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Date: 15 May 2007 17:25:02
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: are proton wheels a good deal?
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Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the hotel
in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in between
massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons are an
incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium finisher out of
whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring. Indestructabile.
Buy three.
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Date: 21 May 2007 08:09:29
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: mounting tires on Campagnolo wheels (was: are proton wheels a good deal?)
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On May 18, 4:39 pm, Claus Assmann <ca+sendmail(no-copies-
please)@mine.informatik.uni-kiel.de > wrote:
> russellseat...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
> > Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
>
> That depends also on the tire, for example on Eurus wheels:
>
> Michelin Pro 2 Race 20mm: I can't mount those without tools.
> Vredestein Fortezza 23mm: easy to mount.
Not for me. Vento wheels from 1999. 14 spoke front, 16 spoke rear.
Vredstein Fortezza Tricomp tires. 23mm. Danged, danged hard to get
the tires on.
>
> I have several sets of Campagnolo wheels (Vento 16HPW, Eurus,
> Vento G3).
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Date: 21 May 2007 08:05:29
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 19, 3:47 am, Michael Warner <m...@westnet.com.au > wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:11:43 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> > Because mavic rims are on the short side? try mounting a pair of 20 or
> > 23 mm vittoria CX on a campy rim/wheel : no problem, where a 23mm CX's
> > on a mavic rim is too easy to mount.
>
> Has anyone ever had a properly seated tyre that went on very easily pop off
> the rim under inflation or the stress of cornering?
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/tirebead.htm
I'm currently using a
> one-off tyre that someone gave me (Veloflex Pave) on an Open Pro, and it
> goes on and comes off very easily indeed. Should I be worried?
>
> --
> Home page:http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
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Date: 21 May 2007 08:04:04
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 19, 2:11 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> russellseat...@yahoo.com <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > 1) drop the veloflex and use campagnolos own nylon rimstrip.
> > Veloflex? The green plastic strip that came originally with the Vento
> > wheels caused the tires to be very difficult to mount. And after a
> > year, it split where it went over the huge spoke holes in the bed of
> > the rim.
>
> i've used campys rimstrim at least since 94: no problems.
>
> > > 2) Use decent tires from Vittoria or Michelin. Conti's are way too
> > > tight.
> > I use Vredstein Fortezza Tricomp Handmade in Holland tires on the
> > Vento wheels. Also tried Continental tires. All super tight to
> > mount, even with levers. I have some Bontrager and Panaracer tires
> > sitting around I will get around to trying sometime. How is it
> > Continental tires go on with no thumb pressure at all on Mavic Open
> > Pro rims but are too tight for Campagnolo rims?
>
> Because mavic rims are on the short side? try mounting a pair of 20 or
> 23 mm vittoria CX on a campy rim/wheel : no problem, where a 23mm CX's
> on a mavic rim is too easy to mount.
> I also seem to recall that i've used 23mm GP3000 years ago, no
> problems mounting them on Vento HPW16 either.
>
> > > I've never had problems on either Omega V, Omicron, Montreal rims or
> > > Zonda 16R, Vento HPW16, Vento 05 wheelsets with anything but conti's
> > > tires - however they can reasonably be monuted using michelins yellow
> > > tire-irons.
>
> > > My next weelset will be Campy's again, etither custum bulid on the new
> > > record 07 hubs, Netutron 07 or Zonda 07. I haven't decided yet.
> > I have some Shamal wheels bought cheap sitting around that look
> > sharp. So I will likely tolerate the poor quality of Campagnolo rims
> > for awhile longer.
>
> Stupid remark, campy's are just difficult to mount using the tires of
> your choice. Just as i can find tires that are too big for a mavic rim.
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/tirebead.htm
Tests would indicate your remark is very stupid, or at the least
uninformed. Tires are not too big for rims. Despite internet lore to
the contrary.
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Date: 20 May 2007 06:32:13
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 20, 8:13 am, Lou Holtman <lholremovet...@planet.nl > wrote:
> Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
>
>
> > Common for the 2 decades that Campagnolo has been making rims and now
> > wheels. Campag rims are just a little bit 'bigger'. Seat the tire as
> > youi put it on well into the center of the rim, tube, then pop it on.
> > USE baby powder.
>
> Michelin Pro(2) race tires are (after the first time) easy to mount
> (without levers and sore thumbs) on my Neutron an Hyperon wheels. Both
> the 23 and 25 mm ones
>
> Lou
> --
> Posted by news://news.nb.nu (http://www.nb.nu)
try CRC HD silicone spray on rim and tire wall, two coats allow to
dry. its ood for da rubbah! cover with finisl lime wax with teflown at
joint
butbutbut use a single lever at rim top for holding the bead away from
you as you hand squeeze the bead in that direction.
do not inhale, spread over pectorals toes or genitalle (esp lemonds),
or ingest or yawl maybe sacked
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Date: 20 May 2007 04:55:57
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 18, 3:14 pm, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
<russellseat...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On May 18, 8:25 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > russellseat...@yahoo.com <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > On May 15, 7:25 pm, "datak...@yahoo.com" <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
> > > > A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the hotel
> > > > in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in between
> > > > massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons are an
> > > > incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium finisher out of
> > > > whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring. Indestructabile.
> > > > Buy three.
> > > To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
> > > Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
> > > Using the rim strip you will use. My Vento wheels are unbelievably
> > > difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a good
> > > cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke holes, they
> > > need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going into the holes.
> > > So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a tire to fit with
> > > tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not take up any more
> > > room than possible in the rim bed. I recently changed tires on an
> > > old, old Campagnolo Lambda rim with Velox tape. Very difficult to get
> > > a tire on and off. So apparently Campagnolo started this shallow rim
> > > depth when they were making rims only and long before they were making
> > > wheelsets. Try before you buy any Campagnolo wheels or rims. The
> > > aggravation of mounting tires is not worth it.
>
> > 1) drop the veloflex and use campagnolos own nylon rimstrip.
>
> Veloflex? The green plastic strip that came originally with the Vento
> wheels caused the tires to be very difficult to mount. And after a
> year, it split where it went over the huge spoke holes in the bed of
> the rim.
>
> > 2) Use decent tires from Vittoria or Michelin. Conti's are way too
> > tight.
>
> I use Vredstein Fortezza Tricomp Handmade in Holland tires on the
> Vento wheels. Also tried Continental tires. All super tight to
> mount, even with levers. I have some Bontrager and Panaracer tires
> sitting around I will get around to trying sometime. How is it
> Continental tires go on with no thumb pressure at all on Mavic Open
> Pro rims but are too tight for Campagnolo rims?
Common for the 2 decades that Campagnolo has been making rims and now
wheels. Campag rims are just a little bit 'bigger'. Seat the tire as
youi put it on well into the center of the rim, tube, then pop it on.
USE baby powder.
>
>
>
> > I've never had problems on either Omega V, Omicron, Montreal rims or
> > Zonda 16R, Vento HPW16, Vento 05 wheelsets with anything but conti's
> > tires - however they can reasonably be monuted using michelins yellow
> > tire-irons.
>
> > My next weelset will be Campy's again, etither custum bulid on the new
> > record 07 hubs, Netutron 07 or Zonda 07. I haven't decided yet.
>
> I have some Shamal wheels bought cheap sitting around that look
> sharp. So I will likely tolerate the poor quality of Campagnolo rims
> for awhile longer. But I won't get any more Campagnolo wheels using
> their rims. Mavic rims and Campagnolo hubs make the best combination.
Or ANY rim built WELL onto a Campagnolo hub.
>
>
>
> > --
> > Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> > Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
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Date: 20 May 2007 14:13:07
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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Qui si parla Campagnolo wrote:
>
> Common for the 2 decades that Campagnolo has been making rims and now
> wheels. Campag rims are just a little bit 'bigger'. Seat the tire as
> youi put it on well into the center of the rim, tube, then pop it on.
> USE baby powder.
Michelin Pro(2) race tires are (after the first time) easy to mount
(without levers and sore thumbs) on my Neutron an Hyperon wheels. Both
the 23 and 25 mm ones
Lou
--
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Date: 19 May 2007 17:52:03
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: mounting tires on Campagnolo wheels (was: are proton wheels a good deal was a humor piece)
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was Lemond a torpedo?
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Date: 18 May 2007 14:14:26
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 18, 8:25 am, Morten Reippuert Knudsen<s...@reippuert.dk > wrote:
> russellseat...@yahoo.com <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On May 15, 7:25 pm, "datak...@yahoo.com" <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
> > > A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the hotel
> > > in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in between
> > > massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons are an
> > > incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium finisher out of
> > > whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring. Indestructabile.
> > > Buy three.
> > To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
> > Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
> > Using the rim strip you will use. My Vento wheels are unbelievably
> > difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a good
> > cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke holes, they
> > need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going into the holes.
> > So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a tire to fit with
> > tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not take up any more
> > room than possible in the rim bed. I recently changed tires on an
> > old, old Campagnolo Lambda rim with Velox tape. Very difficult to get
> > a tire on and off. So apparently Campagnolo started this shallow rim
> > depth when they were making rims only and long before they were making
> > wheelsets. Try before you buy any Campagnolo wheels or rims. The
> > aggravation of mounting tires is not worth it.
>
> 1) drop the veloflex and use campagnolos own nylon rimstrip.
Veloflex? The green plastic strip that came originally with the Vento
wheels caused the tires to be very difficult to mount. And after a
year, it split where it went over the huge spoke holes in the bed of
the rim.
> 2) Use decent tires from Vittoria or Michelin. Conti's are way too
> tight.
I use Vredstein Fortezza Tricomp Handmade in Holland tires on the
Vento wheels. Also tried Continental tires. All super tight to
mount, even with levers. I have some Bontrager and Panaracer tires
sitting around I will get around to trying sometime. How is it
Continental tires go on with no thumb pressure at all on Mavic Open
Pro rims but are too tight for Campagnolo rims?
>
> I've never had problems on either Omega V, Omicron, Montreal rims or
> Zonda 16R, Vento HPW16, Vento 05 wheelsets with anything but conti's
> tires - however they can reasonably be monuted using michelins yellow
> tire-irons.
>
> My next weelset will be Campy's again, etither custum bulid on the new
> record 07 hubs, Netutron 07 or Zonda 07. I haven't decided yet.
I have some Shamal wheels bought cheap sitting around that look
sharp. So I will likely tolerate the poor quality of Campagnolo rims
for awhile longer. But I won't get any more Campagnolo wheels using
their rims. Mavic rims and Campagnolo hubs make the best combination.
>
> --
> Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk>
>
> Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Date: 19 May 2007 09:11:43
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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russellseaton1@yahoo.com <russellseaton1@yahoo.com > wrote:
> > 1) drop the veloflex and use campagnolos own nylon rimstrip.
> Veloflex? The green plastic strip that came originally with the Vento
> wheels caused the tires to be very difficult to mount. And after a
> year, it split where it went over the huge spoke holes in the bed of
> the rim.
i've used campys rimstrim at least since 94: no problems.
> > 2) Use decent tires from Vittoria or Michelin. Conti's are way too
> > tight.
> I use Vredstein Fortezza Tricomp Handmade in Holland tires on the
> Vento wheels. Also tried Continental tires. All super tight to
> mount, even with levers. I have some Bontrager and Panaracer tires
> sitting around I will get around to trying sometime. How is it
> Continental tires go on with no thumb pressure at all on Mavic Open
> Pro rims but are too tight for Campagnolo rims?
Because mavic rims are on the short side? try mounting a pair of 20 or
23 mm vittoria CX on a campy rim/wheel : no problem, where a 23mm CX's
on a mavic rim is too easy to mount.
I also seem to recall that i've used 23mm GP3000 years ago, no
problems mounting them on Vento HPW16 either.
> > I've never had problems on either Omega V, Omicron, Montreal rims or
> > Zonda 16R, Vento HPW16, Vento 05 wheelsets with anything but conti's
> > tires - however they can reasonably be monuted using michelins yellow
> > tire-irons.
> >
> > My next weelset will be Campy's again, etither custum bulid on the new
> > record 07 hubs, Netutron 07 or Zonda 07. I haven't decided yet.
> I have some Shamal wheels bought cheap sitting around that look
> sharp. So I will likely tolerate the poor quality of Campagnolo rims
> for awhile longer.
Stupid remark, campy's are just difficult to mount using the tires of
your choice. Just as i can find tires that are too big for a mavic rim.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 19 May 2007 18:17:31
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:11:43 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
> Because mavic rims are on the short side? try mounting a pair of 20 or
> 23 mm vittoria CX on a campy rim/wheel : no problem, where a 23mm CX's
> on a mavic rim is too easy to mount.
Has anyone ever had a properly seated tyre that went on very easily pop off
the rim under inflation or the stress of cornering? I'm currently using a
one-off tyre that someone gave me (Veloflex Pave) on an Open Pro, and it
goes on and comes off very easily indeed. Should I be worried?
--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
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Date: 19 May 2007 16:02:12
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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Michael Warner wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:11:43 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
>
>> Because mavic rims are on the short side? try mounting a pair of 20 or
>> 23 mm vittoria CX on a campy rim/wheel : no problem, where a 23mm CX's
>> on a mavic rim is too easy to mount.
>
> Has anyone ever had a properly seated tyre that went on very easily pop off
> the rim under inflation or the stress of cornering? I'm currently using a
> one-off tyre that someone gave me (Veloflex Pave) on an Open Pro, and it
> goes on and comes off very easily indeed. Should I be worried?
>
I have seen it once. A buddy of mine mounted a new tire, pumped it up
and at 7 bar KABENG... WTF was that? Mounted a new
tube..pump..pump..pump 7 bar....KABENG again. ???? Inspected the
tire...nothing unusual. Mounted a different tire....no problem. I don't
know what tire it was or if it mounted easily. From that day on when I
mount a new tire, I first pump it up to maximum allowed pressure plus 1 bar.
Lou
--
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Date: 19 May 2007 11:28:43
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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Dans le message de news:1w6molfm9gm9i$.1jh3pur0qhgkn.dlg@40tude.net,
Michael Warner <mvw@westnet.com.au > a réfléchi, et puis a déclaré :
> On Sat, 19 May 2007 09:11:43 +0200, Morten Reippuert Knudsen wrote:
>
>> Because mavic rims are on the short side? try mounting a pair of 20
>> or 23 mm vittoria CX on a campy rim/wheel : no problem, where a 23mm
>> CX's on a mavic rim is too easy to mount.
>
> Has anyone ever had a properly seated tyre that went on very easily
> pop off the rim under inflation or the stress of cornering? I'm
> currently using a one-off tyre that someone gave me (Veloflex Pave)
> on an Open Pro, and it goes on and comes off very easily indeed.
> Should I be worried?
About 20 years ago or more, when I didn't know about the need for hooked
rims with flexible beads, that happened, but it was a non hooked rim. If it
is seated correctly, on inflation, I have never experienced such a problem.
Not even with tires that went on easily.
--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
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Date: 17 May 2007 12:23:42
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 16, 2:34 pm, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr > wrote:
> Dans le message denews:1179342606.498306.181950@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.c=
om,
> russellseat...@yahoo.com <russellseat...@yahoo.com> a r=E9fl=E9chi, et pu=
is a
> d=E9clar=E9 :
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 11:44 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
> >> On May 16, 7:30 am, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
>
> >> <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> On May 15, 7:25 pm, "datak...@yahoo.com" <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
> >>>> A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the
> >>>> hotel in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in
> >>>> between massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons
> >>>> are an incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium
> >>>> finisher out of whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring.
> >>>> Indestructabile. Buy three.
>
> >>> To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
> >>> Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
> >>> Using the rim strip you will use. My Vento wheels are unbelievably
> >>> difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a
> >>> good cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke
> >>> holes, they need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going
> >>> into the holes. So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a
> >>> tire to fit with tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not
> >>> take up any more room than possible in the rim bed. I recently
> >>> changed tires on an old, old Campagnolo Lambda rim with Velox tape.
> >>> Very difficult to get a tire on and off. So apparently Campagnolo
> >>> started this shallow rim depth when they were making rims only and
> >>> long before they were making wheelsets. Try before you buy any
> >>> Campagnolo wheels or rims. The aggravation of mounting tires is
> >>> not worth it.
>
> >> I built up a set of (circa 1990 NOS) Campy Thorrs this week (with a
> >> Nexus-8 hub to go on my 1984 Peugeot Orient Express), and was very
> >> surprised how tight the tires (559-42 Paselas) went on. I'd used
> >> Campy rims before, but only for sewups. Because the rims were wide,
> >> They went on with a tire lever without much grief, but usually I
> >> don't need one on a 26" wheel.- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > When a tire lever is required to get a tire ON, not just OFF,
> > something is wrong with the rim. Vento wheels from 1999, Vredestein
> > Fortezza Tricomp 700Cx23 tires. Tire lever mandatory to get the tire
> > OFF. Usually tire iron required to get the tire ON. And the various
> > work arounds to get the huge spoke holes covered and not puncture the
> > tubes in less than a year of use between redoing the work arounds.
> > Deflate the tires to about 20 psi in between every ride. Other set I
> > had recent interactions with were Campagnolo Lambda rims, 80s or 90s
> > vintage I suspect. Continental Ultra 2000 700Cx23 tire. Velox rim
> > strip. Tire irons mandatory to get the tire OFF. Lots and lots of
> > thumb force to finally get the tire back ON. I've punctured more than
> > a few tubes with irons getting tires back onto Campagnolo rims. Its a
> > last resort. Same Continental Ultra 2000 tire on a Mavic CXP30 rim on
> > the bike was easy to get on and off with no levers. Mavic Open Pro
> > rims require no irons to get any tire on or off.
>
> > Be forewarned to all potential Campagnolo wheelset or rim purchaser.
> > Try to get the tires on and off with the rim strip you plan to use
> > before buying. The look and otherwise excellent quality may not make
> > up for the difficulty of getting tires on and off.
>
> Or ...
>
> Campa Proton wheels are great serious training or race wheels. Period.
Until you have a flat tire and need to change tires. Then you will
reconsider your choice.
> --
> Bonne route !
>
> Sandy
> Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
>
> PS : excuse me for answering the original question so directly.- Hide quo=
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Date: 17 May 2007 21:48:31
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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Dans le message de
news:1179429822.546081.234130@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com,
russellseaton1@yahoo.com <russellseaton1@yahoo.com > a réfléchi, et puis a
déclaré :
> On May 16, 2:34 pm, "Sandy" <leu...@frree.fr> wrote:
>> Campa Proton wheels are great serious training or race wheels.
>> Period.
>
> Until you have a flat tire and need to change tires. Then you will
> reconsider your choice.
>
In that case, I choose not to have flat tires. :-)
And, having dismounted tires on Protons by thumbs, no prob.
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Date: 17 May 2007 12:22:37
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 17, 10:55 am, Paul Kopit <pko...@att.net > wrote:
> On 16 May 2007 07:30:04 -0700, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
>
> <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >My Vento wheels are unbelievably
> >difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a good
> >cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke holes, they
> >need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going into the holes.
> >So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a tire to fit with
> >tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not take up any more
> >room than possible in the rim bed.
>
> I agree about difficulty of mounting tires on Campy rims. I believe
> that the spoke holes are 8 mm and people have used the Velocity
> Veloplugs. That helps a little.
NOPE. Velocity Veloplugs are too small for the huge holes in my Vento
wheels. They don't fall through initially. They are not that small.
But I put the Veloplugs in the Vento rim spoke holes. Put a layer of
3M strapping tape over the plugs. A few months later, the plugs had
been pushed through the rim spoke holes. This even though I deflated
the tires in between every single ride.
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Date: 16 May 2007 19:04:13
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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Good grief. I frogout tire mounting!
Q. I can't get my tires on the rim. I have Zimflander Euro Uber
Deltsch 700x10 and a 700c rim. I had to file the rim to get the tires
on but the tubes blow out when I jump curbs. Wgat can I do?
A. dear tubeless. Search tech archives for: DIY tire datakoll
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Date: 16 May 2007 14:59:24
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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good grief! I forgot tire mounting.
Q. I can't mount the Zimlander Euro 700c x 10 on a 700c rim. I filled
the rim down to get the Zimflander on but the tubes blow out when I
jump a curb. What can I do?
A. search tech archives for DIY Tire datakoll
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Date: 16 May 2007 14:31:17
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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good grief! i forgot!
Q how do I mount the tire? does a zicklander euro fit on a 700c rim? I
filled the rim down to get the tire on but the tubes blow out when I
go over a curb to fast.
A. read DIY Tire in tech achives
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Date: 16 May 2007 12:10:06
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 16, 11:44 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net > wrote:
> On May 16, 7:30 am, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On May 15, 7:25 pm, "datak...@yahoo.com" <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
> > > A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the hotel
> > > in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in between
> > > massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons are an
> > > incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium finisher out of
> > > whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring. Indestructabile.
> > > Buy three.
>
> > To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
> > Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
> > Using the rim strip you will use. My Vento wheels are unbelievably
> > difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a good
> > cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke holes, they
> > need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going into the holes.
> > So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a tire to fit with
> > tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not take up any more
> > room than possible in the rim bed. I recently changed tires on an
> > old, old Campagnolo Lambda rim with Velox tape. Very difficult to get
> > a tire on and off. So apparently Campagnolo started this shallow rim
> > depth when they were making rims only and long before they were making
> > wheelsets. Try before you buy any Campagnolo wheels or rims. The
> > aggravation of mounting tires is not worth it.
>
> I built up a set of (circa 1990 NOS) Campy Thorrs this week (with a
> Nexus-8 hub to go on my 1984 Peugeot Orient Express), and was very
> surprised how tight the tires (559-42 Paselas) went on. I'd used Campy
> rims before, but only for sewups. Because the rims were wide, They
> went on with a tire lever without much grief, but usually I don't need
> one on a 26" wheel.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
When a tire lever is required to get a tire ON, not just OFF,
something is wrong with the rim. Vento wheels from 1999, Vredestein
Fortezza Tricomp 700Cx23 tires. Tire lever mandatory to get the tire
OFF. Usually tire iron required to get the tire ON. And the various
work arounds to get the huge spoke holes covered and not puncture the
tubes in less than a year of use between redoing the work arounds.
Deflate the tires to about 20 psi in between every ride. Other set I
had recent interactions with were Campagnolo Lambda rims, 80s or 90s
vintage I suspect. Continental Ultra 2000 700Cx23 tire. Velox rim
strip. Tire irons mandatory to get the tire OFF. Lots and lots of
thumb force to finally get the tire back ON. I've punctured more than
a few tubes with irons getting tires back onto Campagnolo rims. Its a
last resort. Same Continental Ultra 2000 tire on a Mavic CXP30 rim on
the bike was easy to get on and off with no levers. Mavic Open Pro
rims require no irons to get any tire on or off.
Be forewarned to all potential Campagnolo wheelset or rim purchaser.
Try to get the tires on and off with the rim strip you plan to use
before buying. The look and otherwise excellent quality may not make
up for the difficulty of getting tires on and off.
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Date: 16 May 2007 21:34:00
From: Sandy
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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Dans le message de
news:1179342606.498306.181950@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
russellseaton1@yahoo.com <russellseaton1@yahoo.com > a réfléchi, et puis a
déclaré :
> On May 16, 11:44 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>> On May 16, 7:30 am, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> On May 15, 7:25 pm, "datak...@yahoo.com" <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
>>>> A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the
>>>> hotel in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in
>>>> between massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons
>>>> are an incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium
>>>> finisher out of whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring.
>>>> Indestructabile. Buy three.
>>
>>> To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
>>> Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
>>> Using the rim strip you will use. My Vento wheels are unbelievably
>>> difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a
>>> good cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke
>>> holes, they need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going
>>> into the holes. So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a
>>> tire to fit with tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not
>>> take up any more room than possible in the rim bed. I recently
>>> changed tires on an old, old Campagnolo Lambda rim with Velox tape.
>>> Very difficult to get a tire on and off. So apparently Campagnolo
>>> started this shallow rim depth when they were making rims only and
>>> long before they were making wheelsets. Try before you buy any
>>> Campagnolo wheels or rims. The aggravation of mounting tires is
>>> not worth it.
>>
>> I built up a set of (circa 1990 NOS) Campy Thorrs this week (with a
>> Nexus-8 hub to go on my 1984 Peugeot Orient Express), and was very
>> surprised how tight the tires (559-42 Paselas) went on. I'd used
>> Campy rims before, but only for sewups. Because the rims were wide,
>> They went on with a tire lever without much grief, but usually I
>> don't need one on a 26" wheel.- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> When a tire lever is required to get a tire ON, not just OFF,
> something is wrong with the rim. Vento wheels from 1999, Vredestein
> Fortezza Tricomp 700Cx23 tires. Tire lever mandatory to get the tire
> OFF. Usually tire iron required to get the tire ON. And the various
> work arounds to get the huge spoke holes covered and not puncture the
> tubes in less than a year of use between redoing the work arounds.
> Deflate the tires to about 20 psi in between every ride. Other set I
> had recent interactions with were Campagnolo Lambda rims, 80s or 90s
> vintage I suspect. Continental Ultra 2000 700Cx23 tire. Velox rim
> strip. Tire irons mandatory to get the tire OFF. Lots and lots of
> thumb force to finally get the tire back ON. I've punctured more than
> a few tubes with irons getting tires back onto Campagnolo rims. Its a
> last resort. Same Continental Ultra 2000 tire on a Mavic CXP30 rim on
> the bike was easy to get on and off with no levers. Mavic Open Pro
> rims require no irons to get any tire on or off.
>
> Be forewarned to all potential Campagnolo wheelset or rim purchaser.
> Try to get the tires on and off with the rim strip you plan to use
> before buying. The look and otherwise excellent quality may not make
> up for the difficulty of getting tires on and off.
Or ...
Campa Proton wheels are great serious training or race wheels. Period.
--
Bonne route !
Sandy
Verneuil-sur-Seine FR
PS : excuse me for answering the original question so directly.
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Date: 16 May 2007 09:44:58
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 16, 7:30 am, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
<russellseat...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On May 15, 7:25 pm, "datak...@yahoo.com" <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
> > A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the hotel
> > in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in between
> > massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons are an
> > incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium finisher out of
> > whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring. Indestructabile.
> > Buy three.
>
> To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
> Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
> Using the rim strip you will use. My Vento wheels are unbelievably
> difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a good
> cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke holes, they
> need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going into the holes.
> So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a tire to fit with
> tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not take up any more
> room than possible in the rim bed. I recently changed tires on an
> old, old Campagnolo Lambda rim with Velox tape. Very difficult to get
> a tire on and off. So apparently Campagnolo started this shallow rim
> depth when they were making rims only and long before they were making
> wheelsets. Try before you buy any Campagnolo wheels or rims. The
> aggravation of mounting tires is not worth it.
I built up a set of (circa 1990 NOS) Campy Thorrs this week (with a
Nexus-8 hub to go on my 1984 Peugeot Orient Express), and was very
surprised how tight the tires (559-42 Paselas) went on. I'd used Campy
rims before, but only for sewups. Because the rims were wide, They
went on with a tire lever without much grief, but usually I don't need
one on a 26" wheel.
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Date: 16 May 2007 08:45:50
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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The aggravation of mounting tires is not worth it. well, don't mount
them. the hell with it.
we spray tires and clean rims with furniture polish, CRC HD silicone
spray and Finish Line wax with teflon "dry lube" and vegtable oil
mixed with perfume.
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Date: 16 May 2007 07:30:04
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On May 15, 7:25 pm, "datak...@yahoo.com" <datak...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
> A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the hotel
> in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in between
> massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons are an
> incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium finisher out of
> whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring. Indestructabile.
> Buy three.
To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
Using the rim strip you will use. My Vento wheels are unbelievably
difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a good
cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke holes, they
need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going into the holes.
So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a tire to fit with
tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not take up any more
room than possible in the rim bed. I recently changed tires on an
old, old Campagnolo Lambda rim with Velox tape. Very difficult to get
a tire on and off. So apparently Campagnolo started this shallow rim
depth when they were making rims only and long before they were making
wheelsets. Try before you buy any Campagnolo wheels or rims. The
aggravation of mounting tires is not worth it.
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Date: 18 May 2007 21:39:41
From: Claus Assmann
Subject: Re: mounting tires on Campagnolo wheels (was: are proton wheels a good deal?)
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russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
> Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
That depends also on the tire, for example on Eurus wheels:
Michelin Pro 2 Race 20mm: I can't mount those without tools.
Vredestein Fortezza 23mm: easy to mount.
I have several sets of Campagnolo wheels (Vento 16HPW, Eurus,
Vento G3).
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Date: 19 May 2007 22:07:16
From: Andrew Price
Subject: Re: mounting tires on Campagnolo wheels (was: are proton wheels a good deal?)
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On Fri, 18 May 2007 21:39:41 +0000 (UTC), Claus Assmann
<ca+sendmail(no-copies-please)@mine.informatik.uni-kiel.de > wrote:
>That depends also on the tire, for example on Eurus wheels:
>
>Michelin Pro 2 Race 20mm: I can't mount those without tools.
>Vredestein Fortezza 23mm: easy to mount.
Another difficult combination is Vento wheels and Vittoria Zafiro 23mm
tyres (just possible without tools, but I have sore thumbs for days
afterwards)
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Date: 18 May 2007 15:25:33
From: Morten Reippuert Knudsen
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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russellseaton1@yahoo.com <russellseaton1@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On May 15, 7:25 pm, "datak...@yahoo.com" <datak...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
> > A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the hotel
> > in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in between
> > massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons are an
> > incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium finisher out of
> > whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring. Indestructabile.
> > Buy three.
> To interject some seriousness into this thread. Before buying any
> Campagnolo wheel or rim, make sure to try mounting tires onto them.
> Using the rim strip you will use. My Vento wheels are unbelievably
> difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a good
> cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke holes, they
> need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going into the holes.
> So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a tire to fit with
> tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not take up any more
> room than possible in the rim bed. I recently changed tires on an
> old, old Campagnolo Lambda rim with Velox tape. Very difficult to get
> a tire on and off. So apparently Campagnolo started this shallow rim
> depth when they were making rims only and long before they were making
> wheelsets. Try before you buy any Campagnolo wheels or rims. The
> aggravation of mounting tires is not worth it.
1) drop the veloflex and use campagnolos own nylon rimstrip.
2) Use decent tires from Vittoria or Michelin. Conti's are way too
tight.
I've never had problems on either Omega V, Omicron, Montreal rims or
Zonda 16R, Vento HPW16, Vento 05 wheelsets with anything but conti's
tires - however they can reasonably be monuted using michelins yellow
tire-irons.
My next weelset will be Campy's again, etither custum bulid on the new
record 07 hubs, Netutron 07 or Zonda 07. I haven't decided yet.
--
Morten Reippuert Knudsen :-) <http://blog.reippuert.dk >
Merlin Works CR-3/2.5 & Campagnolo Chorus 2007.
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Date: 17 May 2007 15:55:13
From: Paul Kopit
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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On 16 May 2007 07:30:04 -0700, "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<russellseaton1@yahoo.com > wrote:
>My Vento wheels are unbelievably
>difficult to mount tire onto, shallow rim depth, so cannot use a good
>cloth rim strip like Velox. And because of the huge spoke holes, they
>need a good rim strip to prevent the tube from going into the holes.
>So goofy alternative measures are needed to get a tire to fit with
>tire levers and cover the huge spoke holes and not take up any more
>room than possible in the rim bed.
I agree about difficulty of mounting tires on Campy rims. I believe
that the spoke holes are 8 mm and people have used the Velocity
Veloplugs. That helps a little.
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Date: 16 May 2007 06:14:05
From: datakoll@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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cycling from the prayer wheel on can be a religious experience:
inverse nature deficit disorder plus excercise endorphins, nervous
summation, turn turn turn
the peloton is missing this one!
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Date: 15 May 2007 21:16:12
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: are proton wheels a good deal?
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datakoll@yahoo.com wrote:
> Q. are proton wheels a good deal?
> A. Funny you should ask! We were sitting around the pool at the hotel
> in Puerto Valentra discussing our protons 3 weeks ago in between
> massage and swim. We came to the conclusion that Protons are an
> incredible bargain at any price, would make a podium finisher out of
> whathisname, and are equally suitable for touring. Indestructabile.
> Buy three.
All these caps... Mushrooms?
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