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Date: 28 Jun 2007 14:53:36
From: Callistus Valerius
Subject: loose lips, sink ships.......
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Bicycle retail folk probably offer more free advice than any business I
can think of, except maybe the kayak business. But I've noticed there is
always one question where their lips are sealed. So I'll ask it here, when
do the new 2008 bikes get revealed? Now I know they want to unload their
2007's, and even 2006 bikes before they start talking about 2008, but for a
customer like me, I just won't buy a bike that is painted an ugly color.
Now I might buy it at a discounted rate, but I would rather buy at full
price for color that is acceptable to me. Even though I know quite a bit
about bikes, color is a huge motivator on whether I pull out the plastic or
not. C'mon, when do the 2008's show themselves (on-line).
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Date: 04 Jul 2007 08:22:28
From: Marian
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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On Jun 29, 5:06 am, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >>http://www.chainreaction.com/madone_08_review.htmfor the new bikes, and,
> >> as for what that single bike has done to existing inventory... let's just
> >> say I've lost a rather huge chunk of change on '07 road bikes. Bigger
> >> than you can imagine. It's going to be difficult finding a better deal
> >> than $1999 for an '07 Madone 5.2SL (legit price was $3049.99).
>
> > Is the Madone's integrated headset any different from the others out on
> > the market? Chris King's article on them makes me highly skeptical. Your
> > take?
>
> > \\paul
>
> That particular article scared us all when it came out. Fortunately, the
> reality has been quite different. Drop-in bearings, done correctly, are here
> to stay.
Looking around your website I'm almost glad to see that Trek does
_not_ allow authorized dealers to do mail order cause I might
otherwise be very very sorely tempted by the prices on some of those
older Madones on your site.
I flat out REFUSE to buy Trek in China. For some reason Trek China
has decided to charge more for the same products than Trek USA does.
It isn't a whole lot more but it is consistently about the same amount
more (last I checked it was approximately 500rmb) than the US MSRP
whether it was made in the US, made in Taiwan, or made in China and it
irritates me no end.
Currently the dream bike (which will be happening sometime in the next
few months) is going to be a custom Habanero frame, something very
nice in wheels (maybe two sets?), one of them flat topped uber
ergonomic carbon handlebars, carbon stem, carbon seatpost, a specific
Selle Italia saddle I quite like, duck shoe pedals probably by Look
most likely matched with Sidi shoes (and my current pedal/shoe combo
going to wonderboy as a hand-me-down gift) crankset to be determined
(maybe FSA compact, maybe Ultegra), the 105 brifters and ultegra
cassette off of my current race bike, derailleurs and brakes still to
be determined.
-M
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 19:18:38
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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Callistus Valerius wrote:
> Bicycle retail folk probably offer more free advice than any business I
> can think of, except maybe the kayak business. But I've noticed there is
> always one question where their lips are sealed. So I'll ask it here, when
> do the new 2008 bikes get revealed? Now I know they want to unload their
> 2007's, and even 2006 bikes before they start talking about 2008, but for a
> customer like me, I just won't buy a bike that is painted an ugly color.
> Now I might buy it at a discounted rate, but I would rather buy at full
> price for color that is acceptable to me. Even though I know quite a bit
> about bikes, color is a huge motivator on whether I pull out the plastic or
> not. C'mon, when do the 2008's show themselves (on-line).
>
>
Between right now and April of 2008.
Each brand develops a model-variegated strategy based on equipment and
factory time availability, marketing schedule, carryover inventory and
dealer pre-book rates.
No short answer to that.
Last year, for example, a brand we sell had 'early intro' sub-$500
models in June but a pre-sold 'team' model wasn't built until January
delivered in February.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 29 Jun 2007 10:56:45
From: Callistus Valerius
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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> >
> Between right now and April of 2008.
>
> Each brand develops a model-variegated strategy based on equipment and
> factory time availability, marketing schedule, carryover inventory and
> dealer pre-book rates.
> No short answer to that.
>
> Last year, for example, a brand we sell had 'early intro' sub-$500
> models in June but a pre-sold 'team' model wasn't built until January
> delivered in February.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
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so maybe that's why everyone is so tight-lipped.......they just didn't know.
When they showed the 2008 Madone, it got me going....and then nothing else.
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Date: 29 Jun 2007 07:58:24
From: Michael Warner
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:53:36 GMT, Callistus Valerius wrote:
> Bicycle retail folk probably offer more free advice than any business I
> can think of, except maybe the kayak business.
The time any retailer will spend advising you depends on how busy they
are, how much you've spent there in the past, how much you're
thinking of spending now and how much they need your business.
--
Home page: http://members.westnet.com.au/mvw
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 14:57:01
From: Chris Nelson
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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On Jun 28, 5:06 pm, "Mike Jacoubowsky" <M...@ChainReaction.com > wrote:
> > Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> >>http://www.chainreaction.com/madone_08_review.htmfor the new bikes, and,
> >> as for what that single bike has done to existing inventory... let's just
> >> say I've lost a rather huge chunk of change on '07 road bikes. Bigger
> >> than you can imagine. It's going to be difficult finding a better deal
> >> than $1999 for an '07 Madone 5.2SL (legit price was $3049.99).
>
> > Is the Madone's integrated headset any different from the others out on
> > the market? Chris King's article on them makes me highly skeptical. Your
> > take?
>
> > \\paul
>
> That particular article scared us all when it came out. Fortunately, the
> reality has been quite different. Drop-in bearings, done correctly, are here
> to stay.
>
> --Mike Jacoubowsky
> Chain Reaction Bicycleswww.ChainReaction.com
> Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
Then what's up with Litespeed? First they didn't, then they did, now
they do no more.
Chris
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 18:04:01
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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http://www.google.com/search?q=2008+SPECIALIZED&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLJ
http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=302101
SEARCH GOOGLE: 2008 TORPEDO DELUXE
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 16:43:20
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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> Bicycle retail folk probably offer more free advice than any business I
> can think of, except maybe the kayak business. But I've noticed there is
> always one question where their lips are sealed. So I'll ask it here,
> when
> do the new 2008 bikes get revealed? Now I know they want to unload their
> 2007's, and even 2006 bikes before they start talking about 2008, but for
> a
> customer like me, I just won't buy a bike that is painted an ugly color.
> Now I might buy it at a discounted rate, but I would rather buy at full
> price for color that is acceptable to me. Even though I know quite a bit
> about bikes, color is a huge motivator on whether I pull out the plastic
> or
> not. C'mon, when do the 2008's show themselves (on-line).
--Mike-- Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReactionBicycles.com
http://www.chainreaction.com/madone_08_review.htm for the new bikes, and, as
for what that single bike has done to existing inventory... let's just say
I've lost a rather huge chunk of change on '07 road bikes. Bigger than you
can imagine. It's going to be difficult finding a better deal than $1999 for
an '07 Madone 5.2SL (legit price was $3049.99).
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 14:30:17
From: Paul Myron Hobson
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> http://www.chainreaction.com/madone_08_review.htm for the new bikes, and, as
> for what that single bike has done to existing inventory... let's just say
> I've lost a rather huge chunk of change on '07 road bikes. Bigger than you
> can imagine. It's going to be difficult finding a better deal than $1999 for
> an '07 Madone 5.2SL (legit price was $3049.99).
Is the Madone's integrated headset any different from the others out on
the market? Chris King's article on them makes me highly skeptical.
Your take?
\\paul
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 21:06:19
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>> http://www.chainreaction.com/madone_08_review.htm for the new bikes, and,
>> as for what that single bike has done to existing inventory... let's just
>> say I've lost a rather huge chunk of change on '07 road bikes. Bigger
>> than you can imagine. It's going to be difficult finding a better deal
>> than $1999 for an '07 Madone 5.2SL (legit price was $3049.99).
>
> Is the Madone's integrated headset any different from the others out on
> the market? Chris King's article on them makes me highly skeptical. Your
> take?
>
> \\paul
>
That particular article scared us all when it came out. Fortunately, the
reality has been quite different. Drop-in bearings, done correctly, are here
to stay.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
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Date: 28 Jun 2007 18:28:36
From: Paul Myron Hobson
Subject: Re: loose lips, sink ships.......
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>> Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
>>> http://www.chainreaction.com/madone_08_review.htm for the new bikes, and,
>>> as for what that single bike has done to existing inventory... let's just
>>> say I've lost a rather huge chunk of change on '07 road bikes. Bigger
>>> than you can imagine. It's going to be difficult finding a better deal
>>> than $1999 for an '07 Madone 5.2SL (legit price was $3049.99).
> Paul H:
>> Is the Madone's integrated headset any different from the others out on
>> the market? Chris King's article on them makes me highly skeptical. Your
>> take?
>>
>> \\paul
Mike Jacoubowsky wrote:
> That particular article scared us all when it came out. Fortunately, the
> reality has been quite different. Drop-in bearings, done correctly, are here
> to stay.
Oh. Hmm. Interesting. Well, I guess it doesn't matter much since I
won't be buying anything nicer than a Soma Smoothie ES and building it
up on 105 stuff any time soon. Thanks for the info, though.
\\paul
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