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Date: 11 Jul 2007 23:17:58
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Subject: how many km's between tyres?
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My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
be helping with resitance??
when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
moment.
I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
Thanks
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 00:48:32
From: lightninglad
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
> My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> be helping with resitance??
> when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> moment.
>
> I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> Thanks
On our rough chipseal roads, Michelin Pros give about 1400 kms ( 840
miles.)
I like the Mich Pros, but they're reputed to have a soft tread. Give
the Continental 4000 a go - lovely ride, fast with a good rep.
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 07:07:43
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 17, 7:44 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <1184674809.444098.150...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>
> ,
> Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 12:33 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <1184243888.790145.194...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Ozark Bicycle
>
> > > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > > On Jul 12, 3:22 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> > > > > > be helping with resitance??
> > > > > > when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> > > > > > currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> > > > > > they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> > > > > > If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> > > > > > I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> > > > > > Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> > > > > > moment.
>
> > > > > > I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> > > > > > Thanks
>
> > > > > That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire, Fronts
> > > > > usually last longer than rears, because there's less weight on them,
> > > > > and they're not driving the bike forward.
>
> > > > > Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
> > > > > you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
> > > > > through the tread.
>
> > > > > Don't rotate front for rear,
>
> > > > Says who? (Never mind, I know the source of that nonsense.) Thoughtful
> > > > tire rotation increases tire life.
>
> > > How does swapping front tire and rear tire decrease the
> > > tire wear rate?
>
> > By "equalizing" , to a greater degree, tire wear front and rear. IOW,
> > the tires "wear out" at the same time.
>
> I challenge "tire rotation increases tire life."
> A tire wears faster on the rear.
> The pair of tires wear at the same rate.
>
> --
> Michael Press- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
between 9 miles and half tread!
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 21:13:18
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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between 9 miles and half the tread
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 20:40:02
From:
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 12, 4:46 am, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com > wrote:
>
> .... I use tires the same way as underwear. According to Seinfield,
> men wear underwear until it gets so thin that it disappears into thin
> air.
Man, you leave them mounted for a long time. I try to rotate my
underwear every few days whether they need it or not. Or sooner if
they get a racing strip going. But maybe thats just me.
dkl
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 18:37:53
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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between 9 miles and half the tread.
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 07:38:44
From: John Henderson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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datakoll wrote:
> between 9 miles and half the tread.
Falls the shadow.
(Apologies to T. S. Eliot "The Hollow Men").
John
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 22:52:16
From:
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 12, 4:46 am, "andresm...@aol.com" <andresm...@aol.com > wrote:
> ... I use tires the same way as underwear. According to Seinfield,
> men wear underwear until it gets so thin that it disappears into thin
> air.
So -- you mount your underwear and then leave em on until they get a
hole? Dam. I'll either ditch em or wash em once they get a racing
stripe goin.
DL
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 05:20:09
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 12, 12:33 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net > wrote:
> In article
> <1184243888.790145.194...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 3:22 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
> > > On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> > > > be helping with resitance??
> > > > when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> > > > currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> > > > they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> > > > If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> > > > I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> > > > Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> > > > moment.
>
> > > > I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> > > > Thanks
>
> > > That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire, Fronts
> > > usually last longer than rears, because there's less weight on them,
> > > and they're not driving the bike forward.
>
> > > Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
> > > you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
> > > through the tread.
>
> > > Don't rotate front for rear,
>
> > Says who? (Never mind, I know the source of that nonsense.) Thoughtful
> > tire rotation increases tire life.
>
> How does swapping front tire and rear tire decrease the
> tire wear rate?
>
By "equalizing" , to a greater degree, tire wear front and rear. IOW,
the tires "wear out" at the same time.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 07:38:07
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 20, 8:36 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Jul 20, 6:47 am, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:37:00 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>
> >> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I prefer people who can think for themselves, as opposed to guru-
> >>> following sheeple.
> >> Yeah, look what happens to the country when the leader is a bleeting
> >> idiot and the sheeple just follow him along!
>
> > Exactly! To those sheeple, Bush is the Guru-in-chief.
>
> Hey, but their preacher told them that Jesus wants them to vote Republican!
>
>
Jesus? Isn't Carl Rove on the staff there?
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 19:01:31
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:38:07 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>On Jul 20, 8:36 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
><sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>> > On Jul 20, 6:47 am, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:37:00 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>>
>> >> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>> I prefer people who can think for themselves, as opposed to guru-
>> >>> following sheeple.
>> >> Yeah, look what happens to the country when the leader is a bleeting
>> >> idiot and the sheeple just follow him along!
>>
>> > Exactly! To those sheeple, Bush is the Guru-in-chief.
>>
>> Hey, but their preacher told them that Jesus wants them to vote Republican!
>>
>>
>
>Jesus? Isn't Carl Rove on the staff there?
Y'all done with that strawman yet?
Ron
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 20:38:11
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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RonSonic wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:38:07 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
> <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>> Jesus? Isn't Carl Rove on the staff there?
> Y'all done with that strawman yet?
They're grasping at straws (pardon pun) since the Plame lawsuit was thrown
in the garbage where it belongs.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 23:28:50
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:01:31 -0400, RonSonic
<ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
>>
>>Jesus? Isn't Carl Rove on the staff there?
>
>Y'all done with that strawman yet?
>
>Ron
Well, I'm not a partisan, but last I checked, treason such as
revealing the name of a covert agent was a crime punishable by being
hanged from the neck until dead. So, personally, I'll be done with him
when he's hanged.
Texas would be a nice traditional place to hang him, maybe in
Crawford.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 20:42:27
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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still me wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:01:31 -0400, RonSonic
> <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Jesus? Isn't Carl Rove on the staff there?
>>
>> Y'all done with that strawman yet?
>>
>> Ron
>
> Well, I'm not a partisan, but last I checked, treason such as
> revealing the name of a covert agent was a crime punishable by being
> hanged from the neck until dead. So, personally, I'll be done with him
> when he's hanged.
It was RICHARD ARMITAGE, partiso. Has ANYONE demanded he be punished?!?
Bill "blowing tumbleweed goes here" S.
PS: Here's a nice "non-partisan" source for you:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 15:25:38
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:42:27 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>It was RICHARD ARMITAGE, partiso. Has ANYONE demanded he be punished?!?
>
>Bill "blowing tumbleweed goes here" S.
>
>PS: Here's a nice "non-partisan" source for you:
>http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
Sorry, this being Dicky's idea and "casual error" doesn't pass the
smell test. But, lets go with that. OK, so why did Scooter go to the
mat covering up if it was Dicky? (Hint, it's stinking more).
I'll turn the question back to you: Why isn't the special prosecutor
continuing to pursue this case? Why isn't Bush cleaning house?
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 08:52:15
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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still me wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:42:27 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
> wrote:
>
>> It was RICHARD ARMITAGE, partiso. Has ANYONE demanded he be
>> punished?!?
>>
>> Bill "blowing tumbleweed goes here" S.
>>
>> PS: Here's a nice "non-partisan" source for you:
>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
>
>
> Sorry, this being Dicky's idea and "casual error" doesn't pass the
> smell test. But, lets go with that. OK, so why did Scooter go to the
> mat covering up if it was Dicky? (Hint, it's stinking more).
Because he misremembered something he didn't even do. Russert had multiple
memory lapses, but Libby was hanged for a minor one.
> I'll turn the question back to you: Why isn't the special prosecutor
> continuing to pursue this case? Why isn't Bush cleaning house?
Because there was (brace yourself) NO CRIME COMMITTED.
HTH.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 13:10:48
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:52:15 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>still me wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:42:27 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It was RICHARD ARMITAGE, partiso. Has ANYONE demanded he be
>>> punished?!?
>>>
>>> Bill "blowing tumbleweed goes here" S.
>>>
>>> PS: Here's a nice "non-partisan" source for you:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
>>
>>
>> Sorry, this being Dicky's idea and "casual error" doesn't pass the
>> smell test. But, lets go with that. OK, so why did Scooter go to the
>> mat covering up if it was Dicky? (Hint, it's stinking more).
>
>Because he misremembered something he didn't even do. Russert had multiple
>memory lapses, but Libby was hanged for a minor one.
A jury of normal Americans, in a court being run by a Republican
appointed judge and prosecution led by a Republican appointed
prosecutor, disagreed. Even GWB claimed at least publicly that that
Libby is guilty.
>> I'll turn the question back to you: Why isn't the special prosecutor
>> continuing to pursue this case? Why isn't Bush cleaning house?
>
>Because there was (brace yourself) NO CRIME COMMITTED.
That's not been demonstrated. The crime may have been covered up by
Libby and other people's actions. That's why the Libby prosecution is
important - to discourage people from covering up crimes. And that's
why the commutation of of his sentence is bad.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 16:17:54
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 08:52:15 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>> Sorry, this being Dicky's idea and "casual error" doesn't pass the
>> smell test. But, lets go with that. OK, so why did Scooter go to the
>> mat covering up if it was Dicky? (Hint, it's stinking more).
>
>Because he misremembered something he didn't even do. Russert had multiple
>memory lapses, but Libby was hanged for a minor one.
That's very creative, even for a partisan guy like you who will look
for any excuse to pardon his party's shortcomings.
The REPUBLICAN judge who sentenced Scooter thought it was pretty clear
what he'd done after seeing the evidence presented at the trial. Even
took the step of specifically commenting on it in his ruling. But I
guess you know better.
>> I'll turn the question back to you: Why isn't the special prosecutor
>> continuing to pursue this case? Why isn't Bush cleaning house?
>
>Because there was (brace yourself) NO CRIME COMMITTED.
Funny that the special prosecutor, a man well skilled in this area and
with no need to lean politically away from his President, wasn't able
to figure that out even after spending many months investigating.
Again, you evidently know better.
>HTH.
Only to show that you will go to any lengths to defend the
indefensible.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 11:03:45
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> still me wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:42:27 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It was RICHARD ARMITAGE, partiso. Has ANYONE demanded he be
>>> punished?!?
>>>
>>> Bill "blowing tumbleweed goes here" S.
>>>
>>> PS: Here's a nice "non-partisan" source for you:
>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
>>
>> Sorry, this being Dicky's idea and "casual error" doesn't pass the
>> smell test. But, lets go with that. OK, so why did Scooter go to the
>> mat covering up if it was Dicky? (Hint, it's stinking more).
>
> Because he misremembered something he didn't even do. Russert had multiple
> memory lapses, but Libby was hanged for a minor one.
>
>> I'll turn the question back to you: Why isn't the special prosecutor
>> continuing to pursue this case? Why isn't Bush cleaning house?
>
> Because there was (brace yourself) NO CRIME COMMITTED.
Specifically, or in general?
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 13:11:13
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 11:03:45 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Because there was (brace yourself) NO CRIME COMMITTED.
>
>Specifically, or in general?
>
LOL
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 09:14:50
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> still me wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:42:27 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> It was RICHARD ARMITAGE, partiso. Has ANYONE demanded he be
>>>> punished?!?
>>>>
>>>> Bill "blowing tumbleweed goes here" S.
>>>>
>>>> PS: Here's a nice "non-partisan" source for you:
>>>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14533384/site/newsweek/
>>>
>>> Sorry, this being Dicky's idea and "casual error" doesn't pass the
>>> smell test. But, lets go with that. OK, so why did Scooter go to the
>>> mat covering up if it was Dicky? (Hint, it's stinking more).
>>
>> Because he misremembered something he didn't even do. Russert had
>> multiple memory lapses, but Libby was hanged for a minor one.
>>
>>> I'll turn the question back to you: Why isn't the special prosecutor
>>> continuing to pursue this case? Why isn't Bush cleaning house?
>>
>> Because there was (brace yourself) NO CRIME COMMITTED.
>
> Specifically, or in general?
Covered (and covered and covered and covered) ground. Fitzfong knew who the
leaker was on Day One, AND that it wasn't a crime (or else he'd've indicted
Armitage). So he went fishing -- REALLY hoping to catch a big one (AKA Dick
Cheney or Carl Rove); instead he hooked a minnow who forgot who first told
him something years ago. (And indeed the person he thought told him -- Tim
Russert -- contradicted /himself/ numersous times on the stand.)
Even the jurors who convicted Libby said he deserved a pardon the very day
the case ended.
Breaks down on purely partisan lines...as ususal nowadays.
BS (times twelve)
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 13:20:44
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:14:50 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>Fitzfong knew who the
Sorni, please do what I'm gong to suggest. I'm genuinely trying to
help you open and clear your mind.
Take a look at reporting on Fitzergerald's legal work apart from the
Plame leak case, which you feel is too charged up. Look at his work
history and the praise for his work from various sources. Think about
it carefully and try to evaluate it carefully.
I think if you do that, and then look at the vitriole your "news
sources" are pouring on him because of this case, you will find the
two views hard to reconcile. I hope that will lead you to be more
critical of whoever it is you are getting your information of the
world from.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 13:12:50
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 09:14:50 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>Breaks down on purely partisan lines...as ususal nowadays.
The jury were all Democrats? I did not know that.
The judge was appointed by a Republican. The prosecutore was a
Republican.
Has the word "partisan" become so twisted that anyone who does
anything in line with this specific president and vice president is
now partisan.
LOL. Even reality, it seems, has a partisan bias.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 23:31:18
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:12:50 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>
>Has the word "partisan" become so twisted that anyone who does
>anything in line with this specific president and vice president is
>now partisan.
I know for sure you're not a patriot if you don't support this
administration !
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 18:38:13
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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still me wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 13:12:50 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Has the word "partisan" become so twisted that anyone who does
>> anything in line with this specific president and vice president is
>> now partisan.
>
> I know for sure you're not a patriot if you don't support this
> administration !
Twisted, as usual. What's unpatriotic is putting political partisanship
ahead of national security and/or interest.
Some people (many plonked) hate Bush so much that they actively root for the
US to fail. Even worse, others actively work to that end.
And the press plays along...
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 05:36:55
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:38:13 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
> What's unpatriotic is putting political partisanship
>ahead of national security and/or interest.
Wait, what? Then why do you defend Scooter Libby, George Bush, etc?
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 15:39:22
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:36:55 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>> What's unpatriotic is putting political partisanship
>>ahead of national security and/or interest.
>
>Wait, what? Then why do you defend Scooter Libby, George Bush, etc?
You dirty, unpatriotic SOB. How dare you pose that question!
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 22:54:52
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> still me wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:01:31 -0400, RonSonic
>> <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Jesus? Isn't Carl Rove on the staff there?
>>> Y'all done with that strawman yet?
>>>
>>> Ron
>> Well, I'm not a partisan, but last I checked, treason such as
>> revealing the name of a covert agent was a crime punishable by being
>> hanged from the neck until dead. So, personally, I'll be done with him
>> when he's hanged.
>
> It was RICHARD ARMITAGE, partiso. Has ANYONE demanded he be punished?!?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_guy >
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 21:07:48
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> still me wrote:
>>> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 19:01:31 -0400, RonSonic
>>> <ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Jesus? Isn't Carl Rove on the staff there?
>>>> Y'all done with that strawman yet?
>>>>
>>>> Ron
>>> Well, I'm not a partisan, but last I checked, treason such as
>>> revealing the name of a covert agent was a crime punishable by being
>>> hanged from the neck until dead. So, personally, I'll be done with
>>> him when he's hanged.
>>
>> It was RICHARD ARMITAGE, partiso. Has ANYONE demanded he be
>> punished?!?
>
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fall_guy>
You're either dishonest or just sorrily misinformed.
(BTW, the reason Armitage wasn't indicted for "revealing the name of a
covert agent" is that she wasn't covert as defined by the statute. Just ask
its author. You can Wiki /her/ name.)
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 21:07:48 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>(BTW, the reason Armitage wasn't indicted for "revealing the name of a
>covert agent" is that she wasn't covert as defined by the statute. Just ask
>its author. You can Wiki /her/ name.)
In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson who
can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination of the
executive and judicial branches.
She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
have a different opinion.
PS -- can you spell the name of the person you are referrring to? I
know you've heard it on radio but can you spell it? Did you ever read
it?
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43
From: still me
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson who
>can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination of the
>executive and judicial branches.
Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>
>She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>have a different opinion.
The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 18:49:09
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
><usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>>In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson who
>>can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination of the
>>executive and judicial branches.
>
>Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>
>>She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>have a different opinion.
>
>The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's people. From a
rational, business sort of mindset it makes tremendous sense. But this is
politics, not business and covering your ass is more essential than doing what
would otherwise make sense.
Ron
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 18:31:50
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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RonSonic wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>>
>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>
>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>> have a different opinion.
>>
>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>
> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>
> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes tremendous
> sense. But this is politics, not business and covering your ass is
> more essential than doing what would otherwise make sense.
100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his "uniting not
dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the ass.
Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a MAJOR
terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on US soil that
no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 05:38:17
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:31:50 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his "uniting not
>dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the ass.
>
>Read "Sabbotage".
You poor sap. "They"
are out to get us. The mainstream media is in a cabal with the
Democrats. Oh man.
Did you see "Falling Down"? Why do I think you can really are like
the main character in that movie?
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 21:11:25
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> RonSonic wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>>> have a different opinion.
>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>
>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes tremendous
>> sense. But this is politics, not business and covering your ass is
>> more essential than doing what would otherwise make sense.
>
> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his "uniting not
> dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the ass.
>
> Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a MAJOR
> terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on US soil that
> no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 09:22:57
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:11:25 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Bill Sornson wrote:
>> RonSonic wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>>>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>>>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>>>> have a different opinion.
>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>>>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>>>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>
>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes tremendous
>>> sense. But this is politics, not business and covering your ass is
>>> more essential than doing what would otherwise make sense.
>>
>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his "uniting not
>> dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the ass.
>>
>> Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a MAJOR
>> terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on US soil that
>> no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>
>A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
Apparently they understand the situation far better than your propaganda will
permit.
Ron
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 09:28:16
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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RonSonic who? wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 21:11:25 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> RonSonic wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>>>>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>>>>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>>>>> have a different opinion.
>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>>>>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>>>>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>>
>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes tremendous
>>>> sense. But this is politics, not business and covering your ass is
>>>> more essential than doing what would otherwise make sense.
>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his "uniting not
>>> dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the ass.
>>>
>>> Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a MAJOR
>>> terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on US soil that
>>> no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>
> Apparently they understand the situation far better than your propaganda will
> permit.
Which is why the plan for allowing foreign oil companies to steal Iraqi
oil will ultimately fail. If the Iraqi tries to implement it, they will
meet the fate of all quislings.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 19:39:25
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> RonSonic wrote:
>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>>>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>>>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>>>> have a different opinion.
>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>>>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>>>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>
>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
>>> sense.
>>
>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on
>> US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>
> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 21:43:16
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> RonSonic wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>>>>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>>>>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>>>>> have a different opinion.
>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>>>>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>>>>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>>
>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
>>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
>>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
>>>> sense.
>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
>>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
>>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on
>>> US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>
> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 19:56:08
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> RonSonic wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative
>>>>>>> staffperson who can make determinations of illegality but
>>>>>>> rather a combination of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other
>>>>>>> people, have a different opinion.
>>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly
>>>>>> shown when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to
>>>>>> take the hit for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>>>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
>>>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
>>>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
>>>>> sense.
>>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
>>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
>>>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
>>>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small
>>>> ones on US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>>
>> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>
> So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
You know the things Michael Vick is accused of doing to dogs?
(Electrocution, hanging, beating to death, etc.) That's how Saddam Hussein
treated people. (Those he didn't merely dismember.)
Wake the F up.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 05:44:12
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 19:56:08 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>> So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>
>You know the things Michael Vick is accused of doing to dogs?
>(Electrocution, hanging, beating to death, etc.) That's how Saddam Hussein
>treated people. (Those he didn't merely dismember.)
So because some guy is a dictator we can directly kills tens of
thousands of people he oppressed and do things that indirectly result
in the death of several hundred thousand?
You're a disgrace to our country.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 15:38:29
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 05:44:12 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>So because some guy is a dictator we can directly kills tens of
>thousands of people he oppressed and do things that indirectly result
>in the death of several hundred thousand?
>
>You're a disgrace to our country.
I seem to recall a guy named GWB saying repeatedly during his campaign
that we're "not the world's policeman". I think he might have
forgotten.
I know the defenders of nonsense will now claim that Saddaam was a
horrible dictator, but there are plenty of horrible dictators in the
world. The Chinese, for example, who we seem to have no problems doing
business with, do much worse things (see the organ farming thread for
more detail).
Sorry, but it's *not* our job to police the world, it's *not* allowed
in our Constitution, and it's *not* Bush's right to spend $400b of my
money on it.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 22:12:44
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>> RonSonic wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative
>>>>>>>> staffperson who can make determinations of illegality but
>>>>>>>> rather a combination of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other
>>>>>>>> people, have a different opinion.
>>>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly
>>>>>>> shown when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to
>>>>>>> take the hit for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>>>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>>>>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
>>>>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
>>>>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
>>>>>> sense.
>>>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
>>>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
>>>>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
>>>>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small
>>>>> ones on US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>>>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>>>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>>> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>> So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>
> You know the things Michael Vick is accused of doing to dogs?
> (Electrocution, hanging, beating to death, etc.) That's how Saddam Hussein
> treated people. (Those he didn't merely dismember.)
>
> Wake the F up.
Well, people could go to work, school and the market with only a very
small chance of getting killed during Hussein's rule in Iraq. No longer
the case, is it? [rhetorical question]
Hussein had a whole hell of a lot less people deliberately dismembered
than have been dismembered by US ordnance over that last 4 years.
The number of people killed under Hussein was only a small fraction of
the yearly excess deaths caused by the US occupation, if one discounts
the deaths from the Iraq/Iran War, which of course was a proxy war
fought on behalf of the US.
Pull your head away from the radio and spend some time learning what the
(living) hell is really going on in Iraq.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 20:47:04
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>>> RonSonic wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me
>>>>>>> <wheeledBob@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>>>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative
>>>>>>>>> staffperson who can make determinations of illegality but
>>>>>>>>> rather a combination of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other
>>>>>>>>> people, have a different opinion.
>>>>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly
>>>>>>>> shown when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to
>>>>>>>> take the hit for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of
>>>>>>>> WMD.
>>>>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of
>>>>>>> Clinton's people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it
>>>>>>> makes tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and
>>>>>>> covering your ass is more essential than doing what would
>>>>>>> otherwise make sense.
>>>>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
>>>>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in
>>>>>> the ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit
>>>>>> again. (By a MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been
>>>>>> some small ones on US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>>>>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>>>>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take
>>>>> revenge.
>>>> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>>> So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>>
>> You know the things Michael Vick is accused of doing to dogs?
>> (Electrocution, hanging, beating to death, etc.) That's how Saddam
>> Hussein treated people. (Those he didn't merely dismember.)
>>
>> Wake the F up.
>
> Well, people could go to work, school and the market with only a very
> small chance of getting killed during Hussein's rule in Iraq. No
> longer the case, is it? [rhetorical question]
>
> Hussein had a whole hell of a lot less people deliberately dismembered
> than have been dismembered by US ordnance over that last 4 years.
>
> The number of people killed under Hussein was only a small fraction of
> the yearly excess deaths caused by the US occupation, if one discounts
> the deaths from the Iraq/Iran War, which of course was a proxy war
> fought on behalf of the US.
>
> Pull your head away from the radio and spend some time learning what
> the (living) hell is really going on in Iraq.
Bloghead.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 05:48:11
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 20:47:04 -0700, "Bill Sornson" <askme@ask.me >
wrote:
>Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Pull your head away from the radio and spend some time learning what
>> the (living) hell is really going on in Iraq.
>
>Bloghead.
>
The stuff Sherman describes is reported by real newsmedia -- people
who have gone to the region and tried to see and show what is
happening with their own eyes. Stuff that can be seen in photos,
though not in the US. Sure blogs talk about it, but it's based on
real news reporting, which while not perfect is the best source of
informtaion we have (in addition to first-hand reports by neutral
parties in the country).
Bill, what are your sources of news. I think you listen to opinion
radio such as Rush Limbaugh and believe that is news. It's not.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 22:51:22
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Bill Sornson wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>>>> RonSonic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me
>>>>>>>> <wheeledBob@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>>>>>> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative
>>>>>>>>>> staffperson who can make determinations of illegality but
>>>>>>>>>> rather a combination of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>>>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other
>>>>>>>>>> people, have a different opinion.
>>>>>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly
>>>>>>>>> shown when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to
>>>>>>>>> take the hit for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of
>>>>>>>>> WMD.
>>>>>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of
>>>>>>>> Clinton's people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it
>>>>>>>> makes tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and
>>>>>>>> covering your ass is more essential than doing what would
>>>>>>>> otherwise make sense.
>>>>>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
>>>>>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in
>>>>>>> the ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit
>>>>>>> again. (By a MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been
>>>>>>> some small ones on US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>>>>>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>>>>>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take
>>>>>> revenge.
>>>>> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>>>> So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>>> You know the things Michael Vick is accused of doing to dogs?
>>> (Electrocution, hanging, beating to death, etc.) That's how Saddam
>>> Hussein treated people. (Those he didn't merely dismember.)
>>>
>>> Wake the F up.
>> Well, people could go to work, school and the market with only a very
>> small chance of getting killed during Hussein's rule in Iraq. No
>> longer the case, is it? [rhetorical question]
>>
>> Hussein had a whole hell of a lot less people deliberately dismembered
>> than have been dismembered by US ordnance over that last 4 years.
>>
>> The number of people killed under Hussein was only a small fraction of
>> the yearly excess deaths caused by the US occupation, if one discounts
>> the deaths from the Iraq/Iran War, which of course was a proxy war
>> fought on behalf of the US.
>>
>> Pull your head away from the radio and spend some time learning what
>> the (living) hell is really going on in Iraq.
>
> Bloghead.
Oh, slay me with your wit!
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 23:37:02
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 18:49:09 -0400, RonSonic
<ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
>>The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>>when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>>for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>
>George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
What has that got to do with it? He obviously was not responsible for
the lying to the public that the Administration did - yet he took
responsibility. You figure it out.
>One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's people. From a
>rational, business sort of mindset it makes tremendous sense. But this is
>politics, not business and covering your ass is more essential than doing what
>would otherwise make sense.
And that's got nothing to do with it either. Except the part about
covering your ass, which is apparently Bush's top priority rather than
say, oh, the law or the Constitution.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 08:50:01
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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still me wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
> <usenetremove@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>
> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>
>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>> have a different opinion.
>
> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
Read "Sabbotage" and get back to us.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 15:00:34
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:38:07 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>
>Jesus? Isn't Carl Rove on the staff there?
Could be... that whole Judas affair and subsequent character
assassination plot smacks of his tactics.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 05:45:34
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 20, 6:47 am, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:37:00 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>
> >I prefer people who can think for themselves, as opposed to guru-
> >following sheeple.
>
> Yeah, look what happens to the country when the leader is a bleeting
> idiot and the sheeple just follow him along!
Exactly! To those sheeple, Bush is the Guru-in-chief.
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 20:32:23
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 21, 9:56 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me > wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>> Bill Sornson wrote:
> >>>> RonSonic wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
> >>>>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative
> >>>>>>> staffperson who can make determinations of illegality but
> >>>>>>> rather a combination of the executive and judicial branches.
> >>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
> >>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other
> >>>>>>> people, have a different opinion.
> >>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly
> >>>>>> shown when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to
> >>>>>> take the hit for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
> >>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>
> >>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
> >>>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
> >>>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
> >>>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
> >>>>> sense.
> >>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
> >>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
> >>>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
> >>>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small
> >>>> ones on US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
> >>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
> >>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>
> >> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>
> > So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>
> You know the things Michael Vick is accused of doing to dogs?
Yeah, it's like what the CIA does to "enemy combatants". ;-)
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 20:30:31
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 21, 9:43 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Bill Sornson wrote:
> > Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >> Bill Sornson wrote:
> >>> RonSonic wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com>
> >>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
> >>>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
> >>>>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
> >>>>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
> >>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
> >>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
> >>>>>> have a different opinion.
> >>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
> >>>>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
> >>>>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
> >>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>
> >>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
> >>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
> >>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
> >>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
> >>>> sense.
> >>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
> >>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
> >>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
> >>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on
> >>> US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
> >> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
> >> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>
> > You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>
> So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>
Never say "slaughtered", say "liberated".
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 22:53:38
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Jul 21, 9:43 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>> RonSonic wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>>>>>>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>>>>>>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>>>>>>> have a different opinion.
>>>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>>>>>>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>>>>>>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>>>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>>>>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
>>>>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
>>>>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
>>>>>> sense.
>>>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
>>>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
>>>>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
>>>>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on
>>>>> US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>>>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>>>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>>> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>> So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>>
>
> Never say "slaughtered", say "liberated".
The United States judges at Nuremberg would have likely used a different
term; "murdered" for the victims of aggressive warfare and conquest.
--
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 09:28:26
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:53:38 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>> On Jul 21, 9:43 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>>> RonSonic wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>>>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>>>>>>>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>>>>>>>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>>>>>>>> have a different opinion.
>>>>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>>>>>>>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>>>>>>>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>>>>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>>>>>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
>>>>>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
>>>>>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
>>>>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
>>>>>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
>>>>>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on
>>>>>> US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>>>>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>>>>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>>>> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>>> So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>>>
>>
>> Never say "slaughtered", say "liberated".
>
>The United States judges at Nuremberg would have likely used a different
>term; "murdered" for the victims of aggressive warfare and conquest.
See, there's exactly the problem: if "conquest" had been the objective we
could've done that fairly simply. The military procedure for that objective was
worked out thousands of years ago, we've got the men and equipment too, if
that's what we were trying to achieve. For better or worse the objective of
liberating a country from a deranged dictator and building it up to stand up
while surrounded by countries like Iran and Syria is more difficult.
If it was just conquest, hell, that would've been over years ago.
Ron
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 15:32:11
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:28:26 -0400, RonSonic
<ronsonic@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
>See, there's exactly the problem: if "conquest" had been the objective we
>could've done that fairly simply. The military procedure for that objective was
>worked out thousands of years ago, we've got the men and equipment too, if
>that's what we were trying to achieve. For better or worse the objective of
>liberating a country from a deranged dictator and building it up to stand up
>while surrounded by countries like Iran and Syria is more difficult.
>
>If it was just conquest, hell, that would've been over years ago.
You can conquer the infrastructure and the government. You can rarely
conquer a people for very long without a totalitarian regime.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 08:42:01
From: Neil Brooks
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:32:11 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com >
wrote:
>You can conquer the infrastructure and the government. You can rarely
>conquer a people for very long without a totalitarian regime.
Wait a minute.
I thought it was just "a few dead-enders," no?
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 11:25:07
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Neil Brooks wrote:
> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:32:11 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> You can conquer the infrastructure and the government. You can rarely
>> conquer a people for very long without a totalitarian regime.
>
> Wait a minute.
>
> I thought it was just "a few dead-enders," no?
Yep, those dead-enders have been going strong for more than four years
after "Mission Accomplished - Major Combat Operations [1] Have Ended",
and the show trial and execution of Saddam Hussein has not slowed them
one bit.
The fox chased the rabbit vigorously, but the rabbit still escaped. When
the fox was asked what happened, he said, "I was running for my supper.
The rabbit was running for his life."
Who is fighting for oil, and who is fighting for freedom from foreign rule?
[1] So is the "surge" of 20,000+ troops a minor operation?
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 09:46:26
From: Neil Brooks
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 11:25:07 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>Neil Brooks wrote:
>> On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 15:32:11 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> You can conquer the infrastructure and the government. You can rarely
>>> conquer a people for very long without a totalitarian regime.
>>
>> Wait a minute.
>>
>> I thought it was just "a few dead-enders," no?
>
>Yep, those dead-enders have been going strong for more than four years
>after "Mission Accomplished - Major Combat Operations [1] Have Ended",
>and the show trial and execution of Saddam Hussein has not slowed them
>one bit.
But the Administration's own National Intelligence Estimate said that
our presence in Iraq is creating still MORE "dead-enders." Wouldn't
that sort of make the term "dead-ender" a bad joke?
>The fox chased the rabbit vigorously, but the rabbit still escaped. When
>the fox was asked what happened, he said, "I was running for my supper.
>The rabbit was running for his life."
You sound like the sort of guy who--when asked what HE might do if
foreigners tried to invade HIS neighborhood--might be willing to fight
back.
If so, then would that make you an insurgent, do you suppose?
>Who is fighting for oil, and who is fighting for freedom from foreign rule?
>
>[1] So is the "surge" of 20,000+ troops a minor operation?
a) I think it was 30,000*
b) I think there might be more coming. Wait until September --
WHOOPS!! -- they've changed that. Wait until November**.
* but the clock doesn't really start ticking until the last 600 troops
(or 2%) show up.
** dates subject to change. Is this what's meant by "move the
goalpost and declare victory?" I'm confused.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 09:25:12
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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RonSonic who? wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 22:53:38 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
> <sunsetss0003@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> On Jul 21, 9:43 pm, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
>>> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>>>>>> Bill Sornson wrote:
>>>>>>> RonSonic wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
>>>>>>>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative staffperson
>>>>>>>>>> who can make determinations of illegality but rather a combination
>>>>>>>>>> of the executive and judicial branches.
>>>>>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
>>>>>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other people,
>>>>>>>>>> have a different opinion.
>>>>>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly shown
>>>>>>>>> when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to take the hit
>>>>>>>>> for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
>>>>>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>>>>>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
>>>>>>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
>>>>>>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
>>>>>>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
>>>>>>>> sense.
>>>>>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
>>>>>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
>>>>>>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
>>>>>>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small ones on
>>>>>>> US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
>>>>>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
>>>>>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>>>>> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>>>> So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>>>>
>>> Never say "slaughtered", say "liberated".
>> The United States judges at Nuremberg would have likely used a different
>> term; "murdered" for the victims of aggressive warfare and conquest.
>
> See, there's exactly the problem: if "conquest" had been the objective we
> could've done that fairly simply. The military procedure for that objective was
> worked out thousands of years ago, we've got the men and equipment too, if
> that's what we were trying to achieve. For better or worse the objective of
> liberating a country from a deranged dictator and building it up to stand up
> while surrounded by countries like Iran and Syria is more difficult.
>
> If it was just conquest, hell, that would've been over years ago.
This is the 21st Century, "RonSonic", and genocide of the Arab
population of Iraq would have very unpleasant future consequences for
the US.
--
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The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 15:31:07
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 09:25:12 -0500, "Tom \"Johnny Sunset\" Sherman"
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>> If it was just conquest, hell, that would've been over years ago.
>
>This is the 21st Century, "RonSonic", and genocide of the Arab
>population of Iraq would have very unpleasant future consequences for
>the US.
And the damage GWB has already done to diplomacy in multiple regions
of the world will take most of the 21st century to correct.
What an idiot GWB is, after Afghanistan, we had a world united against
terrorism, a chance to have a united front to quell that monster.
George, for reasons all to obvious, thought his and his mentor's
personal desires much more important.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 08:07:34
From: Bill Sornson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
{SNIP!}
> This is the 21st Century, "RonSonic", and genocide of the Arab
> population of Iraq would have very unpleasant future consequences for
> the US.
Yet blogheads like you claim that's exactly what's been going on. It's a
damned lie, and you just showed you know it.
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 11:18:44
From: Tom \Johnny Sunset\ Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Bill "BS" Sornson wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> {SNIP!}
>
>> This is the 21st Century, "RonSonic", and genocide of the Arab
>> population of Iraq would have very unpleasant future consequences for
>> the US.
>
> Yet blogheads like you claim that's exactly what's been going on. It's a
> damned lie, and you just showed you know it.
Point one: I am not a blogger.
Point two: The only blogs on the subject I have read have been those
from people actually in Iraq.
Point three: I never claimed a systematic genocide was occurring in Iraq
[1], and claiming otherwise is the type of tactic dear so and so might
resort to.
People like Bill Sornson are so tied up in the idea of “American
Exceptionalism” that they can not imagine the US ever being in the
wrong. Many seem to also have difficulty in accepting the politicians of
BOTH major parties lie, not just one.
[1] What I did imply is that genocide is what it would take to
accomplish the real goals of the invasion.
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The weather is here, wish you were beautiful
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Date: 21 Jul 2007 20:05:46
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 21, 9:56 pm, "Bill Sornson" <as...@ask.me > wrote:
> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Bill Sornson wrote:
> >> Tom "Johnny Sunset" Sherman wrote:
> >>> Bill Sornson wrote:
> >>>> RonSonic wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 15:28:43 GMT, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com>
> >>>>> wrote:
>
> >>>>>> On Sat, 21 Jul 2007 04:34:30 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
> >>>>>> <usenetrem...@jt10000.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> In our country it is not a single partisan legislative
> >>>>>>> staffperson who can make determinations of illegality but
> >>>>>>> rather a combination of the executive and judicial branches.
> >>>>>> Or perhaps the fourth branch. You know, the one Cheney is in.
> >>>>>>> She has an opinion. The head of the CIA, among many other
> >>>>>>> people, have a different opinion.
> >>>>>> The head of the CIA is a partisan appointee - a fact clearly
> >>>>>> shown when George T fell on his sword in an early attempt to
> >>>>>> take the hit for the Adminstration's lies on the subject of WMD.
> >>>>> George Tenet was originally a Clinton appointee, dumbass.
>
> >>>>> One of Bush's biggest mistakes was to retain so many of Clinton's
> >>>>> people. From a rational, business sort of mindset it makes
> >>>>> tremendous sense. But this is politics, not business and covering
> >>>>> your ass is more essential than doing what would otherwise make
> >>>>> sense.
> >>>> 100% correct. Bush also left many Dems in place as part of his
> >>>> "uniting not dividing" policy, and it bit him multiple times in the
> >>>> ass. Read "Sabbotage". It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. (By a
> >>>> MAJOR terrorist attack, that is. There have been some small
> >>>> ones on US soil that no one talks about, due to PC-ness.)
> >>> A miracle if some of the millions of Iraqis that have lost family
> >>> members due to a neo-colonial conquest ever decide to take revenge.
>
> >> You have a very fertile imagination. (AKA a lie generator.)
>
> > So the Iraqis should give thanks for being slaughtered?
>
> You know the things Michael Vick is accused of doing to dogs?
> (Electrocution, hanging, beating to death, etc.) That's how Saddam Hussein
> treated people. (Those he didn't merely dismember.)
Ah, the ol' "however bad we are, the other guy was much worse"
defense!
Typical right wing talk radio scat.
>
> Wake the F up.
>
Physician, heal thyself!
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 08:36:38
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Jul 20, 6:47 am, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:37:00 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>>
>> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I prefer people who can think for themselves, as opposed to guru-
>>> following sheeple.
>> Yeah, look what happens to the country when the leader is a bleeting
>> idiot and the sheeple just follow him along!
>
> Exactly! To those sheeple, Bush is the Guru-in-chief.
Hey, but their preacher told them that Jesus wants them to vote Republican!
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 23:44:13
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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In article
<1184674809.444098.150460@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com >
,
Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 12:33 pm, Michael Press <rub...@pacbell.net> wrote:
> > In article
> > <1184243888.790145.194...@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> > Ozark Bicycle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > > On Jul 12, 3:22 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
> > > > On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > > My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> > > > > be helping with resitance??
> > > > > when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> > > > > currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> > > > > they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
> >
> > > > > If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> > > > > I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> > > > > Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> > > > > moment.
> >
> > > > > I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
> >
> > > > > Thanks
> >
> > > > That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire, Fronts
> > > > usually last longer than rears, because there's less weight on them,
> > > > and they're not driving the bike forward.
> >
> > > > Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
> > > > you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
> > > > through the tread.
> >
> > > > Don't rotate front for rear,
> >
> > > Says who? (Never mind, I know the source of that nonsense.) Thoughtful
> > > tire rotation increases tire life.
> >
> > How does swapping front tire and rear tire decrease the
> > tire wear rate?
>
> By "equalizing" , to a greater degree, tire wear front and rear. IOW,
> the tires "wear out" at the same time.
I challenge "tire rotation increases tire life."
A tire wears faster on the rear.
The pair of tires wear at the same rate.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 08:38:03
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Just looking at the question in the subject line there is usually much less than
one kilometer between tires (or tyres). Typically something like 1/1000 of a km.
Ron
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 19:20:35
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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RonSonic? wrote:
> Just looking at the question in the subject line there is usually much less than
> one kilometer between tires (or tyres). Typically something like 1/1000 of a km.
On my trike, should I worry about the lateral distance between my front
tires/tyres or the diagonal distance from a front tire/tyre to the rear
tire/tyre?
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 02:27:34
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:44:13 GMT, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net >
wrote:
>> By "equalizing" , to a greater degree, tire wear front and rear. IOW,
>> the tires "wear out" at the same time.
>
>I challenge "tire rotation increases tire life."
>A tire wears faster on the rear.
>The pair of tires wear at the same rate.
Yes, but the point is that they both wear out at the same
chronological time, give or take, if you rotate them. So, you replace
the pair rather than having a mismatched pair. Probably not as much of
a concern on a bicycle compared to a car, but still a nice goal.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 03:37:34
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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In article
<kiuq939g759s9n5plh88diciahtm6nl80i@4ax.com >,
still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 23:44:13 GMT, Michael Press <rubrum@pacbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >> By "equalizing" , to a greater degree, tire wear front and rear. IOW,
> >> the tires "wear out" at the same time.
> >
> >I challenge "tire rotation increases tire life."
> >A tire wears faster on the rear.
> >The pair of tires wear at the same rate.
>
> Yes, but the point is that they both wear out at the same
> chronological time, give or take, if you rotate them. So, you replace
> the pair rather than having a mismatched pair. Probably not as much of
> a concern on a bicycle compared to a car, but still a nice goal.
On automobiles the fronts wear out faster. Replace a
worn pair with new tires on the front. It is much the
same.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 04:24:08
From:
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Michael Press writes:
>>>> By "equalizing" , to a greater degree, tire wear front and
>>>> rear. IOW, the tires "wear out" at the same time.
>>> I challenge "tire rotation increases tire life." A tire wears
>>> faster on the rear. The pair of tires wear at the same rate.
>> Yes, but the point is that they both wear out at the same
>> chronological time, give or take, if you rotate them. So, you
>> replace the pair rather than having a mismatched pair. Probably not
>> as much of a concern on a bicycle compared to a car, but still a
>> nice goal.
> On automobiles the fronts wear out faster. Replace a worn pair with
> new tires on the front. It is much the same.
I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
Most flats, that aren't from thorns, occur on rear tires and unless
it's a blowout, stopping with a rear flat is reasonably safe while a
front flat can more easily cause a crash. I've had that experience
often enough.
Flats are often caused by sharp objects, tilted up by the front tire
(especially nails), that enter the rear tire. I'm for rotating tires
but not to make them wear out together but rather when the rear tire
wears out.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 17:52:01
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 20, 6:01 pm, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 07:38:07 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> >On Jul 20, 8:36 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> ><sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >> > On Jul 20, 6:47 am, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:37:00 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
>
> >> >> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
>
> >> >>> I prefer people who can think for themselves, as opposed to guru-
> >> >>> following sheeple.
> >> >> Yeah, look what happens to the country when the leader is a bleeting
> >> >> idiot and the sheeple just follow him along!
>
> >> > Exactly! To those sheeple, Bush is the Guru-in-chief.
>
> >> Hey, but their preacher told them that Jesus wants them to vote Republican!
>
> >Jesus? Isn't Carl Rove on the staff there?
>
> Y'all done with that strawman yet?
>
Can't do better than that tired ol' thing?
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 09:31:45
From: Doug Taylor
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On 18 Jul 2007 04:24:08 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
>front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
>wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
>rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
>it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldon
http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
agree on this issue, it is settled AFAIC.
When your rear tire is worn to the point of excessive flatting, it
goes to the recycle bin; the existing front tire moves to the rear; a
new tire goes to the front. You buy new tires one at a time
http://www.biketiresdirect.com/ instead of in pairs: simple, safe,
no-brainer.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 10:15:54
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:31:45 -0400, Doug Taylor
<dtaylor@dreamscape.com > wrote:
>On 18 Jul 2007 04:24:08 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
>>I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
>>front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
>>wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
>>rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
>>it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
>
>Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldon
>http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
>agree on this issue, it is settled AFAIC.
>
>When your rear tire is worn to the point of excessive flatting, it
>goes to the recycle bin; the existing front tire moves to the rear; a
>new tire goes to the front. You buy new tires one at a time
>http://www.biketiresdirect.com/ instead of in pairs: simple, safe,
>no-brainer.
Seems to me that when either tire is worn enough to be more likely to
flat it should be replaced. Use the brain tot think about it. The
rotation thing is a waste of time.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 20:25:32
From:
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John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>>> I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time
>>> because front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I
>>> prefer to wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front
>>> tire to the rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety
>>> reason as I see it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the
>>> cords on the front.
>> Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldon
http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
>> agree on this issue, it is settled AFAIC.
>> When your rear tire is worn to the point of excessive flatting, it
>> goes to the recycle bin; the existing front tire moves to the rear;
>> a new tire goes to the front. You buy new tires one at a time
http://www.biketiresdirect.com/
>> instead of in pairs: simple, safe, no-brainer.
> Seems to me that when either tire is worn enough to be more likely
> to flat it should be replaced. Use the brain tot think about it.
> The rotation thing is a waste of time.
As I said, I have seen no correlation between tire wear and incidence
of flats. Bicycle tires are thin enough that sharp objects that cause
flats go equally well into thin tread rubber as fat tread rubber, the
difference being in the order of a millimeter.
If you ride much, rear tires wear out fast enough that the casings
don't fall apart from rot. I don't see any purpose in throwing out a
front tire just because the rear one wore out. If I leave the tire on
the front, it will last long enough to approach casing failure, or at
least appear to do so in the passage of several rear tires.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 18:22:15
From: Barry
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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> If you ride much, rear tires wear out fast enough that the casings
> don't fall apart from rot.
Out of curiosity - what kind of tires do you use, and about how many miles do
you get?
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 02:54:56
From:
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Barry who? writes:
>> If you ride much, rear tires wear out fast enough that the casings
>> don't fall apart from rot.
> Out of curiosity - what kind of tires do you use, and about how many
> miles do you get?
I use Avocet and Continental 2000 PRO 700x25. They last about 5000mi
or more depending on terrain covered.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 16:35:20
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On 18 Jul 2007 20:25:32 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>As I said, I have seen no correlation between
> tire wear and incidence
>of flats.
I have.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 20:39:34
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John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>> As I said, I have seen no correlation between tire wear and
>> incidence of flats.
> I have.
Lets not fall into the Johnny Walker retorts without explanation. To
what do you attribute the increase in flats and what sort are they?
The distance between road and inside the inner tube is about 3mm at
best and about 2mm when worn thin. Flats other than thorns, which I
haven't had in a couple of years, are from sharp objects that can make
the distance in new and worn tires.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 17:23:33
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On 18 Jul 2007 20:39:34 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>John Forrest Tomlinson writes:
>
>>> As I said, I have seen no correlation between tire wear and
>>> incidence of flats.
>
>> I have.
>
>Lets not fall into the Johnny Walker retorts without explanation.
Observations that do not agree with yours are not allowed?
> To
>what do you attribute the increase in flats and what sort are they?
I'm reporting an observation.
>
>The distance between road and inside the inner tube is about 3mm at
>best and about 2mm when worn thin. Flats other than thorns, which I
>haven't had in a couple of years, are from sharp objects that can make
>the distance in new and worn tires.
As I said, I was reporting an observation, not a theory. If you ask
me to theorize, perhaps it's that very small bits of glass can't make
it all the way through a thicker bit of rubber.
But I don't have a theoretical back-up -- I'm reporting an
observation. If you want to denounce it by theory, go ahead.
I suspect you have a theory, perhaps quite plausible, and somehow that
is influencing what you think you observe.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 17:06:12
From: Doug Taylor
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On 18 Jul 2007 20:39:34 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>>> As I said, I have seen no correlation between tire wear and
>>> incidence of flats.
>
>> I have.
>
>Lets not fall into the Johnny Walker retorts without explanation. To
>what do you attribute the increase in flats and what sort are they?
>
>The distance between road and inside the inner tube is about 3mm at
>best and about 2mm when worn thin. Flats other than thorns, which I
>haven't had in a couple of years, are from sharp objects that can make
>the distance in new and worn tires.
I see your point about worn, per se.
As I said above, the last tire I replaced had more than a few small
cuts in the tread from road debris. I had 4 flats with this tire -
none from pinches.
The first from a piece of glass that penetrated the tire and the tube.
The second shortly thereafter because I failed to find said piece of
glass after the first change from feeling around the inside of the
tire for the sharp object and finding none, but not visually examining
the outside of the tire to find the glass imbedded therein. Doh! That
left a cut in the tread; there were a few more tiny ones I could see
by looking closely as I examined the circumference.
Many miles were ridden thereafter with no flats. Then two in fairly
short succession, but again without finding any objects imbedded in
the tire. My conclusion was the small cuts were the were somehow the
cause. Maybe friction? Then again, maybe an object penetrated and
just did not become imbedded. Anyhow, I bought a new tire.
Your take?
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 17:57:27
From: Theodore Heise
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:06:12 -0400,
Doug Taylor <dtaylor@dreamscape.com > wrote:
> On 18 Jul 2007 20:39:34 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
>>>> As I said, I have seen no correlation between tire wear and
>>>> incidence of flats.
>>
>>> I have.
>>
>> ...To what do you attribute the increase in flats and what sort
>> are they?
>>
>>The distance between road and inside the inner tube is about 3mm
>>at best and about 2mm when worn thin. Flats other than thorns,
>>which I haven't had in a couple of years, are from sharp objects
>>that can make the distance in new and worn tires.
>
> I see your point about worn, per se.
>
> As I said above, the last tire I replaced had more than a few
> small cuts in the tread from road debris. I had 4 flats with
> this tire - none from pinches.
> ...[the last] two in fairly short succession, but again
> without finding any objects imbedded in the tire. My conclusion
> was the small cuts were the were somehow the cause. Maybe
> friction? Then again, maybe an object penetrated and just did
> not become imbedded. Anyhow, I bought a new tire.
I have observed a higher frequency of flats with higher mileage
tires, but it doesn't seem to be related to tread wear. It seems
to be related to the appearance of small cuts in the tread,
probably similar to what you mentioned.
The cuts have a tendency to pick up tiny pieces of gravel (or
other debris) that must provide a wear point on the tube. The
flat tube leak is in the same area as the cut, but the tube looks
abraded around the leak. Often I can also find the small
offending piece still in the cut.
If I can keep a tire from getting any cuts, the frequency of flats
seems to stay pretty constant throughout the tire's life. Should
I be putting a little tire patch cement in the cuts to keep the
debris out of them?
--
Theodore (Ted) Heise <theo@heise.nu > Bloomington, IN, USA
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Date: 22 Jul 2007 18:33:49
From: John Forrest Tomlinson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Sun, 22 Jul 2007 17:57:27 -0400, Theodore Heise <theo@heise.nu >
wrote:
>I have observed a higher frequency of flats with higher mileage
>tires, but it doesn't seem to be related to tread wear. It seems
>to be related to the appearance of small cuts in the tread,
>probably similar to what you mentioned.
>
>The cuts have a tendency to pick up tiny pieces of gravel (or
>other debris) that must provide a wear point on the tube. The
>flat tube leak is in the same area as the cut, but the tube looks
>abraded around the leak. Often I can also find the small
>offending piece still in the cut.
>
>If I can keep a tire from getting any cuts, the frequency of flats
>seems to stay pretty constant throughout the tire's life. Should
>I be putting a little tire patch cement in the cuts to keep the
>debris out of them?
I don't know, but do think that inspecting tires for small bits of
glass is a good idea.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 14:53:09
From: Doug Taylor
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 10:15:54 -0400, John Forrest Tomlinson
<usenetremove@jt10000.com > wrote:
>Seems to me that when either tire is worn enough to be more likely to
>flat it should be replaced. Use the brain tot think about it.
My brain tells me to change any tire which is worn. It also tells me
after umpteen years of experience and many, many thousands of miles -
and as has been pointed out in this thread more than once - that if
you don't succumb to the error of exchanging front and rear tires to
"equalize" the wear, the rear tire ALWAYS wears faster than the
front. Consequently, the advice from Jobst and Sheldon: recycle the
rear, move front to rear, put a new tire on the front.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 13:41:18
From:
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Doug Taylor writes:
>> I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time
>> because front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I
>> prefer to wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front
>> tire to the rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety
>> reason as I see it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the
>> cords on the front.
> Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldon
> http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html agree on this issue, it
> is settled AFAIC.
> When your rear tire is worn to the point of excessive flatting, it
> goes to the recycle bin; the existing front tire moves to the rear; a
> new tire goes to the front. You buy new tires one at a time
http://www.biketiresdirect.com/
> instead of in pairs: simple, safe, no-brainer.
As I have often mentioned, the incidence of flats with tire wear on my
road bicycle does not change. I ride them until the cords show on the
rear and switch tires with new tire in front.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 09:57:04
From: Doug Taylor
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On 18 Jul 2007 13:41:18 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>As I have often mentioned, the incidence of flats with tire wear on my
>road bicycle does not change. I ride them until the cords show on the
>rear and switch tires with new tire in front.
My last tire switch this summer was instigated by getting two rear
flats in two weeks, not from pinches or from any discernable
glass/thorn/object. Also before any cords were showing - under 2000
miles. The rear had developed various cuts in the tread from road
debris; whether those were the proximate cause or not, I opted for the
new to front, front to back, back to recycle rotation.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 15:34:13
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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In article
<nj6s931flq5fvbpkromld87qev1jlsa0jg@4ax.com >,
Doug Taylor <dtaylor@dreamscape.com > wrote:
> On 18 Jul 2007 13:41:18 GMT, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
> >As I have often mentioned, the incidence of flats with tire wear on my
> >road bicycle does not change. I ride them until the cords show on the
> >rear and switch tires with new tire in front.
>
> My last tire switch this summer was instigated by getting two rear
> flats in two weeks, not from pinches or from any discernable
> glass/thorn/object. Also before any cords were showing - under 2000
> miles. The rear had developed various cuts in the tread from road
> debris; whether those were the proximate cause or not, I opted for the
> new to front, front to back, back to recycle rotation.
Yes, when a rear tire gets thin it is more susceptible
to tube punctures. When I repair any puncture I examine
the whole tire minutely. Last time I found four
separate pieces of imbedded glass in addition to the
actual puncturing object.
--
Michael Press
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 00:04:49
From: RS
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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In article <469d95e8$0$14101$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net >,
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org says...
>
>
>Michael Press writes:
>
>>>>> By "equalizing" , to a greater degree, tire wear front and
>>>>> rear. IOW, the tires "wear out" at the same time.
>
>>>> I challenge "tire rotation increases tire life." A tire wears
>>>> faster on the rear. The pair of tires wear at the same rate.
>
>>> Yes, but the point is that they both wear out at the same
>>> chronological time, give or take, if you rotate them. So, you
>>> replace the pair rather than having a mismatched pair. Probably
not
>>> as much of a concern on a bicycle compared to a car, but still a
>>> nice goal.
>
>> On automobiles the fronts wear out faster. Replace a worn pair
with
>> new tires on the front. It is much the same.
>
>I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
>front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
>wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
>rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
>it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
>
>Most flats, that aren't from thorns, occur on rear tires and unless
>it's a blowout, stopping with a rear flat is reasonably safe while a
>front flat can more easily cause a crash. I've had that experience
>often enough.
>
>Flats are often caused by sharp objects, tilted up by the front tire
>(especially nails), that enter the rear tire. I'm for rotating tires
>but not to make them wear out together but rather when the rear
tire
>wears out.
>
>Jobst Brandt
Keeping the best possible rubber on the front makes a lot of
sense regardless of rotating or putting a new tire on the rear.
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Date: 18 Jul 2007 11:48:05
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 00:04:49 -0700, RS <r_schiller@comcast.net > wrote:
>>Flats are often caused by sharp objects, tilted up by the front tire
>>(especially nails), that enter the rear tire. I'm for rotating tires
>>but not to make them wear out together but rather when the rear
>tire
>>wears out.
>>
>>Jobst Brandt
>Keeping the best possible rubber on the front makes a lot of
>sense regardless of rotating or putting a new tire on the rear.
I've never gotten a flat - except when my tires were so worn out that
replacement was, or should have been, around the corner :-)
I like auto tires to wear evenly for two reasons.
First, tires are the bond between you and the road. Having your rear
tires more worn increases oversteer and disturbs the balance of the
handling, regardless of what the manufacturer or owner has designed
in. For most drivers, oversteer is very uncomfortable and more
difficult to correct. 99% of production cars are design for understeer
where the front breaks loose first. In addition, low traction
conditions (rain and snow) snow conditions, having one end or the
other appreciably worn more is bad.
Second, I often find that when my tires do wear out, that the
manufacturer is no longer making that specific tire. Unless you buy
something just out of the factory design room, it's often off the
production line in three of four years. Then you have a tire mismatch
in terms of characteristics - another potentially serious traction and
handling issue as the tires react differently and change the balance
of the car.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 18:42:31
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 05:20:09 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>>
>> How does swapping front tire and rear tire decrease the
>> tire wear rate?
>>
>
>By "equalizing" , to a greater degree, tire wear front and rear. IOW,
>the tires "wear out" at the same time.
Yes, same strategy with rotating tires on your car. It doesn't get you
more miles, it just gets all four tires to wear out at the same time.
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Date: 14 Jul 2007 07:54:44
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 13, 6:19 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <pe...@vecchios.com >
wrote:
> On Jul 12, 6:38 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 12, 3:22 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> > > > be helping with resitance??
> > > > when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> > > > currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> > > > they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> > > > If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> > > > I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> > > > Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> > > > moment.
>
> > > > I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> > > > Thanks
>
> > > That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire, Fronts
> > > usually last longer than rears, because there's less weight on them,
> > > and they're not driving the bike forward.
>
> > > Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
> > > you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
> > > through the tread.
>
> > > Don't rotate front for rear,
>
> > Says who? (Never mind, I know the source of that nonsense.) Thoughtful
> > tire rotation increases tire life.
>
> > >because front flats are more dangerous
>
> I agree, always put the new, best tire on the front...
That can take to much effort. I tend to put the new tire where the
outgoing tire is :-)
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 12:19:42
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 12, 6:38 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 3:22 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> > > be helping with resitance??
> > > when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> > > currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> > > they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> > > If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> > > I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> > > Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> > > moment.
>
> > > I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire, Fronts
> > usually last longer than rears, because there's less weight on them,
> > and they're not driving the bike forward.
>
> > Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
> > you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
> > through the tread.
>
> > Don't rotate front for rear,
>
> Says who? (Never mind, I know the source of that nonsense.) Thoughtful
> tire rotation increases tire life.
>
> >because front flats are more dangerous
I agree, always put the new, best tire on the front...
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 05:41:16
From: Kerry Montgomery
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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In the case of my Redline, about 0.00033. Sorry, couldn't resist.
More seriously, I agree with the folks who say "after flats happen too
often"
Kerry
<vyaw2003@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:1184221078.632841.152070@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> be helping with resitance??
> when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> moment.
>
> I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> Thanks
>
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 12:06:13
From: Andy Froncioni
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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The answer to the question, "How often should I replace my tires?", is
related to
your degree of risk-aversion. If you cycle flat bike-paths very
slowly and a flat won't kill you,
then use Sheldon's method.
But if you often expose yourself to 70+ km/hr downhills, you might
want to be proactive
in mitigating the chances of a flat.
As usual, each person will have a different algorithm for determining
when to replace
tires.
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 08:00:43
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:06:13 -0700, Andy Froncioni wrote:
> But if you often expose yourself to 70+ km/hr downhills, you might
> want to be proactive
> in mitigating the chances of a flat.
The sort of flat you'll get on a fast descent is almost certainly the pinch
sort on hitting a rock. No amount of rubber or tyre pressure will prevent
that.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 15:59:33
From: Dane Buson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Michael Warner <mvw@westnet.com.au > wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:06:13 -0700, Andy Froncioni wrote:
>
>> But if you often expose yourself to 70+ km/hr downhills, you might
>> want to be proactive
>> in mitigating the chances of a flat.
>
> The sort of flat you'll get on a fast descent is almost certainly the pinch
> sort on hitting a rock. No amount of rubber or tyre pressure will prevent
> that.
Oh, I don't know about that. I hit a pothole last year hard enough to
flatspot my rear rim rather nicely. I hit it squarely at 45 mph with
both front and rear wheels and neither pinch flatted. This was running
Schwalbe Marathon Pluses 700cx28 with 100 psi front, 110 psi rear.
Come to think of it, I don't think I've gotten any pinch flats since I
switched to these tires.
--
Dane Buson - sigdane@unixbigots.org
How much does it cost to entice a dope-smoking UNIX system guru to Dayton?
-- Brian Boyle, UNIX/WORLD's First Annual Salary Survey
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 15:10:42
From: landotter
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 12, 7:38 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 3:22 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> > > be helping with resitance??
> > > when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> > > currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> > > they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> > > If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> > > I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> > > Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> > > moment.
>
> > > I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> > > Thanks
>
> > That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire, Fronts
> > usually last longer than rears, because there's less weight on them,
> > and they're not driving the bike forward.
>
> > Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
> > you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
> > through the tread.
>
> > Don't rotate front for rear,
>
> Says who? (Never mind, I know the source of that nonsense.)
Nonsense indeed. Who says you have to be a neocon to be a swell
propagandist, when hysteria is spread just as well by folks in spd
sandals?
>Thoughtful
> tire rotation increases tire life.
>
> >because front flats are more dangerous
And in that 13th lifetime, when you're flying down Alpe de Hooge, and
roll over a shard of glass, deflating your front tire--if you've got
that lean angle all Jobstian---you might, just might, unseat the tire,
have it wrap around the fork like an overdone cinnamon bun and be
thrown into the air, where you get a second or two to arrange yourself
so that you're face first, jaw open, as you hit the pavement and die.
Some people might see such a situation as an ugly reason to run a
kevlar 38mm tire up front, but I see it as a a reason to reject
Buddhism.
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 05:38:08
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 12, 3:22 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net > wrote:
> On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> > be helping with resitance??
> > when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> > currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> > they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> > If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> > I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> > Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> > moment.
>
> > I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> > Thanks
>
> That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire, Fronts
> usually last longer than rears, because there's less weight on them,
> and they're not driving the bike forward.
>
> Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
> you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
> through the tread.
>
> Don't rotate front for rear,
Says who? (Never mind, I know the source of that nonsense.) Thoughtful
tire rotation increases tire life.
>because front flats are more dangerous
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Date: 13 Jul 2007 07:54:41
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 05:38:08 -0700, Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> Says who? (Never mind, I know the source of that nonsense.) Thoughtful
> tire rotation increases tire life.
No, it doesn't, it just increases the time that a given pair of tyres can
last if your aim is to wear them out and replace them simultaneously.
Since changing a bike tyre is easy, costs nothing and doesn't require
you to take your bike to a mechanic, there's no reason to bother.
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 17:33:24
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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In article
<1184243888.790145.194280@n2g2000hse.googlegroups.com >,
Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Jul 12, 3:22 am, Hank Wirtz <h...@wirtznet.net> wrote:
> > On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> > > be helping with resitance??
> > > when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> > > currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> > > they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
> >
> > > If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> > > I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> > > Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> > > moment.
> >
> > > I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
> >
> > > Thanks
> >
> > That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire, Fronts
> > usually last longer than rears, because there's less weight on them,
> > and they're not driving the bike forward.
> >
> > Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
> > you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
> > through the tread.
> >
> > Don't rotate front for rear,
>
> Says who? (Never mind, I know the source of that nonsense.) Thoughtful
> tire rotation increases tire life.
How does swapping front tire and rear tire decrease the
tire wear rate?
--
Michael Press
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 12:06:02
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 12, 12:17 am, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
> My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> be helping with resitance??
They are getting thinner there and you raise your risk of a punture.
RR has nuthin to do with it.
> when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
Think about a car tyre..think that same about a bike tire..shange them
now to prevent a flat sooner rather than later and like cogsets and
chains, the least expensive tire(size, etc) will work just fine.
>
> If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
See above. Differences in tires are small. Price differences are
large. Conti Ultra Sport are nice tires. Being 'fast' is up to you and
your legs, not the tires. The tires, like the bike, is there 'to get
you there'.
> Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> moment.
>
> I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> Thanks
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 04:46:23
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 12, 12:17 am, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
> My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> be helping with resitance??
> when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> moment.
>
> I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> Thanks
Keep riding them until you start to get too many flats. If you are not
flatting yet, keep using them. Check to make sure that the casing is
intact by turning them inside out. If the casing has punctures, holes,
etc. I use tires the same way as underwear. According to Seinfield,
men wear underwear until it gets so thin that it disappears into thin
air.
Andres
Andres
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 20:28:58
From: Jasper Janssen
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Thu, 12 Jul 2007 04:46:23 -0700, "andresmuro@aol.com"
<andresmuro@aol.com > wrote:
>etc. I use tires the same way as underwear. According to Seinfield,
>men wear underwear until it gets so thin that it disappears into thin
>air.
Actually, until the seams give out.
Jasper
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Date: 16 Jul 2007 22:09:30
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:28:58 GMT, Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org >
wrote:
>
>>etc. I use tires the same way as underwear. According to Seinfield,
>>men wear underwear until it gets so thin that it disappears into thin
>>air.
>
>Actually, until the seams give out.
Of course they do. It's not so much a need to get every mile form the
underwear, it's just a desire to avoid shopping for anything in the
clothes department. In fact, if they put underwear in the hardware
department, I'd probably buy it more often.
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Date: 17 Jul 2007 11:57:04
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 22:09:30 GMT, still me <wheeledBob@yahoo.com > wrote:
>On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 20:28:58 GMT, Jasper Janssen <jasper@jjanssen.org>
>wrote:
>
>>
>>>etc. I use tires the same way as underwear. According to Seinfield,
>>>men wear underwear until it gets so thin that it disappears into thin
>>>air.
>>
>>Actually, until the seams give out.
>
>Of course they do. It's not so much a need to get every mile form the
>underwear, it's just a desire to avoid shopping for anything in the
>clothes department. In fact, if they put underwear in the hardware
>department, I'd probably buy it more often.
A K-Mart in my neighborhood once performed an amazing public service by putting
men's underwear on sale on a special stand near the front of the store. BOOM!
Fastest shopping trip in history.
They changed that in a hurry.
Ron
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 01:22:27
From: Hank Wirtz
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
> My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> be helping with resitance??
> when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> moment.
>
> I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> Thanks
That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire, Fronts
usually last longer than rears, because there's less weight on them,
and they're not driving the bike forward.
Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
through the tread.
Don't rotate front for rear, because front flats are more dangerous.
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 18:00:33
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 19, 7:26 pm, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle ? wrote:
> > On Jul 19, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> > <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> >>> On Jul 18, 8:31 am, Doug Taylor <dtay...@dreamscape.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 18 Jul 2007 04:24:08 GMT, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> >>>>> I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
> >>>>> front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
> >>>>> wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
> >>>>> rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
> >>>>> it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
> >>>> Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldonhttp://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
> >>>> agree on this issue, it is settled AFAIC.
> >>> Look familiar?:
> >>>http://tinyurl.com/edrmd
> >> I see that Ozark Bicycle prefers retro wool jerseys.
>
> > I prefer people who can think for themselves, as opposed to guru-
> > following sheeple.
>
> The only instances I am aware of Jobst Brandt being wrong are those
> where I have disagreed with him. ;)
>
That's a very Jobst Brandt-like world view.
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 13:37:00
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 19, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> > On Jul 18, 8:31 am, Doug Taylor <dtay...@dreamscape.com> wrote:
> >> On 18 Jul 2007 04:24:08 GMT, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
> >>> I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
> >>> front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
> >>> wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
> >>> rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
> >>> it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
> >> Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldonhttp://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
> >> agree on this issue, it is settled AFAIC.
>
> > Look familiar?:
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/edrmd
>
> I see that Ozark Bicycle prefers retro wool jerseys.
>
>
I prefer people who can think for themselves, as opposed to guru-
following sheeple.
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Date: 20 Jul 2007 11:47:18
From: still me
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 13:37:00 -0700, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
>
>I prefer people who can think for themselves, as opposed to guru-
>following sheeple.
Yeah, look what happens to the country when the leader is a bleeting
idiot and the sheeple just follow him along!
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 19:26:07
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Ozark Bicycle ? wrote:
> On Jul 19, 6:39 am, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
> <sunsetss0...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> On Jul 18, 8:31 am, Doug Taylor <dtay...@dreamscape.com> wrote:
>>>> On 18 Jul 2007 04:24:08 GMT, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>>>>> I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
>>>>> front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
>>>>> wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
>>>>> rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
>>>>> it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
>>>> Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldonhttp://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
>>>> agree on this issue, it is settled AFAIC.
>>> Look familiar?:
>>> http://tinyurl.com/edrmd
>> I see that Ozark Bicycle prefers retro wool jerseys.
>>
>>
>
> I prefer people who can think for themselves, as opposed to guru-
> following sheeple.
The only instances I am aware of Jobst Brandt being wrong are those
where I have disagreed with him. ;)
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 08:51:41
From: tiborg
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 19, 7:22 am, "Barry" <a...@b.c > wrote:
> > If you ride much, rear tires wear out fast enough that the casings
> > don't fall apart from rot.
>
> Out of curiosity - what kind of tires do you use, and about how many miles do
> you get?
As he mentioned, his tube inner to tire outer thickness is at most 3mm
when new. That's about the thickness (not including tube) I start to
replace my tires because of punctures. So it makes sense that Jobst
hasn't experienced a relationship between punctures and thickness
since his tires are thin to start with.
The thinnest tire I've tried was a Conti Grand Prix MTB which I placed
on the front wheel. I had a couple punctures within the first few
thousand kms so I replaced it with a thicker tire and have never had a
front flat since. Currently I have a Specialized NimbusEX on the front
which I'll replace when it gets below 3mm (which should be around
15000km of use). I always dissect my rear tires before throwing them
away so I have a sample with which I can gauge thickness without
having to take the tire off the bike.
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 12:02:12
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 18, 10:15 am, John Forrest Tomlinson <usenetrem...@jt10000.com >
wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 09:31:45 -0400, Doug Taylor
>
>
>
>
>
> <dtay...@dreamscape.com> wrote:
> >On 18 Jul 2007 04:24:08 GMT, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
> >>I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
> >>front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
> >>wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
> >>rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
> >>it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
>
> >Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldon
> >http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
> >agree on this issue, it is settled AFAIC.
>
> >When your rear tire is worn to the point of excessive flatting, it
> >goes to the recycle bin; the existing front tire moves to the rear; a
> >new tire goes to the front. You buy new tires one at a time
> >http://www.biketiresdirect.com/ instead of in pairs: simple, safe,
> >no-brainer.
>
> Seems to me that when either tire is worn enough to be more likely to
> flat it should be replaced. Use the brain tot think about it. The
> rotation thing is a waste of time.
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between 9 and ahlf tread
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 11:29:33
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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between 9 miles and half tread
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 04:25:24
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Jul 18, 8:31 am, Doug Taylor <dtay...@dreamscape.com > wrote:
> On 18 Jul 2007 04:24:08 GMT, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>
> >I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
> >front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
> >wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
> >rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
> >it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
>
> Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldonhttp://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
> agree on this issue, it is settled AFAIC.
>
Look familiar?:
http://tinyurl.com/edrmd
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 06:39:54
From: Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Jul 18, 8:31 am, Doug Taylor <dtay...@dreamscape.com> wrote:
>> On 18 Jul 2007 04:24:08 GMT, jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>>
>>> I don't believe in trying to wear out tires at the same time because
>>> front tires last so much longer for the riding I do. I prefer to
>>> wear the rear tire down to the cords and move the front tire to the
>>> rear, putting a new tire in front. This has a safety reason as I see
>>> it, because I don't care to ride a tie into the cords on the front.
>> Since the resident bike two gurus, Jobst and Sheldonhttp://sheldonbrown.com/tire-rotation.html
>> agree on this issue, it is settled AFAIC.
>>
>
> Look familiar?:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/edrmd
I see that Ozark Bicycle prefers retro wool jerseys.
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Date: 19 Jul 2007 20:36:21
From: Andrew Price
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 06:39:54 -0500, Johnny Sunset aka Tom Sherman
<sunsetss0003@yahoo.com > wrote:
>> http://tinyurl.com/edrmd
>
>I see that Ozark Bicycle prefers retro wool jerseys.
Rather suits him, doesn't it !
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 13:28:02
From: David L. Johnson
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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Hank Wirtz wrote:
> On Jul 11, 11:17 pm, vyaw2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
>> be helping with resitance??
>> when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
>> currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
>> they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>>
>> If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
Wheels are wheels. Some tires fit badly on some rims (hard to get
on/off), but that is highly variable.
>> I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
>> Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
>> moment.
I really like the Vredstein fortezza tires (not the ones with other
initials after the name, the 12-bar, black ones). They wear very well,
have been very good to me regarding flats (now I have gotten the
attention of the tire gods, though), and roll very nicely.
> That's an entirely respectable distance for a rear tire,
Not great, though. I can get 4000 miles on a rear tire.
> Best rule of thumb I've heard I think was from Sheldon: ride it until
> you get more flats than you want to deal with, or you can see cords
> through the tread.
>
> Don't rotate front for rear, because front flats are more dangerous.
I don't know what that means, exactly. The real thing is that, if you
get a new tire, put it on the front, and move the front to the rear,
unless you _have_ to have matching tires (in which case you probably
want colors, too). The old front will usually have enough wear left in
it to last thousands of miles. But, as the previous reply mentions, put
your new tire on the front, since front flats are more dangerous.
--
David L. Johnson
I believe that the motion picture is destined to revolutionize our
educational system and that in a few years it will supplant largely,
if not entirely, the use of textbooks
-- Thomas Edison, 1922
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Date: 12 Jul 2007 16:45:53
From: Bob Chambers
Subject: Re: how many km's between tyres?
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vyaw2003@gmail.com wrote:
> My tyres are looking a little flat rather than curved. this wouldn't
> be helping with resitance??
> when should they be replaced? After a heap of flats?
> currently up to 4,000km. surface, dirty asphlat, no rain.
> they do have lots of cut looking marks but havnt got a flat yet.
>
> If i get some, what is the best for Shimano r550 wheels?
> I want fast speeds and not to wear out in short distance.
> Dont suggest different wheels, as i dont have the coin for that at the
> moment.
>
> I weigh 70kg as i have read that sometimes makes a difference.
>
> Thanks
>
now that you've mentioned it, the puncture fairy will be all over you! :-)
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