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Date: 29 Jun 2007 22:22:31
From: stankurz@gmail.com
Subject: bottom bracket
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Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
bike but nevertheless....
A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 10:34:40
From: Joe Bernard
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 2, 11:10 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 2, 10:03 pm, Orin <orin.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 10:55 pm, raam...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
> > > distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
> > > cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
> > > catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
> > > has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
> > > could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
> > > (fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
> > > cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
> > don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
> > idea to me.
>
> > Orin.
>
> Thanks everybody. I would like to invoke St. Rodney: "can't we all
> just get along?" If we are on two wheels and without benefit of the
> infernal combustion engine we are O.K. No? Speaking of fender
> clearance Would 650 wheels allow me to run 28 -32 tires and /or
> fenders without compromising performance?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
If you're talking 650c, I think it'll be difficult to find tires
bigger than 25mm. 650b with long-reach brakes will solve the big tires/
fenders problem, but, I agree with Qui si parla, it will change the
ride. Even for a retrogrouch like me, I think 650b would be maybe too
drastic a move for a carbon Cervelo. The clip-on fender is a good idea
because you don't have to try to get them between the tires and brakes.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 19:20:17
From: still me
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:34:40 -0700, Joe Bernard
<josephrbernard@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>If you're talking 650c, I think it'll be difficult to find tires
>bigger than 25mm. 650b with long-reach brakes will solve the big tires/
>fenders problem, but, I agree with Qui si parla, it will change the
>ride. Even for a retrogrouch like me, I think 650b would be maybe too
>drastic a move for a carbon Cervelo. The clip-on fender is a good idea
>because you don't have to try to get them between the tires and brakes.
Just move back a few years, buy a typical 70's R531 "non all out race"
frame. You get a strong, durable frame, room for fenders.
The only downside is when everyone is bragging about how big his dick
is, and yours is not made from carbon fiber.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 12:34:21
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 3, 12:10 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 2, 10:03 pm, Orin <orin.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 10:55 pm, raam...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
> > > distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
> > > cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
> > > catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
> > > has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
> > > could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
> > > (fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
> > > cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
> > don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
> > idea to me.
>
> > Orin.
>
> Thanks everybody. I would like to invoke St. Rodney: "can't we all
> just get along?" If we are on two wheels and without benefit of the
> infernal combustion engine we are O.K. No? Speaking of fender
> clearance Would 650 wheels allow me to run 28 -32 tires and /or
> fenders without compromising performance?
650 wheels will change the ride of the bike a lot not to mention
whether or not the brakes would reach. Get some of those clipon
fenders, they work fine when it's raining to keep water off your butt
and face.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 00:48:50
From:
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 3, 2:10 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 2, 10:03 pm, Orin <orin.e...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 10:55 pm, raam...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
> > > distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
> > > cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
> > > catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
> > > has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
> > > could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
> > > (fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
> > > cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -
>
> > Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
> > don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
> > idea to me.
>
> > Orin.
>
> Thanks everybody. I would like to invoke St. Rodney: "can't we all
> just get along?" If we are on two wheels and without benefit of the
> infernal combustion engine we are O.K. No? Speaking of fender
> clearance Would 650 wheels allow me to run 28 -32 tires and /or
> fenders without compromising performance?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
you might be able to get away with clip-on fenders- but 650 wheels
might be hard to source tubes or tires going thru a small town and you
need to replace a cut tire; it happens
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 00:41:39
From:
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 2, 8:53 pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net > wrote:
> raam...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 4:50 pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >> raam...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
> >>> distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
> >>> cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
> >>> catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.
> >> Old, old wife's tale.
>
> > mishap is old wives tale ? hell, yesterday I nearly got sideswiped off
> > the road as a car reared ended another and bounced into the curb right
> > in front of me.
>
> I don't the connection...
>
a mishap/ crash whatever can happen anywhere anytime- a frame that is
more fragile can be worrying on a long ride out to the boonies, or
because of finances has to last would not so easily or quickly
replaced
> > I recall my old alum stems would produce hairline
> > cracks after about a year- I changed them then so nothing further than
> > that- and harsher ride is no myth either.
>
> All/any bike parts can crack, whatever the material.
>
cromoly bends and tears, nothing sudden there- I loved my cinelli
cromo stem because I could trust that no matter what, it would not
snap on me
> Let's just say the "harsh ride" is controversial -- although it does
> seem to have become a minority opinion.
I have altered my last route home because the cracked road is
uncomfortably jarring since retiring my cromoly frame and getting my
cervelo
>
> > the cervelo top tube is too
> > thin to clamp in a workstand- not that I did so with any other bike,
> > but the cervelo warns against clamping the top tube- I wonder how thin
> > it really is ? ok I ride a cervelo on long distances, but my choice
> > was a package deal- there are things about cervelo that I have wished
> > were different, I just thought I might share those thoughts.
>
> You can't clamp light steel top tubes either.
yeah, but you can't clamp the seat tube on a cervelo either, as the
shape does not make for a clamp, nor can you use the seatpost to clamp
either because of the same bladed shape. but my point is that the top
tube is thin and has cut cable routing holes in either end of the
tube- not the best thing for frame integrity is it ? if something
happens to my frame I can easily afford to replace it, so it's not
such a big deal for me, but for someone else it might be. I appreciate
the overall stiffness for climbing; no doubt, it climbs better than
any other bike I've owned; but if my financial situation was
different, or I wasn't married with my wife able to come get me if my
frame broke out there (although she can't navigate worth beans) I
might not like to go out too far on a cervelo.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 07:48:40
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 00:41:39 -0700, raamman@gmail.com wrote:
>a mishap/ crash whatever can happen anywhere anytime- a frame that is
>more fragile can be worrying on a long ride out to the boonies,
Cracks that develop with use will almost never prevent you from
riding. In the rare instances when they occur it's usually the case
that the crack develops slowly and is not noticed for several or even
many rides.
And cracking a frame by crashing? The sort of crash that would make a
frame unrideable is a hard, head-on crash that is both rare and the
type that, when it happens, would give you other things to worry
about.
For riding on the road I think you're overally or irrationally
cautious.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 07:29:53
From: Peter Cole
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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raamman@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 2, 8:53 pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> raam...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Jul 2, 4:50 pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> raam...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
>>>>> distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
>>>>> cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
>>>>> catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.
>>>> Old, old wife's tale.
>>> mishap is old wives tale ? hell, yesterday I nearly got sideswiped off
>>> the road as a car reared ended another and bounced into the curb right
>>> in front of me.
>> I don't the connection...
>>
> a mishap/ crash whatever can happen anywhere anytime- a frame that is
> more fragile can be worrying on a long ride out to the boonies, or
> because of finances has to last would not so easily or quickly
> replaced
If you're really worried about getting disabled in the boonies wheels,
not frame, should be your primary concern. They're typically the weakest
link.
Aluminum frames are typically overbuilt to compensate for fatigue
characteristics, so they may actually be more crash-worthy -- not that I
think that's an issue for distance riding.
>
>>> I recall my old alum stems would produce hairline
>>> cracks after about a year- I changed them then so nothing further than
>>> that- and harsher ride is no myth either.
>> All/any bike parts can crack, whatever the material.
>>
> cromoly bends and tears, nothing sudden there- I loved my cinelli
> cromo stem because I could trust that no matter what, it would not
> snap on me
If you were consistent then you'd want steel bars, cranks, rims, seat
post, calipers, hubs... in comparison, frame failures are pretty benign
(also rare and just about as common in any material).
>> Let's just say the "harsh ride" is controversial -- although it does
>> seem to have become a minority opinion.
>
> I have altered my last route home because the cracked road is
> uncomfortably jarring since retiring my cromoly frame and getting my
> cervelo
This issue has been flogged to death many times over the years here. It
comes down to opinion.
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 06:10:57
From: stankurz@gmail.com
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 2, 10:03 pm, Orin <orin.e...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jul 1, 10:55 pm, raam...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
> > distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
> > cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
> > catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
> > has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
> > could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
> > (fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
> > cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -
>
> Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
> don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
> idea to me.
>
> Orin.
Thanks everybody. I would like to invoke St. Rodney: "can't we all
just get along?" If we are on two wheels and without benefit of the
infernal combustion engine we are O.K. No? Speaking of fender
clearance Would 650 wheels allow me to run 28 -32 tires and /or
fenders without compromising performance?
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Date: 03 Jul 2007 05:03:56
From: Orin
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 1, 10:55 pm, raam...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
> distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
> cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
> catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
> has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
> could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
> (fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
> cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).- Hide quoted text -
Cervelo R3 is carbon. Other than lack of fender clearance (I really
don't like unexpected soakings on long rides), it sounds like a fine
idea to me.
Orin.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 16:14:19
From:
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 2, 4:50 pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net > wrote:
> raam...@gmail.com wrote:
> > I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
> > distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
> > cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
> > catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.
>
> Old, old wife's tale.
mishap is old wives tale ? hell, yesterday I nearly got sideswiped off
the road as a car reared ended another and bounced into the curb right
in front of me. I recall my old alum stems would produce hairline
cracks after about a year- I changed them then so nothing further than
that- and harsher ride is no myth either. the cervelo top tube is too
thin to clamp in a workstand- not that I did so with any other bike,
but the cervelo warns against clamping the top tube- I wonder how thin
it really is ? ok I ride a cervelo on long distances, but my choice
was a package deal- there are things about cervelo that I have wished
were different, I just thought I might share those thoughts.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 20:53:42
From: Peter Cole
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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raamman@gmail.com wrote:
> On Jul 2, 4:50 pm, Peter Cole <peter_c...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> raam...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
>>> distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
>>> cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
>>> catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.
>> Old, old wife's tale.
>
> mishap is old wives tale ? hell, yesterday I nearly got sideswiped off
> the road as a car reared ended another and bounced into the curb right
> in front of me.
I don't the connection...
> I recall my old alum stems would produce hairline
> cracks after about a year- I changed them then so nothing further than
> that- and harsher ride is no myth either.
All/any bike parts can crack, whatever the material.
Let's just say the "harsh ride" is controversial -- although it does
seem to have become a minority opinion.
> the cervelo top tube is too
> thin to clamp in a workstand- not that I did so with any other bike,
> but the cervelo warns against clamping the top tube- I wonder how thin
> it really is ? ok I ride a cervelo on long distances, but my choice
> was a package deal- there are things about cervelo that I have wished
> were different, I just thought I might share those thoughts.
You can't clamp light steel top tubes either.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 14:31:59
From: Joe Bernard
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 2, 2:07 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jul 2, 3:49 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 12:46 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 2, 2:09 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > > > > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > > > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > > > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> > > > > > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > > > > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > > > > > thanks for the straight answers guys
>
> > > > > > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > > > > > Ultra-Torque is preferable.
>
> > > > > Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.
>
> > > > > > My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> > > > > > at internet-...@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > > > > > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > > > > > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > > > > > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > > > > > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > > > > > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > > > > > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > > > > > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > > > > > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
>
> > > > > > Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.
>
> > > > > The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
> > > > > Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?
>
> > > > > > My first foray into this
> > > > > > forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
> > > > > > the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
> > > > > > topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
> > > > > > kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
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> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > I asked if he's a Bob and he asked what a Bob was so I answered him. I
> > > > and several other folks gave him detailed answers about his plans for
> > > > his Cervelo. What's with your attack style of replies?-
>
> > > Attack? Just pointed out your agenda-driven reply, that's all. I
> > > didn't even mention the whining you did, did I?- Hide quoted text -
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>
> > What agenda? I was pretty sure the guy was a Bob, so I mentioned it.
>
> Yeah, and you were "pretty sure" Peter Chisholm was a champion of
> external bearing BBs, too, weren't ya? In both cases you were "pretty
> sure" based on *nothing* in evidence.
>
> > I didn't expect him to be unaware of the term, therefore I didn't expect
> > to be explaining it. I don't care who rides what bike, as you clearly
> > do.
>
> I do? Do tell, what do I think people should ride?
>
> > Your agenda is to accuse me of trying to convert people to my type
> > of riding.
>
> Not at all. But, if you want to use your posts to preach the Gospel
> According to Grant, you can expect some dissent. Live with it.
>
> I was just answering the guy's question. So far you haven't
>
> > answered any of them. What do you think of his component choices? Good
> > idea, or is he also riding the "wrong" bike?-
>
> Peter and Andrew pretty much covered all the bases re:the OP's
> question, there was little to add.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
As I stated, I guessed about the BB thing. I never said I was "pretty
sure" what Peter meant. As for being "pretty sure" about the "Bob"
thing, the guy called himself a retrogrouch. Most people who bandy
that term about are aware of Bridgestone and Rivendell and all that,
so I was "pretty sure" he would know what I was referring to. When it
turned out he didn't - and wanted to know what I was talking about - I
told him. And all I did was explain it. I didn't tell him it was "the
better way" or in any other way try to get him to "see the light". I
have no problem with dissent. I do have a problem with your style of
it. I know, you'll have another snappy retort asserting your dominance
until the last person left still reading our boring little catfight
will know you're right and I'm wrong. You win. Uncle!
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 14:07:47
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 2, 3:49 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> On Jul 2, 12:46 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 2:09 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > > > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> > > > > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > > > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > > > > thanks for the straight answers guys
>
> > > > > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > > > > Ultra-Torque is preferable.
>
> > > > Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.
>
> > > > > My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> > > > > at internet-...@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > > > > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > > > > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > > > > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > > > > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > > > > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > > > > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > > > > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > > > > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
>
> > > > > Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.
>
> > > > The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
> > > > Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?
>
> > > > > My first foray into this
> > > > > forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
> > > > > the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
> > > > > topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
> > > > > kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > I asked if he's a Bob and he asked what a Bob was so I answered him. I
> > > and several other folks gave him detailed answers about his plans for
> > > his Cervelo. What's with your attack style of replies?-
>
> > Attack? Just pointed out your agenda-driven reply, that's all. I
> > didn't even mention the whining you did, did I?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> What agenda? I was pretty sure the guy was a Bob, so I mentioned it.
Yeah, and you were "pretty sure" Peter Chisholm was a champion of
external bearing BBs, too, weren't ya? In both cases you were "pretty
sure" based on *nothing* in evidence.
> I didn't expect him to be unaware of the term, therefore I didn't expect
> to be explaining it. I don't care who rides what bike, as you clearly
> do.
I do? Do tell, what do I think people should ride?
> Your agenda is to accuse me of trying to convert people to my type
> of riding.
Not at all. But, if you want to use your posts to preach the Gospel
According to Grant, you can expect some dissent. Live with it.
I was just answering the guy's question. So far you haven't
> answered any of them. What do you think of his component choices? Good
> idea, or is he also riding the "wrong" bike?-
Peter and Andrew pretty much covered all the bases re:the OP's
question, there was little to add.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 13:49:38
From: Joe Bernard
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 2, 12:46 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jul 2, 2:09 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
> > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> > > > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > > > thanks for the straight answers guys
>
> > > > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > > > Ultra-Torque is preferable.
>
> > > Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.
>
> > > > My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> > > > at internet-...@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > > > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > > > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > > > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > > > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > > > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > > > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > > > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > > > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
>
> > > > Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.
>
> > > The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
> > > Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?
>
> > > > My first foray into this
> > > > forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
> > > > the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
> > > > topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
> > > > kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I asked if he's a Bob and he asked what a Bob was so I answered him. I
> > and several other folks gave him detailed answers about his plans for
> > his Cervelo. What's with your attack style of replies?-
>
> Attack? Just pointed out your agenda-driven reply, that's all. I
> didn't even mention the whining you did, did I?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
What agenda? I was pretty sure the guy was a Bob, so I mentioned it. I
didn't expect him to be unaware of the term, therefore I didn't expect
to be explaining it. I don't care who rides what bike, as you clearly
do. Your agenda is to accuse me of trying to convert people to my type
of riding. I was just answering the guy's question. So far you haven't
answered any of them. What do you think of his component choices? Good
idea, or is he also riding the "wrong" bike?
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:46:47
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
|
On Jul 2, 2:09 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> > > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > > thanks for the straight answers guys
>
> > > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > > Ultra-Torque is preferable.
>
> > Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.
>
> > > My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> > > at internet-...@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
>
> > > Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.
>
> > The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
> > Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?
>
> > > My first foray into this
> > > forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
> > > the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
> > > topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
> > > kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I asked if he's a Bob and he asked what a Bob was so I answered him. I
> and several other folks gave him detailed answers about his plans for
> his Cervelo. What's with your attack style of replies?-
Attack? Just pointed out your agenda-driven reply, that's all. I
didn't even mention the whining you did, did I?
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:44:06
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
|
On Jul 2, 2:14 pm, bfd <bfd...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> > > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > > thanks for the straight answers guys
>
> > > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > > Ultra-Torque is preferable.
>
> > Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.
>
> > > My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> > > at internet-...@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
>
> > > Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.
>
> > The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
> > Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?
>
> Come on, it could be worst, he could have asked about 650B (584mm)
> wheels?!#@#!$#-
>
>
That wouldn't "be worst", just completely different. And the Riv-laden
reply from Joe would have made more sense in that context.
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:14:24
From: bfd
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
|
On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > thanks for the straight answers guys
>
> > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > Ultra-Torque is preferable.
>
> Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.
>
> > My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> > at internet-...@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
>
> > Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.
>
> The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
> Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?
>
Come on, it could be worst, he could have asked about 650B (584mm)
wheels?!#@#!$#
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:09:06
From: Joe Bernard
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
|
On Jul 1, 6:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > thanks for the straight answers guys
>
> > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > Ultra-Torque is preferable.
>
> Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.
>
> > My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> > at internet-...@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
>
> > Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.
>
> The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
> Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?
>
>
>
> > My first foray into this
> > forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
> > the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
> > topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
> > kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I asked if he's a Bob and he asked what a Bob was so I answered him. I
and several other folks gave him detailed answers about his plans for
his Cervelo. What's with your attack style of replies?
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 12:24:00
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
|
On Jul 1, 1:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> thanks for the straight answers guys
Geezzz, let's not forget our sense of humor here.
Google 'Bob's your uncle' for a.little glimpse of English history and
I always opine about the far superior Italian threaded BB..just to see
who crows....
It's a JOKE.....
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 22:55:25
From:
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
|
On Jul 1, 9:43 pm, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> > > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > > thanks for the straight answers guys
>
> > I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> > Ultra-Torque is preferable.
>
> Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.
>
> > My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> > at internet-...@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> > Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> > created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> > steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> > interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> > riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> > saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> > very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> > carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
>
> > Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.
>
> The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
> Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?
>
>
>
> > My first foray into this
> > forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
> > the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
> > topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
> > kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap. the frame geometry
has some unique size limitations including a propietary seatpost that
could hinder individual preference and needs for long distance riding
(fenders, waterbottles- I had to try a few different type of bottle
cages that wolud allow me to fit 2 bottles in my small size frame).
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Date: 02 Jul 2007 16:50:28
From: Peter Cole
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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raamman@gmail.com wrote:
> I don't think it, a cervelo, would be the wisest choice for long
> distance bike; it's aluminum frame, a harsher ride than good old
> cromoly tubes, the fact it is aluminum means it will be more prone to
> catastrophic failure caused by fatigue,or mishap.
Old, old wife's tale.
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 18:43:22
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 1, 6:47 pm, Joe Bernard <josephrbern...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> > inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> > bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> > thanks for the straight answers guys
>
> I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
> Ultra-Torque is preferable.
Howz yer foot taste? Hope ya washed it before ya stuck in yer mouth.
> My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
> at internet-...@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
> Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
> created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
> steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
> interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
> riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
> saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
> very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
> carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
>
> Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming.
The OP asked about a Cervelo, and you start babbling about The Grant,
Rivenschtick, iBobs and so on. Obsess much?
> My first foray into this
> forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
> the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
> topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
> kind of wheels are you going to use?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 16:47:50
From: Joe Bernard
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jul 1, 12:04 am, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > > bike but nevertheless....
> > > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> > No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> > FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> > that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
>
> inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
> bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
> thanks for the straight answers guys
I'm guessing Qui si thinks an outboard bearing crank/BB like the Campy
Ultra-Torque is preferable. My reference to "Bob" is a group of folks
at internet-bob@bikelist.org. The phrase originated with Bridgestone
Owner's Bunch, a club Grant Petersen [now owner/designer at Rivendell]
created when he was Product Manager for Bridgestone USA, a purveyor of
steel bicycles. The term has come to personify riders who are
interested in lugged steel bicycles and "traditional" components and
riding gear [read: Down-tube or bar-end shifters, Brooks leather
saddles and wool jerseys]. Your component choices for your Cervelo are
very familiar to Bobs, and we [I'm one of "them"] often refer to
carbon bikes as "the dark side", hence my guess that you're a Bob.
Prepare for lots of Rivendell/Bob flaming. My first foray into this
forum last week generated a lot of antagonism towards this corner of
the cycling universe, and very little information directed towards the
topic I actually brought up, wheels. Hey, there's a question. What
kind of wheels are you going to use?
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Date: 01 Jul 2007 07:04:19
From: stankurz@gmail.com
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jun 30, 5:55 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <p...@vecchios.com > wrote:
> On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > bike but nevertheless....
> > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
> FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
> that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
inferior english BB the superior choice being? and whats this about
bob wandring ... and bob'syeruncle all about.
thanks for the straight answers guys
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Date: 30 Jun 2007 12:55:16
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jun 29, 4:22 pm, "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> bike but nevertheless....
> A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
No problema..standard if inferior english BB, long cage RD...triple
FD, shifters, chain, and bob'syeruncle. Nothing wierd about this frame
that will prevent you from doin' what ya want.
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Date: 29 Jun 2007 20:00:54
From: Joe Bernard
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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On Jun 29, 4:39 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <1183155751.214656.104...@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
> ,
>
> "stank...@gmail.com" <stank...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> > mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> > R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> > bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> > large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> > old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> > bike but nevertheless....
> > A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
>
> If you want low gears, are not doing loaded touring,
> are not riding up cliffs, then a triple and ordinary
> road cassette configuration is excellent. Say
>
> 26-38-48 and 12-23.
>
> On long rides being in exactly the right gear is
> helpful, hence the closely spaced cassette.
>
> --
> Michael Press
I run 26-36-46 with 12-27. Gears spaced close enough for me. You could
also run a 26-36-48 ring with Sheldon's "Century Special" 13-30
cassette at Harriscyclery.com. Whichever way you go, I think your plan
makes for a very useful Cervelo. You're a Bob wandering off the
reservation, yes?
Joe
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Date: 29 Jun 2007 23:39:50
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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In article
<1183155751.214656.104950@a26g2000pre.googlegroups.com >
,
"stankurz@gmail.com" <stankurz@gmail.com > wrote:
> Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> bike but nevertheless....
> A former retrogrouch curious about the dark side.
If you want low gears, are not doing loaded touring,
are not riding up cliffs, then a triple and ordinary
road cassette configuration is excellent. Say
26-38-48 and 12-23.
On long rides being in exactly the right gear is
helpful, hence the closely spaced cassette.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 29 Jun 2007 18:01:18
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: bottom bracket
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stankurz@gmail.com wrote:
> Thinking about a new toy i.e.: building myself a long distance codger-
> mobile for century's and doubles C's. I want to start with a Cervelo
> R3 and put an old school Sugino triple crank with a square taper
> bottom bracket and combine this with a mountain cassette with a very
> large cog in the back. Just looking for some thrills and such in my
> old age. Does this configuration make sense. I know it not about the
> bike but nevertheless....
There's no technical reason you can't do just that.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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