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Date: 18 Jun 2007 23:14:05
From: datakoll
Subject: time for a physical?
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something to consider while not bombing Iran
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/sports/playmagazine/0603play-heart.html?ex=1182312000&en=1be4697ae4cea307&ei=5070
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 14:45:53
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: time for a physical?
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On Jun 19, 10:28 am, RonSonic <ronso...@tampabay.rr.com > wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:53:34 -0700, Bill <b...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >datakoll wrote:
> >> life is not one big gamble
> >> read Carmichael and Armstrong's interval training manual and search
> >> for Cooper Air Force excercises. The idea is one does an interval at a
> >> time and doesn't blow out doing it, repitition is the thing, not
> >> extreme stress. Exercising into the next phase of the energy cycle
> >> doesn't require a death act.
> >> available medical tests reduce gambling. Obviously if the heart you
> >> were born, I assume, with is below par then 24 hour enduros, the Race
> >> Across, and the Texas Safari were not meant to be your activity.
> >> This probabbbbly applies to coach potatoes and obese kids, excercise
> >> was not meant to be so the hell with it. Same applies to thinking. A
> >> pig is a pig.
> >> If yawl max or near max at 55+ then yawl can afford an MRI and a check
> >> up.
>
> >You saying that just because I'm 58.7 I should stop doing my suicide
> >runs. Those are the high point of my non-riding days, and sometimes I do
> >them before and after a good ride. Feels good to have the blood pumping
> >hard.
>
> Go right ahead and do them. Just know that there a non-zero probability of a
> fatal cardiac incident within 24 hours of extreme exertion.
>
> The probability of dying in some other way is also non-zero.
>
> Keith Richards has outlived Jim Fixx. But that's okay because he's also rolling
> the same dice (along with a few others).
>
> Ron
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> >> The twilight zone? line at pearly gate. various death dudes. One is a
> >> Philadelphia lawyer, thick limbed and in shape, tight end type, bald!
> >> glasses. He sez to the corpulent fat guy next to him " I can't believe
> >> it! i was doing 10 miles at an hour then four 50 second quarters for
> >> wind sprints and shit I dropped dead'"?
>
> >Jim Fixx? I heard he was way overweight before he got into the running
> >thing so he had a pre-existing stash of cholesterol clogging that the
> >running didn't clear. And 'ouch' he was a baby at only 53.
>
> >> by the way, statistics say good physical condition does not indicate a
> >> longer life span but why gamble right?
>
> >Call me a gambler then. I just read a medical article in a research
> >magazine I subscribe to and it said that calorie restriction to the
> >point of almost malnutrition extended life by almost 2 times in lab
> >rats. How that may extrapolate to humans they didn't have a study for
> >yet, but I will bet it works good with exercise mixed in. 2 years ago I
> >was in that state, riding a lot of metric centuries mixed with hikes to
> >my favorite waterfall, and looked like a POW with big leg muscles, but I
> >felt great. That makes me think there is truth in this.
> >In the wild, as nature intended, maybe food shortages made for longer
> >lifespans so the survivors could mate and make better offspring.
> >Any debaters here?
> >Bill Baka
>
> Ron
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gnaw. the polar meter! slower heart rate following extreme exertion
(as defined by the slower heart rate) probbbaly means you cooked it
and the heart muscle was strained and for the time being not
recovering.
the deal with Woods is more genetic. say you took 100 Woods clones and
put 25 each into varying environments of excercise/good nutrition/
+mental state TO fats/nocercise/-mental state, then we would see
differences in life spans between the groups.
pistol pete, bill bradely,Curtiss/Chapman...
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 13:47:33
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: time for a physical?
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off course, having violated groups rule 7 but balanced by Roberts, we
avoid the penalty box by pointing out most people have positive
attributes and suggest reading
The Night the Bear Ate Goombaw by Patrick F. McManus
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 12:31:39
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: time for a physical?
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icall you an egotistical moron
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 02:37:43
From: datakoll
Subject: Re: time for a physical?
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life is not one big gamble
read Carmichael and Armstrong's interval training manual and search
for Cooper Air Force excercises. The idea is one does an interval at a
time and doesn't blow out doing it, repitition is the thing, not
extreme stress. Exercising into the next phase of the energy cycle
doesn't require a death act.
available medical tests reduce gambling. Obviously if the heart you
were born, I assume, with is below par then 24 hour enduros, the Race
Across, and the Texas Safari were not meant to be your activity.
This probabbbbly applies to coach potatoes and obese kids, excercise
was not meant to be so the hell with it. Same applies to thinking. A
pig is a pig.
If yawl max or near max at 55+ then yawl can afford an MRI and a check
up.
The twilight zone? line at pearly gate. various death dudes. One is a
Philadelphia lawyer, thick limbed and in shape, tight end type, bald!
glasses. He sez to the corpulent fat guy next to him " I can't believe
it! i was doing 10 miles at an hour then four 50 second quarters for
wind sprints and shit I dropped dead'"?
by the way, statistics say good physical condition does not indicate a
longer life span but why gamble right?
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Date: 18 Jun 2007 19:53:34
From: Bill
Subject: Re: time for a physical?
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datakoll wrote:
> life is not one big gamble
> read Carmichael and Armstrong's interval training manual and search
> for Cooper Air Force excercises. The idea is one does an interval at a
> time and doesn't blow out doing it, repitition is the thing, not
> extreme stress. Exercising into the next phase of the energy cycle
> doesn't require a death act.
> available medical tests reduce gambling. Obviously if the heart you
> were born, I assume, with is below par then 24 hour enduros, the Race
> Across, and the Texas Safari were not meant to be your activity.
> This probabbbbly applies to coach potatoes and obese kids, excercise
> was not meant to be so the hell with it. Same applies to thinking. A
> pig is a pig.
> If yawl max or near max at 55+ then yawl can afford an MRI and a check
> up.
You saying that just because I'm 58.7 I should stop doing my suicide
runs. Those are the high point of my non-riding days, and sometimes I do
them before and after a good ride. Feels good to have the blood pumping
hard.
> The twilight zone? line at pearly gate. various death dudes. One is a
> Philadelphia lawyer, thick limbed and in shape, tight end type, bald!
> glasses. He sez to the corpulent fat guy next to him " I can't believe
> it! i was doing 10 miles at an hour then four 50 second quarters for
> wind sprints and shit I dropped dead'"?
Jim Fixx? I heard he was way overweight before he got into the running
thing so he had a pre-existing stash of cholesterol clogging that the
running didn't clear. And 'ouch' he was a baby at only 53.
> by the way, statistics say good physical condition does not indicate a
> longer life span but why gamble right?
>
Call me a gambler then. I just read a medical article in a research
magazine I subscribe to and it said that calorie restriction to the
point of almost malnutrition extended life by almost 2 times in lab
rats. How that may extrapolate to humans they didn't have a study for
yet, but I will bet it works good with exercise mixed in. 2 years ago I
was in that state, riding a lot of metric centuries mixed with hikes to
my favorite waterfall, and looked like a POW with big leg muscles, but I
felt great. That makes me think there is truth in this.
In the wild, as nature intended, maybe food shortages made for longer
lifespans so the survivors could mate and make better offspring.
Any debaters here?
Bill Baka
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 10:28:15
From: RonSonic
Subject: Re: time for a physical?
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On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:53:34 -0700, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net > wrote:
>datakoll wrote:
>> life is not one big gamble
>> read Carmichael and Armstrong's interval training manual and search
>> for Cooper Air Force excercises. The idea is one does an interval at a
>> time and doesn't blow out doing it, repitition is the thing, not
>> extreme stress. Exercising into the next phase of the energy cycle
>> doesn't require a death act.
>> available medical tests reduce gambling. Obviously if the heart you
>> were born, I assume, with is below par then 24 hour enduros, the Race
>> Across, and the Texas Safari were not meant to be your activity.
>> This probabbbbly applies to coach potatoes and obese kids, excercise
>> was not meant to be so the hell with it. Same applies to thinking. A
>> pig is a pig.
>> If yawl max or near max at 55+ then yawl can afford an MRI and a check
>> up.
>
>You saying that just because I'm 58.7 I should stop doing my suicide
>runs. Those are the high point of my non-riding days, and sometimes I do
>them before and after a good ride. Feels good to have the blood pumping
>hard.
Go right ahead and do them. Just know that there a non-zero probability of a
fatal cardiac incident within 24 hours of extreme exertion.
The probability of dying in some other way is also non-zero.
Keith Richards has outlived Jim Fixx. But that's okay because he's also rolling
the same dice (along with a few others).
Ron
>
>> The twilight zone? line at pearly gate. various death dudes. One is a
>> Philadelphia lawyer, thick limbed and in shape, tight end type, bald!
>> glasses. He sez to the corpulent fat guy next to him " I can't believe
>> it! i was doing 10 miles at an hour then four 50 second quarters for
>> wind sprints and shit I dropped dead'"?
>
>Jim Fixx? I heard he was way overweight before he got into the running
>thing so he had a pre-existing stash of cholesterol clogging that the
>running didn't clear. And 'ouch' he was a baby at only 53.
>
>> by the way, statistics say good physical condition does not indicate a
>> longer life span but why gamble right?
>>
>Call me a gambler then. I just read a medical article in a research
>magazine I subscribe to and it said that calorie restriction to the
>point of almost malnutrition extended life by almost 2 times in lab
>rats. How that may extrapolate to humans they didn't have a study for
>yet, but I will bet it works good with exercise mixed in. 2 years ago I
>was in that state, riding a lot of metric centuries mixed with hikes to
>my favorite waterfall, and looked like a POW with big leg muscles, but I
>felt great. That makes me think there is truth in this.
>In the wild, as nature intended, maybe food shortages made for longer
>lifespans so the survivors could mate and make better offspring.
>Any debaters here?
>Bill Baka
Ron
Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 19:23:46
From: Bill
Subject: Re: time for a physical?
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RonSonic wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 19:53:34 -0700, Bill <bbaka@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> datakoll wrote:
>>> life is not one big gamble
>>> read Carmichael and Armstrong's interval training manual and search
>>> for Cooper Air Force excercises. The idea is one does an interval at a
>>> time and doesn't blow out doing it, repitition is the thing, not
>>> extreme stress. Exercising into the next phase of the energy cycle
>>> doesn't require a death act.
>>> available medical tests reduce gambling. Obviously if the heart you
>>> were born, I assume, with is below par then 24 hour enduros, the Race
>>> Across, and the Texas Safari were not meant to be your activity.
>>> This probabbbbly applies to coach potatoes and obese kids, excercise
>>> was not meant to be so the hell with it. Same applies to thinking. A
>>> pig is a pig.
>>> If yawl max or near max at 55+ then yawl can afford an MRI and a check
>>> up.
>> You saying that just because I'm 58.7 I should stop doing my suicide
>> runs. Those are the high point of my non-riding days, and sometimes I do
>> them before and after a good ride. Feels good to have the blood pumping
>> hard.
>
> Go right ahead and do them. Just know that there a non-zero probability of a
> fatal cardiac incident within 24 hours of extreme exertion.
>
> The probability of dying in some other way is also non-zero.
I would think that the probability of dying from being a total couch
potato would be much higher than me giving myself a few minutes a day of
extreme heart work out. Hell, I could get hit by a car walking in an
overcrowded Wal-mart parking lot. Talk about a lot of
distracted/careless drivers.
>
> Keith Richards has outlived Jim Fixx. But that's okay because he's also rolling
> the same dice (along with a few others).
He must be doing so many drugs that diseases are scared off.
Bill Baka
>
> Ron
>
>
>>> The twilight zone? line at pearly gate. various death dudes. One is a
>>> Philadelphia lawyer, thick limbed and in shape, tight end type, bald!
>>> glasses. He sez to the corpulent fat guy next to him " I can't believe
>>> it! i was doing 10 miles at an hour then four 50 second quarters for
>>> wind sprints and shit I dropped dead'"?
>> Jim Fixx? I heard he was way overweight before he got into the running
>> thing so he had a pre-existing stash of cholesterol clogging that the
>> running didn't clear. And 'ouch' he was a baby at only 53.
>>
>>> by the way, statistics say good physical condition does not indicate a
>>> longer life span but why gamble right?
>>>
>> Call me a gambler then. I just read a medical article in a research
>> magazine I subscribe to and it said that calorie restriction to the
>> point of almost malnutrition extended life by almost 2 times in lab
>> rats. How that may extrapolate to humans they didn't have a study for
>> yet, but I will bet it works good with exercise mixed in. 2 years ago I
>> was in that state, riding a lot of metric centuries mixed with hikes to
>> my favorite waterfall, and looked like a POW with big leg muscles, but I
>> felt great. That makes me think there is truth in this.
>> In the wild, as nature intended, maybe food shortages made for longer
>> lifespans so the survivors could mate and make better offspring.
>> Any debaters here?
>> Bill Baka
>
> Ron
>
> Effect pedal demo's up at http://www.soundclick.com/ronsonicpedalry
>
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Date: 19 Jun 2007 01:19:33
From: Bill
Subject: Re: time for a physical?
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datakoll wrote:
> something to consider while not bombing Iran
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/03/sports/playmagazine/0603play-heart.html?ex=1182312000&en=1be4697ae4cea307&ei=5070
>
That is one scary article considering the number of overweight kids from
McJunk food these days, all running around when not playing video games.
Worse yet for us sort of 'over the hill' types who ride and run.
I'm 58, still, and my suicide runs may turn into just that one fine day.
Sprint until barely able to stand, count peak pulse rate, skipping a few
beats here and there, then walk home doing the huff and puff thing.
If a kid gets diagnosed with something like that, it may not just cut
off his sports life, but may cause him to become an overweight and lazy
adult who dies early anyway.
Take your pick.
1. Die young while doing what you enjoy.
2. Live young not enjoying sports and die early from lack of exercise.
3. Do your sports anyway and live a fit and longer life.
It seems like the odds of a kid dying from sports is less of a liability
than banning thousands of kids because they 'might' die, and then they
die young from lack of sports.
Flip a coin. Life is one big gamble.
Bill (amazingly, still here) Baka
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