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Date: 17 Jul 2007 02:18:55
From: mariusz
Subject: non-campagnolo TDF winners

Hi everyone,
as the wikipedia website says :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo

Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
especially in 70`s or 80`s.
Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

regards
Mariusz

Date: 21 Jul 2007 06:04:21
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Jul 18, 3:39 pm, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 12:03 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote, in small part:
> >
> > > 2006 landis bmc campagnolo 40
> >
> > I don't think that has been determined yet. Or is it in your mind?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > D'ohBoy
>
> What do you think is in doubt? That Landis won the 2006 Tour de
> France, or that Campagnolo components were ridden by the 2006 Tour de
> France winner? As I stated in a previous post:
>
> "and 2006 is still in doubt but Landis and Pereiro (2nd) both used
> Campagnolo."
>
> Whether Landis holds the victory or whether its awarded to Pereiro
> son't change the fact that Campagnolo was used by the 2006 Tour de
> France winner. Unless you are insinuating that both 1st and 2nd will
> be disqualified and Shimano using Kloden will be awarded the 2006
> victory.

Hi, Russell -

Not insinuating anything.

Firstly, I was responding to Carl's listing of TdF winners (including
Floyd in '06).

Secondly, I was actually wondering if there was a new development in
the case I was unaware of.

Thirdly, I was wondering ("Or is it in your mind?") if Carl was
convinced that Floyd would be vindicated.

I really wasn't addressing you, or the use of Campy by the eventually
selected TdF winner in '06 at all.

Regards,

D'ohBoy

Date: 21 Jul 2007 12:12:23
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 19, 2:28 am, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On 17 Lip, 19:03, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:18:55 -0700, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > >Hi everyone,
> > >as the wikipedia website says :
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> > >Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> > >I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> > >especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> > >Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> > >I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> > >it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
> > >regards
> > >Mariusz
>
> > Dear Marius,
>
> > Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
> > derailleurs, with additions to 2006:
>
> > 40 Campagnolo
> > 29 forbidden by tour rules
> > 10 Simplex
> > 7 Shimano
> > 3 Huret
> > 2 Super Champion
> > 1 Vittoria Marghetta
> > 1 Mavic
>
> > Riders switched bikes and derailleurs from year to year,
> > and--gasp!--may have used re-badged equipment.
>
> > Derailleurs were forbidden as tools of the devil until 1937.
>
> > From 1930 to 1939, everyone rode the same generic bicycle.
>
> > The 1946 "Tour" was a 5-day affair, won with Campagnolo, but it's fair
> > to count that year, since the 1947 "Tour" was rigged (the Italians
> > Coppi and Bartali were not allowed to enter in order to insure a
> > French victory--Bartali won the next year with Campagnolo).
>
> > It is unlikely that the derailleur or the bicycle are the key factors
> > in winning the Tour de France.
>
> > The detailed list follows.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Carl Fogel
>
> Interesting fact : no one ever won TDF on COLNAGO !

Not this year either-

Date: 20 Jul 2007 09:13:58
From: Ed Sullivan
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 20, 10:44 am, "Tom Nakashima" <t...@slac.stanford.edu > wrote:
> "Ed Sullivan" <reallybigs...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1184939747.733829.53370@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > New Tour Trivia Contest:
>
> > Who has won a jersey in the TDF (not just yellow) on a rebranded bike?
>
> Guess I'll take a stab at it.
> Bernard Hinault on a Cycles Gitane frame actually made by Vitus, but
> had the name Gitane.
> -tom

I was thinking of Richard Virenque (mountains jersey) on a Peugeot
branded Litespeed.

Date: 20 Jul 2007 06:55:47
From: Ed Sullivan
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 17, 5:18 am, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> as the wikipedia website says :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
> regards
> Mariusz

New Tour Trivia Contest:

Who has won a jersey in the TDF (not just yellow) on a rebranded bike?

Date: 20 Jul 2007 15:53:24
From: Michael Press
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

In article
<1184939747.733829.53370@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com >,
Ed Sullivan <reallybigshow@yahoo.com > wrote:

> On Jul 17, 5:18 am, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > as the wikipedia website says :
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
> >
> > Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> > I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> > especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> > Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> > I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> > it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
> >
> > regards
> > Mariusz
>
> New Tour Trivia Contest:
>
> Who has won a jersey in the TDF (not just yellow) on a rebranded bike?

Everybody.

--
Michael Press

Date: 20 Jul 2007 15:02:11
From: still me
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 06:55:47 -0700, Ed Sullivan
<reallybigshow@yahoo.com > wrote:

>New Tour Trivia Contest:
>
>Who has won a jersey in the TDF (not just yellow) on a rebranded bike?

I dunno Ed, but how's Topo Gigio these days?

Date: 20 Jul 2007 07:44:45
From: Tom Nakashima
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

"Ed Sullivan" <reallybigshow@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1184939747.733829.53370@m3g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>
> New Tour Trivia Contest:
>
> Who has won a jersey in the TDF (not just yellow) on a rebranded bike?
>

Guess I'll take a stab at it.
Bernard Hinault on a Cycles Gitane frame actually made by Vitus, but
had the name Gitane.
-tom

Date: 20 Jul 2007 12:20:57
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 17, 11:03 am, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:18:55 -0700, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >as the wikipedia website says :
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> >Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> >I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> >especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> >Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> >I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> >it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
> >regards
> >Mariusz
>
> Dear Marius,
>
> Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
> derailleurs, with additions to 2006:
>
> 40 Campagnolo
> 29 forbidden by tour rules
> 10 Simplex
> 7 Shimano
> 3 Huret
> 2 Super Champion
> 1 Vittoria Marghetta
> 1 Mavic
>
> Riders switched bikes and derailleurs from year to year,
> and--gasp!--may have used re-badged equipment.
>
> Derailleurs were forbidden as tools of the devil until 1937.
>
> From 1930 to 1939, everyone rode the same generic bicycle.
>
> The 1946 "Tour" was a 5-day affair, won with Campagnolo, but it's fair
> to count that year, since the 1947 "Tour" was rigged (the Italians
> Coppi and Bartali were not allowed to enter in order to insure a
> French victory--Bartali won the next year with Campagnolo).
>
> It is unlikely that the derailleur or the bicycle are the key factors
> in winning the Tour de France.
>
> The detailed list follows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
>
> 1903 garin la fracaise forbidden 01
> 1904 croent cycles j.c. forbidden 02
> 1905 trousseller peugeout forbidden 03
> 1906 pottier peugeout forbidden 04
> 1907 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 05
> 1908 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 06
> 1909 faber alcyon forbidden 07
> 1910 lapize alcyon forbidden 08
> 1911 garrigou alcyon forbidden 09
> 1912 defraye alcyon forbidden 10
> 1913 thys peugeot forbidden 11
> 1914 thys peugeot forbidden 12
> 1915 no tour x x
> 1916 no tour x x
> 1917 no tour x x
> 1918 no tour x x
> 1919 lambot la sportive forbidden 13
> 1920 thys la sportive forbidden 14
> 1921 lambot peugeot forbidden 15
> 1922 pelisier automoto forbidden 16
> 1923 bottechia automoto forbidden 17
> 1924 bottechia automoto forbidden 18
> 1925 buysse automoto forbidden 19
> 1925 frantz alcyon forbidden 20
> 1928 frantz alcyon forbidden 21
> 1929 dewaele alcyon forbidden 22
> 1930 leduq generic forbidden 23
> 1931 magne generic forbidden 24
> 1932 leduq generic forbidden 25
> 1933 speicher generic forbidden 26
> 1934 magne generic forbidden 27
> 1935 r. maes generic forbidden 28
> 1936 s. maes generic forbidden 29
> 1937 lapeble generic super champion 01
> 1938 bartali generic vittoria marghetta 01
> 1939 s. maes generic super champion 02
> 1940 no tour x x
> 1941 no tour x x
> 1942 no tour x x
> 1943 no tour x x
> 1944 no tour x x
> 1945 no tour x x
> 1946*lazarides france sport campagnolo 01
> * 5-day pseudo-tour
> 1947*robic genial-lucifer simplex 01
> *coppi and bartali not allowed
> 1948 bartali legano campagnolo 02
> 1949 coppi bianchi simplex 02
> 1950 kubler frejus simplex 03
> 1951 koblet la perle campagnolo 03
> 1952 coppi bianchi campagnolo 04
> 1953 bobet stella huret 01
> 1954 bobet stella huret 02
> 1955 bobet louison-bobet mercier-huret 03
> 1956 walkowiak geminiani campagnolo 05
> 1957 anquetil heylett simplex 04
> 1958 gaul learco-guerra campagnolo 06
> 1959 bahamontes coppi campagnolo 07
> 1960 nencini no brand campagnolo 08
> 1961 anquetil heylett simplex 05
> 1961 anquetil heylett simplex 06
> 1963 anquetil gitane campagnolo 09
> 1964 anquetil gitane campagnolo 10
> 1965 gimondi magni campagnolo 11
> 1966 aimar geminiani campagnolo 12
> 1967 pingeon peugeot simplex 07
> 1968 janssen lejeune campagnolo 13
> 1969 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 14
> 1970 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 15
> 1971 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 16
> 1972 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 17
> 1973 ocana motobecane campagnolo 18
> 1974 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 19
> 1975 thevenet peugeot simplex 08
> 1976 van impe gitane campagnolo 20
> 1977 thevenet peugeot simplex 09
> 1978 hinault gitane campagnolo 21
> 1979 hinault gitane campagnolo 22
> 1980 zoetemelk gitane campagnolo 23
> 1981 hinault gitane campagnolo 24
> 1982 hinault gitane campagnolo 25
> 1983 fignon gitane simplex 10
> 1984 fignon gitane campagnolo 26
> 1985 hinault hinault campagnolo 27
> 1986 lemond look-hinault campagnolo 28
> 1987 roche battglin campagnolo 29
> 1988 delgado pinarello campagnolo 30
> 1989 lemond bottechia mavic 01
> 1990 lemond lemond campagnolo 31
> 1991 indurain tvt campagnolo 32
> 1992 indurain pinarello campagnolo 33
> 1993 indurain pinarello campagnolo 34
> 1994 indurain pinarello campagnolo 35
> 1995 indurain pinarello campagnolo 36
> 1996 riis pinarello campagnolo 37
> 1997 ullrich pinarello campagnolo 38
> 1998 pantani bianchi campagnolo 39
> 1999 armstrong trek shimano 01
> 2000 armstrong trek shimano 02
> 2001 armstrong trek shimano 03
> 2002 armstrong trek shimano 04
> 2003 armstrong trek shimano 05
> 2004 armstrong trek shimano 06
> 2005 armstrong trek shimano 07
> 2006 landis bmc campagnolo 40

Thanks for that and did ya hear Bobke yesterday, in the 'top 5 most
important tour gadgets' segment say that the rear derailleur was
invented by Tullio?..Sorry Bobke, not so. I like Roll's participation
a LOT. He brings some humor and 'blend' to this spectacle that just
isn't there with the others...but get yer facts striaght.

Date: 20 Jul 2007 10:58:15
From:
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:20:57 -0000, Qui si parla Campagnolo
<peter@vecchios.com > wrote:

[snip list of Tour derailleurs]

>Thanks for that and did ya hear Bobke yesterday, in the 'top 5 most
>important tour gadgets' segment say that the rear derailleur was
>invented by Tullio?..Sorry Bobke, not so. I like Roll's participation
>a LOT. He brings some humor and 'blend' to this spectacle that just
>isn't there with the others...but get yer facts striaght.

Dear Peter,

"In 1895, Frenchman Jean Loubeyre patented a device for derailing the
chain from one sprocket to antoher. He called his gear-changer the
Polyceler (Multi-speed). It had a rod-operated fork to push the chain
sideways from one fixed sprocket to another. Two spring arms, one
above the chainstay, the other below it, pushed on the chain. The arms
took up slack when the chain was on the smaller sprocket. A bicycle
equipped with a Polyceler was shown in the 1896 catalog of the
Compagnie Generale des Cycles. Velocio described this invention in his
famous review of gear-change systems in Le Cycliste in 1919."

--"The First Derailleurs" in Berto's "The Dancing Chain"

Here's what Berto considers the first derailleur, on a sturdy 40-spoke
cross-4 rear with dainty mini-toeclips:

http://i15.tinypic.com/6h6wdi8.jpg

Poseurs soon began demanding more than two rear sprockets, leading to
what fixed-gear enthusiasts call our modern nightmare.

The long control rod under the seat was typical of many early
derailleur designs, all of which were forbidden on the Tour de France
until 1937.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Date: 19 Jul 2007 17:27:39
From: richard
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

1975 & 1977 - Bernard Thevenet on Simplex, Stronglight & Mafac

mariusz wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> as the wikipedia website says :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
> regards
> Mariusz
>

Date: 19 Jul 2007 11:29:38
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 18, 3:39 pm, D'ohBoy <peteng...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Jul 17, 12:03 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote, in small part:
>
> > 2006 landis bmc campagnolo 40
>
> I don't think that has been determined yet. Or is it in your mind?
>
> Regards,
>
> D'ohBoy

What do you think is in doubt? That Landis won the 2006 Tour de
France, or that Campagnolo components were ridden by the 2006 Tour de
France winner? As I stated in a previous post:

"and 2006 is still in doubt but Landis and Pereiro (2nd) both used
Campagnolo."

Whether Landis holds the victory or whether its awarded to Pereiro
son't change the fact that Campagnolo was used by the 2006 Tour de
France winner. Unless you are insinuating that both 1st and 2nd will
be disqualified and Shimano using Kloden will be awarded the 2006
victory.

Date: 19 Jul 2007 05:27:16
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 18, 12:09 pm, still me <wheeled...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:30:45 -0700, "russellseat...@yahoo.com"
>
> <russellseat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >http://www.campyonly.com/tourvictory.html
>
> >For some reason they leave out 75 and 77 and 1999-2005 is well known
> >and 2006 is still in doubt but Landis and Pereiro (2nd) both used
> >Campagnolo.
>
> They leave out '75 and '77 because the Super LJ's beat them.

Then why would they show the 1999-2002 period if they are so concerned
about someone besides Campagnolo winning? Your explanation does not
work given the other facts shown.

>
> After '77, the Campy guys were using Simplex Retro shifters and they
> won again.
>
> (Yeah, that may be a troll :-)

Date: 19 Jul 2007 23:24:58
From: still me
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 05:27:16 -0700, "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<russellseaton1@yahoo.com > wrote:

>> >For some reason they leave out 75 and 77 and 1999-2005 is well known
>> >and 2006 is still in doubt but Landis and Pereiro (2nd) both used
>> >Campagnolo.
>>
>> They leave out '75 and '77 because the Super LJ's beat them.
>
>Then why would they show the 1999-2002 period if they are so concerned
>about someone besides Campagnolo winning? Your explanation does not
>work given the other facts shown.

Pardon, I forgot this is the USEnet and every response, even a
humorous one, has to "put the anal in analyze" :-)

FWIW - the only other possibility (besides intentional omission) is
that they didn't know. Seems unlikely.

Date: 19 Jul 2007 12:06:59
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 17, 7:52 am, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net > wrote:
> In article <1184663935.893100.83...@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
>
> mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> > as the wikipedia website says :
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> > Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> > I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> > especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> > Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> > I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> > it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
> Campagnolo was the dominant component group for decades, with only
> occasional victories by bikes equipped with other components. Since
> 1960 it's been very predominantly Campy. This is mostly due to Campy
> being used by almost every pro team and not necessarily because their
> stuff was "faster."
>
> Bernard Thevenet won in 1975 or 76 on a mix of Simplex and Stronglight.
> Greg Lemond won his comeback tour in 1989 on Mavic IIRC, I don't
> remember what he used in 1986 or 1990.

La Vie Claire and Team 'Z', both Campagnolo.

Certainly from 1991-1998 all the
> winners used Campy, then Lance won his seven Tours on Shimano. No one
> ever won the Tour on Sun Tour.

Date: 19 Jul 2007 08:28:51
From: mariusz
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On 17 Lip, 19:03, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:18:55 -0700, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >as the wikipedia website says :
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> >Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> >I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> >especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> >Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> >I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> >it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
> >regards
> >Mariusz
>
> Dear Marius,
>
> Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
> derailleurs, with additions to 2006:
>
> 40 Campagnolo
> 29 forbidden by tour rules
> 10 Simplex
> 7 Shimano
> 3 Huret
> 2 Super Champion
> 1 Vittoria Marghetta
> 1 Mavic
>
> Riders switched bikes and derailleurs from year to year,
> and--gasp!--may have used re-badged equipment.
>
> Derailleurs were forbidden as tools of the devil until 1937.
>
> From 1930 to 1939, everyone rode the same generic bicycle.
>
> The 1946 "Tour" was a 5-day affair, won with Campagnolo, but it's fair
> to count that year, since the 1947 "Tour" was rigged (the Italians
> Coppi and Bartali were not allowed to enter in order to insure a
> French victory--Bartali won the next year with Campagnolo).
>
> It is unlikely that the derailleur or the bicycle are the key factors
> in winning the Tour de France.
>
> The detailed list follows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel

Interesting fact : no one ever won TDF on COLNAGO !

Date: 19 Jul 2007 08:24:51
From: mariusz
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On 17 Lip, 19:03, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:

> Dear Marius,
>
> Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
> derailleurs, with additions to 2006:
>
> 40 Campagnolo
> 29 forbidden by tour rules
> 10 Simplex
> 7 Shimano
> 3 Huret
> 2 Super Champion
> 1 Vittoria Marghetta
> 1 Mavic

Thanks for such an interesting informations.
By the way what was "vittoria marghetta 01" ?
Does anybody have any information about it ?

/Mariusz

Date: 19 Jul 2007 14:40:53
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

> On 17 Lip, 19:03, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>> Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
>> derailleurs, with additions to 2006:
>> 40 Campagnolo
>> 29 forbidden by tour rules
>> 10 Simplex
>> 7 Shimano
>> 3 Huret
>> 2 Super Champion
>> 1 Vittoria Marghetta
>> 1 Mavic

mariusz wrote:
> Thanks for such an interesting informations.
> By the way what was "vittoria marghetta 01" ?
> Does anybody have any information about it ?

I believe that's an abbreviation for the Vittoria Margherita (?) which
is a front 2-change slider with a simple tensioner.

something much like this, if it's not this very one:
http://www.yellowjersey.org/eroica.html
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Date: 19 Jul 2007 11:07:01
From:
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Thu, 19 Jul 2007 08:24:51 -0000, mariusz <mnienalt@gmail.com >
wrote:

>On 17 Lip, 19:03, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote:
>
>> Dear Marius,
>>
>> Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
>> derailleurs, with additions to 2006:
>>
>> 40 Campagnolo
>> 29 forbidden by tour rules
>> 10 Simplex
>> 7 Shimano
>> 3 Huret
>> 2 Super Champion
>> 1 Vittoria Marghetta
>> 1 Mavic
>
>Thanks for such an interesting informations.
>By the way what was "vittoria marghetta 01" ?
>Does anybody have any information about it ?
>
>/Mariusz

Dear Marius,

I added the "01" to tally how many times each derailleur appeared in
the list compiled from Berto's tables.

"Vittoria Marghetta" is probably just a misspelling in the list for
"Vittoria Margherita," which appears elsewhere in "The Dancing Chain":

"Gino Bartali's decisive victory in the 1938 Tour de France stunned
the readers of the French magazine 'Miroir des Sports.' They protested
that his crushing victory resulted from the Italian team's use of
Vittoria derailleurs, while the other teams were required to use Super
Champions."

Here's the whole page, with a diagram, more details, and a picture of
Bartali using his secret weapon on the cover of the whiny French
magazine:

http://i12.tinypic.com/6f4mi2s.jpg

Note the lack of gloves, the goggles for the dusty roads, the spare
tubular carried as a bandolier, and the cut-down front fender on
Bartali's bike.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

Date: 19 Jul 2007 03:59:41
From: Luigi de Guzman
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 16:45:42 -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:

> In article <139pper5k6gaq91@corp.supernews.com>,
> A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> PouPou never won (sigh)
>
> Alas that we never heard the dulcet voice of Phil Ligget hyperbolize:
>
> "The little man with the big heart, PouPou is dropping down the mountain
> like a stone."
>
> "And PouPou negotiates the slippery curves."
>
> "Oh goodness me, PouPou has hit the floor!"
>
> Etc.
>
> Must be time for the annual list of Liggetisms.

What a missed opportunity!

"The spectators are crowding awfully close here...oh my! Pou Pou hit the
fan! Oh, he really hit the fan on that one!"

--
Luigi de Guzman
http://ouij.livejournal.com

Date: 18 Jul 2007 13:39:31
From: D'ohBoy
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 17, 12:03 pm, carlfo...@comcast.net wrote, in small part:

> 2006 landis bmc campagnolo 40

I don't think that has been determined yet. Or is it in your mind?

Regards,

D'ohBoy

Date: 18 Jul 2007 05:30:45
From: russellseaton1@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 17, 4:18 am, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> as the wikipedia website says :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
> regards
> Mariusz

http://www.campyonly.com/tourvictory.html

For some reason they leave out 75 and 77 and 1999-2005 is well known
and 2006 is still in doubt but Landis and Pereiro (2nd) both used
Campagnolo.

Date: 18 Jul 2007 17:09:22
From: still me
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Wed, 18 Jul 2007 05:30:45 -0700, "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<russellseaton1@yahoo.com > wrote:

>http://www.campyonly.com/tourvictory.html
>
>For some reason they leave out 75 and 77 and 1999-2005 is well known
>and 2006 is still in doubt but Landis and Pereiro (2nd) both used
>Campagnolo.

They leave out '75 and '77 because the Super LJ's beat them.

After '77, the Campy guys were using Simplex Retro shifters and they
won again.

(Yeah, that may be a troll :-)

Date: 17 Jul 2007 11:03:03
From:
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:18:55 -0700, mariusz <mnienalt@gmail.com >
wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>as the wikipedia website says :
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
>Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
>I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
>especially in 70`s or 80`s.
>Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
>I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
>it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
>regards
>Mariusz

Dear Marius,

Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
derailleurs, with additions to 2006:

40 Campagnolo
29 forbidden by tour rules
10 Simplex
7 Shimano
3 Huret
2 Super Champion
1 Vittoria Marghetta
1 Mavic

Riders switched bikes and derailleurs from year to year,
and--gasp!--may have used re-badged equipment.

Derailleurs were forbidden as tools of the devil until 1937.

From 1930 to 1939, everyone rode the same generic bicycle.

The 1946 "Tour" was a 5-day affair, won with Campagnolo, but it's fair
to count that year, since the 1947 "Tour" was rigged (the Italians
Coppi and Bartali were not allowed to enter in order to insure a
French victory--Bartali won the next year with Campagnolo).

It is unlikely that the derailleur or the bicycle are the key factors
in winning the Tour de France.

The detailed list follows.

Cheers,

Carl Fogel

1903 garin la fracaise forbidden 01
1904 croent cycles j.c. forbidden 02
1905 trousseller peugeout forbidden 03
1906 pottier peugeout forbidden 04
1907 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 05
1908 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 06
1909 faber alcyon forbidden 07
1910 lapize alcyon forbidden 08
1911 garrigou alcyon forbidden 09
1912 defraye alcyon forbidden 10
1913 thys peugeot forbidden 11
1914 thys peugeot forbidden 12
1915 no tour x x
1916 no tour x x
1917 no tour x x
1918 no tour x x
1919 lambot la sportive forbidden 13
1920 thys la sportive forbidden 14
1921 lambot peugeot forbidden 15
1922 pelisier automoto forbidden 16
1923 bottechia automoto forbidden 17
1924 bottechia automoto forbidden 18
1925 buysse automoto forbidden 19
1925 frantz alcyon forbidden 20
1928 frantz alcyon forbidden 21
1929 dewaele alcyon forbidden 22
1930 leduq generic forbidden 23
1931 magne generic forbidden 24
1932 leduq generic forbidden 25
1933 speicher generic forbidden 26
1934 magne generic forbidden 27
1935 r. maes generic forbidden 28
1936 s. maes generic forbidden 29
1937 lapeble generic super champion 01
1938 bartali generic vittoria marghetta 01
1939 s. maes generic super champion 02
1940 no tour x x
1941 no tour x x
1942 no tour x x
1943 no tour x x
1944 no tour x x
1945 no tour x x
1946*lazarides france sport campagnolo 01
* 5-day pseudo-tour
1947*robic genial-lucifer simplex 01
*coppi and bartali not allowed
1948 bartali legano campagnolo 02
1949 coppi bianchi simplex 02
1950 kubler frejus simplex 03
1951 koblet la perle campagnolo 03
1952 coppi bianchi campagnolo 04
1953 bobet stella huret 01
1954 bobet stella huret 02
1955 bobet louison-bobet mercier-huret 03
1956 walkowiak geminiani campagnolo 05
1957 anquetil heylett simplex 04
1958 gaul learco-guerra campagnolo 06
1959 bahamontes coppi campagnolo 07
1960 nencini no brand campagnolo 08
1961 anquetil heylett simplex 05
1961 anquetil heylett simplex 06
1963 anquetil gitane campagnolo 09
1964 anquetil gitane campagnolo 10
1965 gimondi magni campagnolo 11
1966 aimar geminiani campagnolo 12
1967 pingeon peugeot simplex 07
1968 janssen lejeune campagnolo 13
1969 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 14
1970 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 15
1971 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 16
1972 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 17
1973 ocana motobecane campagnolo 18
1974 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 19
1975 thevenet peugeot simplex 08
1976 van impe gitane campagnolo 20
1977 thevenet peugeot simplex 09
1978 hinault gitane campagnolo 21
1979 hinault gitane campagnolo 22
1980 zoetemelk gitane campagnolo 23
1981 hinault gitane campagnolo 24
1982 hinault gitane campagnolo 25
1983 fignon gitane simplex 10
1984 fignon gitane campagnolo 26
1985 hinault hinault campagnolo 27
1986 lemond look-hinault campagnolo 28
1987 roche battglin campagnolo 29
1988 delgado pinarello campagnolo 30
1989 lemond bottechia mavic 01
1990 lemond lemond campagnolo 31
1991 indurain tvt campagnolo 32
1992 indurain pinarello campagnolo 33
1993 indurain pinarello campagnolo 34
1994 indurain pinarello campagnolo 35
1995 indurain pinarello campagnolo 36
1996 riis pinarello campagnolo 37
1997 ullrich pinarello campagnolo 38
1998 pantani bianchi campagnolo 39
1999 armstrong trek shimano 01
2000 armstrong trek shimano 02
2001 armstrong trek shimano 03
2002 armstrong trek shimano 04
2003 armstrong trek shimano 05
2004 armstrong trek shimano 06
2005 armstrong trek shimano 07
2006 landis bmc campagnolo 40

Date: 17 Jul 2007 10:51:35
From: * * Chas
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

<carlfogel@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:k2sp931u99favj3ve6emunb46i3if0kfp6@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 17 Jul 2007 02:18:55 -0700, mariusz <mnienalt@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone,
> >as the wikipedia website says :
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
> >
> >Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> >I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> >especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> >Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> >I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> >it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
> >
> >regards
> >Mariusz
>
> Dear Marius,
>
> Berto's "Dancing Chain" lists these Tour de France winners, bikes, and
> derailleurs, with additions to 2006:
>
> 40 Campagnolo
> 29 forbidden by tour rules
> 10 Simplex
> 7 Shimano
> 3 Huret
> 2 Super Champion
> 1 Vittoria Marghetta
> 1 Mavic
>
> Riders switched bikes and derailleurs from year to year,
> and--gasp!--may have used re-badged equipment.
>
> Derailleurs were forbidden as tools of the devil until 1937.
>
> From 1930 to 1939, everyone rode the same generic bicycle.
>
> The 1946 "Tour" was a 5-day affair, won with Campagnolo, but it's fair
> to count that year, since the 1947 "Tour" was rigged (the Italians
> Coppi and Bartali were not allowed to enter in order to insure a
> French victory--Bartali won the next year with Campagnolo).
>
> It is unlikely that the derailleur or the bicycle are the key factors
> in winning the Tour de France.
>
> The detailed list follows.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Carl Fogel
>
> 1903 garin la fracaise forbidden 01
> 1904 croent cycles j.c. forbidden 02
> 1905 trousseller peugeout forbidden 03
> 1906 pottier peugeout forbidden 04
> 1907 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 05
> 1908 petite-breteon peugeout forbidden 06
> 1909 faber alcyon forbidden 07
> 1910 lapize alcyon forbidden 08
> 1911 garrigou alcyon forbidden 09
> 1912 defraye alcyon forbidden 10
> 1913 thys peugeot forbidden 11
> 1914 thys peugeot forbidden 12
> 1915 no tour x x
> 1916 no tour x x
> 1917 no tour x x
> 1918 no tour x x
> 1919 lambot la sportive forbidden 13
> 1920 thys la sportive forbidden 14
> 1921 lambot peugeot forbidden 15
> 1922 pelisier automoto forbidden 16
> 1923 bottechia automoto forbidden 17
> 1924 bottechia automoto forbidden 18
> 1925 buysse automoto forbidden 19
> 1925 frantz alcyon forbidden 20
> 1928 frantz alcyon forbidden 21
> 1929 dewaele alcyon forbidden 22
> 1930 leduq generic forbidden 23
> 1931 magne generic forbidden 24
> 1932 leduq generic forbidden 25
> 1933 speicher generic forbidden 26
> 1934 magne generic forbidden 27
> 1935 r. maes generic forbidden 28
> 1936 s. maes generic forbidden 29
> 1937 lapeble generic super champion 01
> 1938 bartali generic vittoria marghetta 01
> 1939 s. maes generic super champion 02
> 1940 no tour x x
> 1941 no tour x x
> 1942 no tour x x
> 1943 no tour x x
> 1944 no tour x x
> 1945 no tour x x
> 1946*lazarides france sport campagnolo 01
> * 5-day pseudo-tour
> 1947*robic genial-lucifer simplex 01
> *coppi and bartali not allowed
> 1948 bartali legano campagnolo 02
> 1949 coppi bianchi simplex 02
> 1950 kubler frejus simplex 03
> 1951 koblet la perle campagnolo 03
> 1952 coppi bianchi campagnolo 04
> 1953 bobet stella huret 01
> 1954 bobet stella huret 02
> 1955 bobet louison-bobet mercier-huret 03
> 1956 walkowiak geminiani campagnolo 05
> 1957 anquetil heylett simplex 04
> 1958 gaul learco-guerra campagnolo 06
> 1959 bahamontes coppi campagnolo 07
> 1960 nencini no brand campagnolo 08
> 1961 anquetil heylett simplex 05
> 1961 anquetil heylett simplex 06
> 1963 anquetil gitane campagnolo 09
> 1964 anquetil gitane campagnolo 10
> 1965 gimondi magni campagnolo 11
> 1966 aimar geminiani campagnolo 12
> 1967 pingeon peugeot simplex 07
> 1968 janssen lejeune campagnolo 13
> 1969 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 14
> 1970 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 15
> 1971 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 16
> 1972 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 17
> 1973 ocana motobecane campagnolo 18
> 1974 merckx merckx-kessels campagnolo 19
> 1975 thevenet peugeot simplex 08
> 1976 van impe gitane campagnolo 20
> 1977 thevenet peugeot simplex 09
> 1978 hinault gitane campagnolo 21
> 1979 hinault gitane campagnolo 22
> 1980 zoetemelk gitane campagnolo 23
> 1981 hinault gitane campagnolo 24
> 1982 hinault gitane campagnolo 25
> 1983 fignon gitane simplex 10
> 1984 fignon gitane campagnolo 26
> 1985 hinault hinault campagnolo 27
> 1986 lemond look-hinault campagnolo 28
> 1987 roche battglin campagnolo 29
> 1988 delgado pinarello campagnolo 30
> 1989 lemond bottechia mavic 01
> 1990 lemond lemond campagnolo 31
> 1991 indurain tvt campagnolo 32
> 1992 indurain pinarello campagnolo 33
> 1993 indurain pinarello campagnolo 34
> 1994 indurain pinarello campagnolo 35
> 1995 indurain pinarello campagnolo 36
> 1996 riis pinarello campagnolo 37
> 1997 ullrich pinarello campagnolo 38
> 1998 pantani bianchi campagnolo 39
> 1999 armstrong trek shimano 01
> 2000 armstrong trek shimano 02
> 2001 armstrong trek shimano 03
> 2002 armstrong trek shimano 04
> 2003 armstrong trek shimano 05
> 2004 armstrong trek shimano 06
> 2005 armstrong trek shimano 07
> 2006 landis bmc campagnolo 40

Thanks Carl, you saved me the work of listing those. Great book BTW.

--
Chas. verktygjunk@aol.spamski.com (Drop spamski to E-mail me)

Date: 17 Jul 2007 10:52:50
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

mariusz wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> as the wikipedia website says :
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
> Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

Jacques Anquetil on Huret
Roger Pingeon on Simplex (Eddy was a neo-pro for his Peugeot team that
year, '67, on Simplex)
The Merckx years are Campagnolo of course
Luis Ocana on Campagnolo too
Thevenet on Simplex-Spidel
PouPou never won (sigh)

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Date: 17 Jul 2007 16:45:42
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

In article <139pper5k6gaq91@corp.supernews.com >,
A Muzi <am@yellowjersey.org > wrote:

> PouPou never won (sigh)

Alas that we never heard the dulcet voice of Phil Ligget hyperbolize:

"The little man with the big heart, PouPou is dropping down the mountain
like a stone."

"And PouPou negotiates the slippery curves."

"Oh goodness me, PouPou has hit the floor!"

Etc.

Must be time for the annual list of Liggetisms.

Date: 17 Jul 2007 08:52:32
From: Tim McNamara
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

In article <1184663935.893100.83240@o11g2000prd.googlegroups.com >,
mariusz <mnienalt@gmail.com > wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> as the wikipedia website says :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?

Campagnolo was the dominant component group for decades, with only
occasional victories by bikes equipped with other components. Since
1960 it's been very predominantly Campy. This is mostly due to Campy
being used by almost every pro team and not necessarily because their
stuff was "faster."

Bernard Thevenet won in 1975 or 76 on a mix of Simplex and Stronglight.
Greg Lemond won his comeback tour in 1989 on Mavic IIRC, I don't
remember what he used in 1986 or 1990. Certainly from 1991-1998 all the
winners used Campy, then Lance won his seven Tours on Shimano. No one
ever won the Tour on Sun Tour.

Date: 17 Jul 2007 06:48:51
From:
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 17, 8:13 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <pe...@vecchios.com >
wrote:
> On Jul 17, 3:18 am, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> > as the wikipedia website says :
>
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> > Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> > I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> > especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> > Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> > I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> > it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
> > regards
> > Mariusz
>
> Mavic in 1989 with ADR/Bottrechia and Lemond. Think Suntour has won
> once. If you ignore Lance, shimano has never been on a sponsored
> winner. (Helmets ON, flac jacket BUCKLED). Interesting but with a van
> full of new parts and a legion of wrenches, what these guys ride
> really means little. I think what is MORE important is the bike frame,
> heart of the bicycle, not the bits strapped onto said frame. Saddles
> and pedals more important also, or anywhere else the rider 'touches'
> the bike, handlebars..............I think Pinarello has been 'under' a
> bunch of winners(Indurain, Ullrich, Riis).

Well, at least Pinarello decals were under a bunch of winners.
Ullrich in
particular was known for hardly using anything made by his actual
sponsors.
While the carbon fiber era has made re-badging particularly difficult,
a lot of
guys are still riding Walser TT bikes according to cyclingnews:
http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/features/tour_tech_607

Date: 18 Jul 2007 01:00:28
From: Ryan Cousineau
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

In article <1184680131.152722.9190@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com >,
unforgiven99@juno.com wrote:

> On Jul 17, 8:13 am, Qui si parla Campagnolo <pe...@vecchios.com>
> wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 3:18 am, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > > as the wikipedia website says :
> >
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
> >
> > > Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> > > I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> > > especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> > > Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> > > I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> > > it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
> >
> > > regards
> > > Mariusz
> >
> > Mavic in 1989 with ADR/Bottrechia and Lemond. Think Suntour has won
> > once. If you ignore Lance, shimano has never been on a sponsored
> > winner. (Helmets ON, flac jacket BUCKLED). Interesting but with a van
> > full of new parts and a legion of wrenches, what these guys ride
> > really means little. I think what is MORE important is the bike frame,
> > heart of the bicycle, not the bits strapped onto said frame. Saddles
> > and pedals more important also, or anywhere else the rider 'touches'
> > the bike, handlebars..............I think Pinarello has been 'under' a
> > bunch of winners(Indurain, Ullrich, Riis).
>
> Well, at least Pinarello decals were under a bunch of winners.
> Ullrich in
> particular was known for hardly using anything made by his actual
> sponsors.
> While the carbon fiber era has made re-badging particularly difficult,
> a lot of
> guys are still riding Walser TT bikes according to cyclingnews:
> http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2007/tour07/tech/?id=/tech/2007/features/tour_
> tech_607

This 2004 example of rebadging is particularly pertinent:

http://campyonly.com/images/rumors/2004/t-m1.jpg

T-Mobile team bike with Shimano stickers and obvious Record carbon
shifters.

http://campyonly.com/rumors_2004.html

--
Ryan Cousineau rcousine@sfu.ca http://www.wiredcola.com/
"I don't want kids who are thinking about going into mathematics
to think that they have to take drugs to succeed." -Paul Erdos

Date: 17 Jul 2007 15:29:54
From: M-gineering
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

mariusz wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> as the wikipedia website says :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.

???
94 th Tour, only 27 winners on Campy

--
/Marten

info(apestaartje)m-gineering(punt)nl

Date: 17 Jul 2007 11:11:24
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

> mariusz wrote:
>> Hi everyone,
>> as the wikipedia website says :
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>> Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.

M-gineering wrote:
> ???
> 94 th Tour, only 27 winners on Campy

If I recall, the claim is "more Campagnolo than any other single brand",
not "more Campagnolo than all others combined"

--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Date: 17 Jul 2007 05:41:36
From: andresmuro@aol.com
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

Date: 17 Jul 2007 12:13:09
From: Qui si parla Campagnolo
Subject: Re: non-campagnolo TDF winners

On Jul 17, 3:18 am, mariusz <mnien...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> as the wikipedia website says :
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campagnolo
>
> Most of TDF winners were equipped in campagnolo.
> I`m just wondering what were the other winners equipped with,
> especially in 70`s or 80`s.
> Simplex, Suntour, Shimano any suggestions ?
> I`ve heard that peugeot px-10 was the "winner" in TDF few times. Was
> it equipped in french components (Mafac, Stronglight, Simplex) ?
>
> regards
> Mariusz

Mavic in 1989 with ADR/Bottrechia and Lemond. Think Suntour has won
once. If you ignore Lance, shimano has never been on a sponsored
winner. (Helmets ON, flac jacket BUCKLED). Interesting but with a van
full of new parts and a legion of wrenches, what these guys ride
really means little. I think what is MORE important is the bike frame,
heart of the bicycle, not the bits strapped onto said frame. Saddles
and pedals more important also, or anywhere else the rider 'touches'
the bike, handlebars..............I think Pinarello has been 'under' a
bunch of winners(Indurain, Ullrich, Riis).