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Date: 09 Nov 2007 18:19:15
From: J Brown
Subject: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
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Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
sprockets from the hub?
Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
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There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
Cheers,
Joel
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 07:32:27
From: richard
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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Not only do I agree with Andy, I've suffered no damage using my
home-made chain-on-a-stick with a FIVE SPEED Sedis chain. Just hold the
big cog rather than try to force it down between two smaller ones.
J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>
> Cheers,
> Joel
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 10:42:40
From: Pete Grey
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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I'm sure any chain will work, as others have mentioned.
For a really nifty solution to the problem, I bought a Stein tool awhile
back that simply uses allen-head bolts to remove any possible combo.
Here's the manuf. site that has good info:
http://www.jastein.com/Html/Hyper-Handle.htm
Super easy to use, clean, etc! I have no connection to the manuf., other
than owning their tools.
-pete
"J Brown" <joel.2wheels@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:Dw1Zi.15036$4V6.4584@newssvr14.news.prodigy.net...
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without damaging
> them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>
> Cheers,
> Joel
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 09:04:27
From: Lou Holtman
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>
> Cheers,
> Joel
Put in on the largest cog. It has no neighbors.
Lou
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 19:46:21
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>
it's not a problem if you use it on the biggest cog. if you use it mid
block, it won't sit right and could cause tooth damage if it slips, but
that never happens if you use the biggest one as there's no interference.
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 23:56:35
From: Pete Biggs
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
A 9-speed chain whip works on a Campagnolo 10-speed set of cogwheels, IME.
~PB
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 18:06:18
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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> J Brown wrote:
>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
Pete Biggs wrote:
> A 9-speed chain whip works on a Campagnolo 10-speed set of cogwheels, IME.
A track chain works on the big one, too. It really does not matter.
well, perhaps tightly if you your low gears are 19 and 21...
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 18:44:09
From: J Brown
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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Thanks to all.
As soon as I read Andrew's first response I did the head-slap D'oh!
I'll leave with this funny product ad:
Technogel! Potent rail structure!
http://www.worldcycling.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=FIZARIK1&Affiliate=EMAIL
A Muzi wrote:
>> J Brown wrote:
>>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> Pete Biggs wrote:
>> A 9-speed chain whip works on a Campagnolo 10-speed set of cogwheels,
>> IME.
>
> A track chain works on the big one, too. It really does not matter.
>
> well, perhaps tightly if you your low gears are 19 and 21...
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 23:40:04
From: Scott Gordo
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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On Nov 9, 1:19 pm, J Brown <joel.2whe...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> Fromhttp://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y:
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
>
> Cheers,
> Joel
Does anyone even _make_ a 10sp-specific whip? Does the whip's chain
have to be Campy as well?
Pretty funny. Maybe you could poke out the chain rivet from your
current tool and substitute a Campy 10 chain (using, of course, their
proprietary chain breaker.)
/s
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 16:13:59
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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J Brown wrote:
> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
>
> From http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
> ---------------
> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the 10s
> sprockets from the hub?
>
> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and require a
> dedicated tool with the ultranarrow 10s chain (UT-CS060). The old chain
> whip would damage the sprockets because the chain is too wide.
> ---------------
>
> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world info
> from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or road
chain, it matters not.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 23:29:27
From:
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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Andrew Muzi writes:
>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
>> ---------------
>> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the
>> 10s sprockets from the hub?
>> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and
>> require a dedicated tool with the ultra narrow 10s chain
>> (UT-CS060). The old chain whip would damage the sprockets because
>> the chain is too wide.
>> ---------------
>> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world
>> info from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or
> road chain, it matters not.
Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain whip
on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 17:38:09
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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>>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y :
>>> ---------------
>>> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove the
>>> 10s sprockets from the hub?
>>> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and
>>> require a dedicated tool with the ultra narrow 10s chain
>>> (UT-CS060). The old chain whip would damage the sprockets because
>>> the chain is too wide.
>>> ---------------
>>> There's other statements on this site that conflict with real-world
>>> info from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim too.
> Andrew Muzi writes:
>> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or
>> road chain, it matters not.
jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain whip
> on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.
> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog
OK, I guess that's redundant for either use of 'cog'. How about:
Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear; track or
road chain, it matters not.
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 16:14:39
From: Alan Hoyle
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 18:38:09, A Muzi wrote:
> jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
>> Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain whip
>> on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.
>> http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog
> OK, I guess that's redundant for either use of 'cog'. How about:
> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear; track or
> road chain, it matters not.
Other dictionaries list an additional definition of "cog" as "a
cogwheel" so nobody has used it incorrectly.
http://www.answers.com/cog
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cog
Besides, dictionaries are descriptive of how words are used, not
prescriptive of how they should be used.
-alan
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Alan Hoyle - alanh@unc.edu - http://www.alanhoyle.com/
"I don't want the world, I just want your half." -TMBG
Get Horizontal, Play Ultimate.
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Date: 09 Nov 2007 23:41:15
From:
Subject: Re: old chain whip and removing 10 speed cassettes
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Andrew Muzi writes writes:
>>>> I'm contemplating going 10 speed on my new bike.
>>>> Can I use my old chain whip to remove 10-speed cassettes without
>>>> damaging them as the The Campagnolo Q&A so definitely warns against?
http://preview.tinyurl.com/23es9y
>>>> ---------------
>>>> Can I use the old chain whip (sprocket removal tool) to remove
>>>> the 10s sprockets from the hub?
>>>> Absolutely not. The 10s cogs have a much narrower spacing and
>>>> require a dedicated tool with the ultra narrow 10s chain
>>>> (UT-CS060). The old chain whip would damage the sprockets
>>>> because the chain is too wide.
>>>> ---------------
>>>> There's other statements on this site that conflict with
>>>> real-world info from r.b.t, so I thought I'd check out this claim
>>>> too.
>>> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear cog; track or
>>> road chain, it matters not.
>> Can't we just use English and say use any half inch pitch chain
>> whip on the largest sprocket. Cogs are sprocket teeth.
http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/cog
> OK, I guess that's redundant for either use of 'cog'. How about:
> Just use any chain-on-a-stick to hold the low gear; track or
> road chain, it matters not.
Excellent, except people who ask such questions aren't clear on which
sprocket on the cluster is low and high. That's why I suggested
"largest sprocket".
Jobst Brandt
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