/mountain/xc_race_fs/faze_three.php
>
> The latter has LX combined brake and shifter pods. I don't know the
> dual-control stuff well enough to see if that's what's spec'd.
Those look like conventional trigger shifters to me, although it's hard
to be 100% sure from that angle. This is what the dual control shifters
look like:
<http://www.jonesbikes.com/update/hbar/index.html >
Newer ones appear to have the tumb button of traditional trigger
shifters, which probably works a lot better than pushing the brake
lever upward as in the Jones animation:
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/yvkczv >, or
<http://bike.shimano.com/media/images/cycling/products/bikecomponents/ST/
ST-M585_popup_v1_m56577569830551621.jpg >
I'm just going off of photos, having never actually seen the levers.
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