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Date: 10 Nov 2007 00:03:14
From: mtb Dad
Subject: pads for 7400 brakes?
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My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
L
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 20:35:12
From: Mike Krueger
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 14, 10:01 am, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net > wrote:
> I tried my local LBS, normally very good, but they drew a blank.
> Maybe I got the wrong guy. I'll try again then go mailorder.
I've still got a few extra sets of NOS replacement Dura Ace brake pads
to fit BR-7400, 7402, 7403 in my spare parts box. You can have two
pairs for $15.00 inc. postage.
Email if interested.
skubanut@aol.com
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Date: 14 Nov 2007 07:01:00
From: mtb Dad
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 13, 4:21 pm, A Muzi <a...@yellowjersey.org > wrote:
> >> mtb Dad wrote:
> >>> Excuse me if I missed it, but I don't ink anyone suggested a pad that
> >>> would fit 7400 holders;
> > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> yes they have - campy.
> >> mtb Dad wrote:
> >>> I'm pretty sure 7800 pads won't fit. Is that
> >>> right? Sounds like Campagnolo is out of the question for a the
> >>> budget.
> > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> that makes no sense if personal safety is on the agenda.
> >> mtb Dad wrote:
> >>> So do I have to replace the old holders then?
> > jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
> >> no. campy/dura-ace pads of that vintage are directly interchangeable.
> >> and readily available.
> mtb Dad wrote:
> > Oops. I was afraid I'd missed it. Thanks. Any mail order sources
> > you can recommend?
>
> Campagnolo Record brake pads and USA copies are a staple at any
> competent LBS. Servicing bicycles is what we do all day!
> --
> Andrew Muziwww.yellowjersey.org
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I tried my local LBS, normally very good, but they drew a blank.
Maybe I got the wrong guy. I'll try again then go mailorder.
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Date: 13 Nov 2007 16:53:43
From: SLAVE of THE STATE
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 11, 10:17 am, Steve Gravrock <use...@sdg.users.panix.com >
wrote:
> Have you used the Kool-Stop black pads? If so, what did you think of
> them?
I have used black "eagle claws" and they are the best dry stop pads
available -- certainly better than salmon pads, which I have also
tried. They are okay in the wet.
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Date: 13 Nov 2007 15:57:29
From: mtb Dad
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 13, 5:56 am, jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net > wrote:
> mtb Dad wrote:
> > Excuse me if I missed it, but I don't ink anyone suggested a pad that
> > would fit 7400 holders;
>
> yes they have - campy.
>
> > I'm pretty sure 7800 pads won't fit. Is that
> > right? Sounds like Campagnolo is out of the question for a the
> > budget.
>
> that makes no sense if personal safety is on the agenda.
>
> > So do I have to replace the old holders then?
>
> no. campy/dura-ace pads of that vintage are directly interchangeable.
> and readily available.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Thnaks all for the advice.- Hide quoted text -
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> - Show quoted text -
Oops. I was afraid I'd missed it. Thanks. Any mail order sources
you can recommend?
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Date: 13 Nov 2007 18:21:23
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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>> mtb Dad wrote:
>>> Excuse me if I missed it, but I don't ink anyone suggested a pad that
>>> would fit 7400 holders;
> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> yes they have - campy.
>> mtb Dad wrote:
>>> I'm pretty sure 7800 pads won't fit. Is that
>>> right? Sounds like Campagnolo is out of the question for a the
>>> budget.
> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> that makes no sense if personal safety is on the agenda.
>> mtb Dad wrote:
>>> So do I have to replace the old holders then?
> jim beam <spamvor...@bad.example.net> wrote:
>> no. campy/dura-ace pads of that vintage are directly interchangeable.
>> and readily available.
mtb Dad wrote:
> Oops. I was afraid I'd missed it. Thanks. Any mail order sources
> you can recommend?
Campagnolo Record brake pads and USA copies are a staple at any
competent LBS. Servicing bicycles is what we do all day!
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 23:32:14
From: mtb Dad
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Excuse me if I missed it, but I don't ink anyone suggested a pad that
would fit 7400 holders; I'm pretty sure 7800 pads won't fit. Is that
right? Sounds like Campagnolo is out of the question for a the
budget. So do I have to replace the old holders then?
Thnaks all for the advice.
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Date: 13 Nov 2007 05:56:39
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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mtb Dad wrote:
> Excuse me if I missed it, but I don't ink anyone suggested a pad that
> would fit 7400 holders;
yes they have - campy.
> I'm pretty sure 7800 pads won't fit. Is that
> right? Sounds like Campagnolo is out of the question for a the
> budget.
that makes no sense if personal safety is on the agenda.
> So do I have to replace the old holders then?
no. campy/dura-ace pads of that vintage are directly interchangeable.
and readily available.
>
> Thnaks all for the advice.
>
>
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 21:40:44
From: Greg in IN
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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mtb Dad,
If they still have them in stock, you can try World Class Cycles for DA OEM.
http://www.worldclasscycles.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=WCC&Category_Code=SPB
HTH
Greg in IN
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 19:31:37
From: landotter
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 11, 9:00 pm, Mark <remove.mandmlj.t...@remove.comcast.this.net >
wrote:
> jobst.bra...@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> > Kenny Postoasted writes:
>
> >>> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
> >>> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and
> >>> shoe combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the
> >>> old shoes for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way
> >>> to go?
>
> >>> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>
> >> Real hands on experience here. Campy pads last longer and stop
> >> better in wet or dry conditions than Cool Stops. Cool Stops work
> >> almost as well except they don't last as long, but they're a lot
> >> cheaper. I like Campy, but for the price I use Cool Stops.
>
> > I'm not convinced that Kool-Stops don't last as long as other pads.
> > I've been using them for years now and they last better than 20,000mi
> > that include two summers on tours in the alps. Right now I am riding
> > the same pads I rode three years ago on my tour in the alps. They
> > are about down to the metal.
>
> I've often wondered what would happen if one did get all the way "down
> to the metal" on the one-piece molded brake pads - have you found out,
> or do you catch them in time?
>
> At first thought I worry about quickly chewing the rims up badly - is
> that how it goes, or is it not as bad as I'm guessing?
For my neighbor it meant not riding his bike for five years till I
took a look at his pads. The LBS insisted that his brakes were set up
great, and upon inspection they were fine--but the metal carrier was
bent forward and rubbed on the rim through the braking compound making
a terrible racket. A half worn pad from my fuckit bucket sorted him.
He wasn't even close to the wear line--it just looked like a major bit
of road debris in the pad. I kept trying to pull it out, till I ended
up more or less dissecting the thing and discovering the truth. In
real world use--if ya hear scraping--and it's pretty nasty with metal
to metal, use the alternate brake, and replace the pads pronto.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 16:29:07
From: Kenny
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 10, 4:03 pm, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net > wrote:
> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
> combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
> for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>
> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>
> L
Real hands on experience here. Campy pads last longer and stop better
in wet or dry conditions than Cool Stops. Cool Stops work almost as
well except they don't last as long, but they're a lot cheaper. I like
Campy, but for the price I use Cool Stops.
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 01:25:26
From:
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Kenny Postoasted writes:
>> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
>> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and
>> shoe combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the
>> old shoes for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way
>> to go?
>> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
> Real hands on experience here. Campy pads last longer and stop
> better in wet or dry conditions than Cool Stops. Cool Stops work
> almost as well except they don't last as long, but they're a lot
> cheaper. I like Campy, but for the price I use Cool Stops.
I'm not convinced that Kool-Stops don't last as long as other pads.
I've been using them for years now and they last better than 20,000mi
that include two summers on tours in the alps. Right now I am riding
the same pads I rode three years ago on my tour in the alps. They
are about down to the metal.
http://www.trentobike.org/Countries/Europe/Tour_Reports/Tour_of_the_Alps/
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 19:00:47
From: Mark
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> Kenny Postoasted writes:
>
>>> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
>>> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and
>>> shoe combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the
>>> old shoes for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way
>>> to go?
>
>>> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>
>> Real hands on experience here. Campy pads last longer and stop
>> better in wet or dry conditions than Cool Stops. Cool Stops work
>> almost as well except they don't last as long, but they're a lot
>> cheaper. I like Campy, but for the price I use Cool Stops.
>
> I'm not convinced that Kool-Stops don't last as long as other pads.
> I've been using them for years now and they last better than 20,000mi
> that include two summers on tours in the alps. Right now I am riding
> the same pads I rode three years ago on my tour in the alps. They
> are about down to the metal.
I've often wondered what would happen if one did get all the way "down
to the metal" on the one-piece molded brake pads - have you found out,
or do you catch them in time?
At first thought I worry about quickly chewing the rims up badly - is
that how it goes, or is it not as bad as I'm guessing?
Mark J.
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Date: 12 Nov 2007 05:10:16
From:
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Mark Mandmlj writes:
ow do you pronounce that?
>>>> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
>>>> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and
>>>> shoe combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the
>>>> old shoes for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the
>>>> way to go?
>>>> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>>> Real hands on experience here. Campy pads last longer and stop
>>> better in wet or dry conditions than Cool Stops. Cool Stops work
>>> almost as well except they don't last as long, but they're a lot
>>> cheaper. I like Campy, but for the price I use Cool Stops.
>> I'm not convinced that Kool-Stops don't last as long as other pads.
>> I've been using them for years now and they last better than
>> 20,000mi that include two summers on tours in the alps. Right now
>> I am riding the same pads I rode three years ago on my tour in the
>> alps. They are about down to the metal.
> I've often wondered what would happen if one did get all the way
> "down to the metal" on the one-piece molded brake pads - have you
> found out, or do you catch them in time?
> At first thought I worry about quickly chewing the rims up badly -
> is that how it goes, or is it not as bad as I'm guessing?
As they wear to the metal, the first contact can be heard as a light
scraping sound. This will occur on a hard application and will allow
slowing down to s smooth silent stop. It doesn't gall the rim and I
carry spare brake pads in my touring bag to replace them at that time.
Not all my pads are worn until the metal shows but I let them get
close and replace them when that point looks imminent riding around
here because I don't carry spare pads.
Last time I had half worn pads, at the start of a Alps tour, my friend
advised me to change them immediately, something that I didn't do.
That was two years ago. This summer, the same pads had worn 3/4 down,
to have him give the same advice before we got under way. I'll change
those pads some time next week probably.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 11:29:25
From: landotter
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 10, 1:19 pm, Orin <orin.e...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Nov 10, 8:29 am, Ozark Bicycle
>
>
>
> <bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 10, 8:32 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 10, 2:03 am, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > > My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
> > > > suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
> > > > combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
> > > > for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>
> > > > I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>
> > > > L
>
> > >http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpjorhttp://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
>
> > > $13
>
> > > Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
>
> > > Ignore idiot beam.
>
> > It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
> > shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
> > Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so
>
> I must admit I was underwhelmed when I went from Campy to Kool Stop
> salmon pads. While I've not seen the salmons suck up grit like some
> Tektro pads I have, wet performance with the Campy sized pads is poor
> with poor braking on initial application, then grabbing hard after a
> second or so. I did not notice such a delay with the previous Campy
> pads. The smaller Kool Stop "Continental" salmon pads however do not
> seem to have this delay and work fine IMO.
I love the Continentals. If they fit use 'em. I run the DA refill
black Kool-Stops on my fixed gear--and out of the box, they're
unimpressive--just remove the mold compound with a bit of sandpaper,
and they come to life.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 00:48:50
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On 2007-11-10, landotter <landotter@gmail.com > wrote:
> I love the Continentals. If they fit use 'em. I run the DA refill
> black Kool-Stops on my fixed gear--and out of the box, they're
> unimpressive--just remove the mold compound with a bit of sandpaper,
> and they come to life.
I had the same black Kool-Stops on my road bike for a while. They were
better than the stock Tektros, but I threw them away after the first
time I used them in heavy rain. I've got Clark red pads on now, as the
LBS doesn't carry Kool-Stop salmon. I haven't used them in anything other
than a drizzle yet, but on dry pavement they grip the rim so much better
that I nearly lost control the first time I tried to brake one-handed.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 03:46:59
From:
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Steve Gravrock writes:
>> I love the Continentals. If they fit use 'em. I run the DA refill
>> black Kool-Stops on my fixed gear--and out of the box, they're
>> unimpressive--just remove the mold compound with a bit of
>> sandpaper, and they come to life.
> I had the same black Kool-Stops on my road bike for a while. They
> were better than the stock Tektros, but I threw them away after the
> first time I used them in heavy rain. I've got Clark red pads on
> now, as the LBS doesn't carry Kool-Stop salmon. I haven't used them
> in anything other than a drizzle yet, but on dry pavement they grip
> the rim so much better that I nearly lost control the first time I
> tried to brake one-handed.
It's possible you didn't do sufficient testing to ascertain whether
the Kool-Stop pads were in fact inferior. In my experience I have
descended after riding through snow from which a solid coating of snow
piled up on the inner radius of the rim. I noticed that there was
effectively no useful braking until all the snow had melted and run
across the braking surface of the rim. Even though the road was wet,
braking worked well after direct water feed ceased.
I experienced this with Campagnolo, Universal, and Kool-Stop pads.
This is consistent with ASLE (American Society of Lubrication Engrs.)
that report that RR locomotives have poor traction on wet (polished)
steel rails even though leading wheels are not the drivers.
On a train from Bregenz (A) to Innsbruck, in heavy rain, the train, of
a dozen or so cars, stalled from intermittent wheel spin that was
squelched by ABS even though the locomotive had sufficient power for
the grade had it been dry. A pusher was called to shove us to the
Arlberg tunnel, after which it's all level or down hill to Innsbruck.
Don't underestimate the lubricating ability of water.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 18:17:19
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On 2007-11-11, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org
<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org > wrote:
> Steve Gravrock writes:
>
>> I had the same black Kool-Stops on my road bike for a while. They
>> were better than the stock Tektros, but I threw them away after the
>> first time I used them in heavy rain. I've got Clark red pads on
>> now, as the LBS doesn't carry Kool-Stop salmon. I haven't used them
>> in anything other than a drizzle yet, but on dry pavement they grip
>> the rim so much better that I nearly lost control the first time I
>> tried to brake one-handed.
>
> It's possible you didn't do sufficient testing to ascertain whether
> the Kool-Stop pads were in fact inferior. In my experience I have
> descended after riding through snow from which a solid coating of snow
> piled up on the inner radius of the rim. I noticed that there was
> effectively no useful braking until all the snow had melted and run
> across the braking surface of the rim. Even though the road was wet,
> braking worked well after direct water feed ceased.
I'm not sure what you would consider sufficent testing. I rode for about
five miles, including a couple of stops from 30 MPH on a downhill. I
didn't get very effective braking even after allowing time for the water
to be scrubbed off the rim. However, now that I think about it, it may
not have been due to the pads. This was the first heavy rain after a dry
spell and there was probably a fair bit of oil in the water on the road.
I'm familiar with the way rim brakes behave in the rain, but I don't
experience those conditions more than about once a year.
Have you used the Kool-Stop black pads? If so, what did you think of
them?
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 20:21:40
From:
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Steve Gravrock writes:
>>> I had the same black Kool-Stops on my road bike for a while. They
>>> were better than the stock Tektros, but I threw them away after
>>> the first time I used them in heavy rain. I've got Clark red pads
>>> on now, as the LBS doesn't carry Kool-Stop salmon. I haven't used
>>> them in anything other than a drizzle yet, but on dry pavement
>>> they grip the rim so much better that I nearly lost control the
>>> first time I tried to brake one-handed.
>> It's possible you didn't do sufficient testing to ascertain whether
>> the Kool-Stop pads were in fact inferior. In my experience I have
>> descended after riding through snow from which a solid coating of
>> snow piled up on the inner radius of the rim. I noticed that there
>> was effectively no useful braking until all the snow had melted and
>> run across the braking surface of the rim. Even though the road
>> was wet, braking worked well after direct water feed ceased.
> I'm not sure what you would consider sufficient testing. I rode for
> about five miles, including a couple of stops from 30 MPH on a
> downhill. I didn't get very effective braking even after allowing
> time for the water to be scrubbed off the rim. However, now that I
> think about it, it may not have been due to the pads. This was the
> first heavy rain after a dry spell and there was probably a fair bit
> of oil in the water on the road. I'm familiar with the way rim
> brakes behave in the rain, but I don't experience those conditions
> more than about once a year.
I doubt that oily water on the road had an effect. Your experience
doesn't match mine, in which I have ridden more than two dozen pair of
Kool-Stop Continental (salmon red) pads to the metal. I arrived on
this after trying many different pad materials, all of which picked up
more or less grit and machined aluminum shavings into the pads. Wet
performance never caused a problem with any of these pads so that
wasn't a criterion.
> Have you used the Kool-Stop black pads? If so, what did you think
> of them?
I'm no longer searching for better brake pads so I don't know what
other pads do except that I hear riders descending with new equipment
(not using Kool-Stop pads) that makes horrible grinding noises while
braking on steep grades. Embedded aluminum from rims is a major
failing for some brake pads.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 20:50:42
From: Steve Gravrock
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On 2007-11-11, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org
<jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org > wrote:
> I doubt that oily water on the road had an effect. Your experience
> doesn't match mine, in which I have ridden more than two dozen pair of
> Kool-Stop Continental (salmon red) pads to the metal. I arrived on
> this after trying many different pad materials, all of which picked up
> more or less grit and machined aluminum shavings into the pads. Wet
> performance never caused a problem with any of these pads so that
> wasn't a criterion.
The Kool-Stop black pads are a different animal. Wet braking doesn't
match my recollection of the salmon pads or even the Tektros that came
on my bike. Looking at the ones I took off, I see a couple of flakes of
aluminum embedded in them. Other than shape, I don't think they have
much in common with the salmon pads.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 21:04:45
From:
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Steve Gravrock writes:
>> I doubt that oily water on the road had an effect. Your experience
>> doesn't match mine, in which I have ridden more than two dozen pair
>> of Kool-Stop Continental (salmon red) pads to the metal. I arrived
>> on this after trying many different pad materials, all of which
>> picked up more or less grit and machined aluminum shavings into the
>> pads. Wet performance never caused a problem with any of these
>> pads so that wasn't a criterion.
> The Kool-Stop black pads are a different animal. Wet braking
> doesn't match my recollection of the salmon pads or even the Tektros
> that came on my bike. Looking at the ones I took off, I see a
> couple of flakes of aluminum embedded in them. Other than shape, I
> don't think they have much in common with the salmon pads.
Possibly the black is achieved by adding carbon black, a substance
that enhances wet friction in tire tread compound. As I said, wet
braking has not been a problem for me and that may be because I don't
expect to brake as hard on wet roads compared o dry pavement. When
dry, I nearly stand the bicycle on its front wheel on steep descents,
something I don't expect on wet roads.
Jobst Brandt
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 12:48:58
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org wrote:
> Steve Gravrock writes:
>
>>>> I had the same black Kool-Stops on my road bike for a while. They
>>>> were better than the stock Tektros, but I threw them away after
>>>> the first time I used them in heavy rain. I've got Clark red pads
>>>> on now, as the LBS doesn't carry Kool-Stop salmon. I haven't used
>>>> them in anything other than a drizzle yet, but on dry pavement
>>>> they grip the rim so much better that I nearly lost control the
>>>> first time I tried to brake one-handed.
>
>>> It's possible you didn't do sufficient testing to ascertain whether
>>> the Kool-Stop pads were in fact inferior. In my experience I have
>>> descended after riding through snow from which a solid coating of
>>> snow piled up on the inner radius of the rim. I noticed that there
>>> was effectively no useful braking until all the snow had melted and
>>> run across the braking surface of the rim. Even though the road
>>> was wet, braking worked well after direct water feed ceased.
>
>> I'm not sure what you would consider sufficient testing. I rode for
>> about five miles, including a couple of stops from 30 MPH on a
>> downhill. I didn't get very effective braking even after allowing
>> time for the water to be scrubbed off the rim. However, now that I
>> think about it, it may not have been due to the pads. This was the
>> first heavy rain after a dry spell and there was probably a fair bit
>> of oil in the water on the road. I'm familiar with the way rim
>> brakes behave in the rain, but I don't experience those conditions
>> more than about once a year.
>
> I doubt that oily water on the road had an effect. Your experience
> doesn't match mine, in which I have ridden more than two dozen pair of
> Kool-Stop Continental (salmon red) pads to the metal. I arrived on
> this after trying many different pad materials, all of which picked up
> more or less grit and machined aluminum shavings into the pads. Wet
> performance never caused a problem with any of these pads so that
> wasn't a criterion.
>
>> Have you used the Kool-Stop black pads? If so, what did you think
>> of them?
>
> I'm no longer searching for better brake pads so I don't know what
> other pads do except that I hear riders descending with new equipment
> (not using Kool-Stop pads) that makes horrible grinding noises while
> braking on steep grades. Embedded aluminum from rims is a major
> failing for some brake pads.
or blame the rim. ceramic prevents this problem completely.
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Date: 11 Nov 2007 10:49:53
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Steve Gravrock wrote:
> On 2007-11-11, jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org
> <jobst.brandt@stanfordalumni.org> wrote:
>> Steve Gravrock writes:
>>
>>> I had the same black Kool-Stops on my road bike for a while. They
>>> were better than the stock Tektros, but I threw them away after the
>>> first time I used them in heavy rain. I've got Clark red pads on
>>> now, as the LBS doesn't carry Kool-Stop salmon. I haven't used them
>>> in anything other than a drizzle yet, but on dry pavement they grip
>>> the rim so much better that I nearly lost control the first time I
>>> tried to brake one-handed.
>> It's possible you didn't do sufficient testing to ascertain whether
>> the Kool-Stop pads were in fact inferior. In my experience I have
>> descended after riding through snow from which a solid coating of snow
>> piled up on the inner radius of the rim. I noticed that there was
>> effectively no useful braking until all the snow had melted and run
>> across the braking surface of the rim. Even though the road was wet,
>> braking worked well after direct water feed ceased.
>
> I'm not sure what you would consider sufficent testing. I rode for about
> five miles, including a couple of stops from 30 MPH on a downhill. I
> didn't get very effective braking even after allowing time for the water
> to be scrubbed off the rim. However, now that I think about it, it may
> not have been due to the pads. This was the first heavy rain after a dry
> spell and there was probably a fair bit of oil in the water on the road.
but other pads work better in exactly the same conditions, so that can't
be a factor.
> I'm familiar with the way rim brakes behave in the rain, but I don't
> experience those conditions more than about once a year.
>
> Have you used the Kool-Stop black pads? If so, what did you think of
> them?
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 19:19:45
From: Orin
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 10, 8:29 am, Ozark Bicycle
<bicycleatel...@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote:
> On Nov 10, 8:32 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 10, 2:03 am, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > > My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
> > > suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
> > > combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
> > > for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>
> > > I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>
> > > L
>
> >http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpjorhttp://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
>
> > $13
>
> > Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
>
> > Ignore idiot beam.
>
> It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
> shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
> Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so
I must admit I was underwhelmed when I went from Campy to Kool Stop
salmon pads. While I've not seen the salmons suck up grit like some
Tektro pads I have, wet performance with the Campy sized pads is poor
with poor braking on initial application, then grabbing hard after a
second or so. I did not notice such a delay with the previous Campy
pads. The smaller Kool Stop "Continental" salmon pads however do not
seem to have this delay and work fine IMO.
Orin.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 08:29:08
From: Ozark Bicycle
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 10, 8:32 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com > wrote:
> On Nov 10, 2:03 am, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net> wrote:
>
> > My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
> > suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
> > combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
> > for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>
> > I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>
> > L
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpjorhttp://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
>
> $13
>
> Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
>
> Ignore idiot beam.
It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so......
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 23:53:44
From: Mike Jacoubowsky
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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> It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
> shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
> Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so......
Shimano would be in the "serious makers" category, and they've made some
really dreadful road shoes in the past. Check out
www.ChainReaction.com/brakeshoes.htm for an example of some horrid,
rim-killing brake shoes Shimano produced for a period of time. Since then,
they've been much better, but there's still a fair amount of variability
from batch to batch.
KoolStop, on the other hand, has made consistently high-quality brake shoes
for a very long time, without exception. My only beef with KoolStop is their
silly little tab at the end of the shoe, which they believe scrapes away mud
& crud and improves braking. In my opinion it does none of that, but does
cause you to set up the brakes further from the rim than you might wish.
--Mike Jacoubowsky
Chain Reaction Bicycles
www.ChainReaction.com
Redwood City & Los Altos, CA USA
"Ozark Bicycle" <bicycleatelier@ozarkbicycleservice.com > wrote in message
news:1194712148.446391.213220@v2g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 10, 8:32 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 10, 2:03 am, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>> > My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
>> > suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
>> > combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
>> > for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>>
>> > I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>>
>> > L
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpjorhttp://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
>>
>> $13
>>
>> Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
>>
>> Ignore idiot beam.
>
> It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
> shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
> Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so......
>
>
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 10:43:42
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Ozark Bicycle wrote:
> On Nov 10, 8:32 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Nov 10, 2:03 am, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net> wrote:
>>
>>> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
>>> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
>>> combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
>>> for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>>> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>>> L
>> http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpjorhttp://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
>>
>> $13
>>
>> Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
>>
>> Ignore idiot beam.
>
> It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
> shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
> Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so......
>
Is SRAM "non-serious"? I replaced all my stock SRAM pads with Kool Stop
"salmon", since the SRAM pads ALL had several pieces of embedded
aluminium alloy or sand, and were creating wear grooves in the rims.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 10:40:07
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Tom Sherman wrote:
> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>> On Nov 10, 8:32 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Nov 10, 2:03 am, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
>>>> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
>>>> combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
>>>> for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>>>> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>>>> L
>>> http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpjorhttp://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
>>>
>>> $13
>>>
>>> Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
>>>
>>> Ignore idiot beam.
>>
>> It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
>> shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
>> Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so......
>>
> Is SRAM "non-serious"? I replaced all my stock SRAM pads with Kool Stop
> "salmon", since the SRAM pads ALL had several pieces of embedded
> aluminium alloy or sand, and were creating wear grooves in the rims.
>
so you're just following the other sheep. that's smart. i suppose that
photo evidence of those kool-stop pads accumulating grit must be fraudulent.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 13:13:48
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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"jim beam" wrote:
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>> On Nov 10, 8:32 am, landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 10, 2:03 am, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
>>>>> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
>>>>> combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
>>>>> for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>>>>> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>>>>> L
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpjorhttp://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
>>>>
>>>> $13
>>>>
>>>> Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
>>>>
>>>> Ignore idiot beam.
>>>
>>> It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
>>> shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
>>> Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so......
>>>
>> Is SRAM "non-serious"? I replaced all my stock SRAM pads with Kool
>> Stop "salmon", since the SRAM pads ALL had several pieces of embedded
>> aluminium alloy or sand, and were creating wear grooves in the rims.
>>
>
> so you're just following the other sheep. that's smart. i suppose that
> photo evidence of those kool-stop pads accumulating grit must be
> fraudulent.
Well "jim", on the exact same rims and riding conditions, the Kool Stop
pads did not get FOD embedded in the pads where the stock SRAM pads did.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 13:22:44
From: A Muzi
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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>>>>> mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
>>>>>> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
>>>>>> combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old
>>>>>> shoes
>>>>>> for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>>>>>> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>>>> landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpjorhttp://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
>>>>> $13
>>>>> Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
>>>>> Ignore idiot beam.
>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>> It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
>>>> shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
>>>> Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so......
>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>> Is SRAM "non-serious"? I replaced all my stock SRAM pads with Kool
>>> Stop "salmon", since the SRAM pads ALL had several pieces of embedded
>>> aluminium alloy or sand, and were creating wear grooves in the rims.
> "jim beam" wrote:
>> so you're just following the other sheep. that's smart. i suppose
>> that photo evidence of those kool-stop pads accumulating grit must be
>> fraudulent.
Tom Sherman wrote:
> Well "jim", on the exact same rims and riding conditions, the Kool Stop
> pads did not get FOD embedded in the pads where the stock SRAM pads did.
FOD?
Fort Dodge, Iowa airport code?
Field Officer of the Day?
Free Online Dating?
--
Andrew Muzi
www.yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 13:23:34
From: Tom Sherman
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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Andrew Muzi wrote:
>>>>>> mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
>>>>>>> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and
>>>>>>> shoe
>>>>>>> combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old
>>>>>>> shoes
>>>>>>> for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>>>>>>> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>
>>>>> landotter <landot...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpjorhttp://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
>>>>>> $13
>>>>>> Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
>>>>>> Ignore idiot beam.
>
>>>> Ozark Bicycle wrote:
>>>>> It's really pretty naive to believe that Kool Stop pads are head and
>>>>> shoulders better than the products of serious makers like Campagnolo.
>>>>> Just 'cuz some guy sez so on his website don't make it so......
>
>>> Tom Sherman wrote:
>>>> Is SRAM "non-serious"? I replaced all my stock SRAM pads with Kool
>>>> Stop "salmon", since the SRAM pads ALL had several pieces of
>>>> embedded aluminium alloy or sand, and were creating wear grooves in
>>>> the rims.
>
>> "jim beam" wrote:
>>> so you're just following the other sheep. that's smart. i suppose
>>> that photo evidence of those kool-stop pads accumulating grit must be
>>> fraudulent.
>
> Tom Sherman wrote:
>> Well "jim", on the exact same rims and riding conditions, the Kool
>> Stop pads did not get FOD embedded in the pads where the stock SRAM
>> pads did.
>
> FOD?
> Fort Dodge, Iowa airport code?
> Field Officer of the Day?
> Free Online Dating?
Foreign Objects and Debris.
--
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
Tradition is the worst rational for action.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 06:32:38
From: landotter
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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On Nov 10, 2:03 am, mtb Dad <listerfar...@telus.net > wrote:
> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
> combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
> for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
>
> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
>
> L
http://tinyurl.com/2wmlpj or http://tinyurl.com/3xmgxg
$13
Ignore the idiocy of beam-boy.
Ignore idiot beam.
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Date: 10 Nov 2007 06:20:11
From: jim beam
Subject: Re: pads for 7400 brakes?
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mtb Dad wrote:
> My old pads are finally wearing out. I looked at the old threads
> suggesting Koolstop and Third hand, but these seem to be pad and shoe
> combinations. Is there a pad available that will fit in the old shoes
> for aesthetic reasons? If not, is kool stop dura the way to go?
they don't stop you very well in the wet. and their so-called "rim
friendly" properties aren't much to write home about either.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/38636024@N00/101935519/
>
> I saw somewhere that 7400 was a campy copy. Would their shoes fit?
yes. campy have the best brake compound imo. stops you when wet,
minimal gritting.
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